One God/god. One flag. One country. According to Trump

[gotsnowgotslush]

One God/god.

One flag.

One country.

These are the words Trump used.
Very simple, and very direct.
Except for the fact that these symbols and their connection to and with America is wildly complicated.

Which God/god is Trump promising ?
Which version of that God/god ?

How could we possibly know what is in Trump's mind, about this issue?

One flag.

We have a flag.

But, it represents many things to many people.
Sometimes, people stomp on it, and burn it in protest.

One country.

We were one country when everyone responded to 9/11.

I shudder, to think on what Trump's version of America would look like.

http://www.npr.org/2016/09/18/49436...promise-of-a-nation-under-one-god-really-mean

gsgs comment

I like this flag


Feminist representation goes beyond the band's members. Condoms and tampons sit next to T-shirts and vinyl on the merch table. On Wednesday, Bridge Nine, the band’s record label, released an updated version of the Gadsden flag declaring “Don’t Grab My Pussy” instead of “Don’t Tread on Me.” The tumultuous 2016 election has made their message even more vital.


http://www.newsweek.com/war-women-hardcore-punk-feminism-511714

 

[underguy1]

Pathetic DNC shill.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the same god. So does the Baha'i faith and the Rastafarians. That's like 99% of declared religions.

Most atheists in the west follow 'Christian' values so aside from some Asian, Native American and pagans there should not be that big of an issue. Common themes run between all human philosophies and religions.

He's just pandering to the fundies and Islamophobes.

The one flag may lose him some CSA admirers.

 

[domroger]

Suspect he means the God/King Trump of Trumpsylvania .

 

[sr71plt]

I don't think Trump is acquainted with a god in the religious sense. It's one of the issues that make the evangelicals who support him hypocrites.

 

[BotanyBoy]

So?

At least he wants it to be American.

Unlike most liberals that fucking HATE the USA, it's founding principals and everything it was meant to be.

Not that it matters to most of you being USA hating liberals and all.

 

[sr71plt]

At least he wants it to be American.

Thanks for my afternoon laugh.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Thanks for my afternoon laugh.

Said the corporatist neoLib who doesn't even try to pretend he doesn't want the USA and everything it was supposed to be destroyed.

A laugh indeed LOL!!!

 

[Hard_Rom]

Trumps god is Mammon.

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

"Lügenpresse," shouted Trump supporters.


April 26, 2016

"...alarming Reporters Without Borders report published last week dropped Germany down from 12th to 16th place on its press freedom index. This demotion is due in part to 39 recorded attacks on journalists in 2015, most of which occurred at Pegida rallies and other far-right demonstrations. Pegida leaders have mobilized the Nazi-era rhetoric of lügenpresse, or lying press, to foster conspiracy theories, which lead to growing animosity toward journalists."


http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/blog/freedom-expression-and-religious-tolerance-under-fire-germany


10/24/16

"Lugenpresse," is shouted at American journalists in the media "pen."


http://crooksandliars.com/2016/10/trump-trolls-now-shouting-nazi-slurs


Meanwhile, President Obama is at events speaking in favor of Hillary.

Point well taken, is the fact of the GOP's habit of feeding their base conspiracy theories.

(Trump's fan base enjoys hearing Trump reinforce their belief in conspiracies.)

Obama tore into Trump.

http://www.cleveland.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/10/heres_how_president_obamas_ohi.html


He (President Obama) noted last week's emergence of a 2005 video that featured Trump speaking of women in sexually aggressive terms – "things," Obama said, "that no decent person would even think, much less say, much less brag about." But the president said Republicans knew what they were getting in the New York businessman and reality TV star before nominating him.


"You claim you're the party of family values, and this is the guy you nominate? And stand by and endorse and campaign with? Until finally, at the 11th hour, you withdraw your [endorsement]? You don't get credit for that," Obama said. "You're the party that is tough on foreign policy and opposes Russia, and then you nominate this guy, whose role model is [Russian President] Vladimir Putin, the former head of the KGB? I'm sorry, what happened?"

Obama called GOP rhetoric and conspiracy theories, in this age of Trump, "a swamp of crazy that has been fed over and over and over and over again." He added later: "If you're only agenda is ... crazy based on lies, based on hoaxes, this is the nominee you get."

 

[Legatus]

Real American didn't do anything to anybody, we just want our country back.

 

[CharlieB4]

From my limited reading on early American history the founding fathers were pretty keen to leave God out of the constitution and politics. They thought it created to many conflicts... smart fellows.

 

[Hypoxia]

Real American didn't do anything to anybody, we just want our country back.

Back from whom? We stole it fair and square from native Americans and Mexicans, right? And built it on the backs of slaves. A few recent decades of deregulation have handed it to the corporate masters of both the Dem and GOP elites. How about we take it back from financial pimps like Tromp?

From my limited reading on early American history the founding fathers were pretty keen to leave God out of the constitution and politics. They thought it created to many conflicts... smart fellows.

The founders were certainly aware of religious wars that devastated Europe and Britain. Hey, how about we establish Scientology as the official national religion? That'll be colorful.

 

[1sickbastard]

Back from whom? We stole it fair and square from native Americans and Mexicans, right? And built it on the backs of slaves.

Yeah, let's not forget the "Mexicans" stole their slice from the Spanish who stole it from the Indigenous populations, who themselves had stole land and slaves from their neighbors. Cortez had plenty of native allies who hated the Aztecs with a bloody passion for a reason, and not because Cortez was such an awesome guy either.

 

[Hypoxia]

Yeah, let's not forget the "Mexicans" stole their slice from the Spanish who stole it from the Indigenous populations, who themselves had stole land and slaves from their neighbors.

So conquest is okay? Then you won't mind if my crew comes over and conquers your home.

This doesn't answer my question for Legatus who said, "Real American didn't do anything to anybody, we just want our country back." I asked: Back from whom?

 

[about_average]

So?

At least he wants it to be American.

Unlike most liberals that fucking HATE the USA, it's founding principals and everything it was meant to be.

Not that it matters to most of you being USA hating liberals and all.

Conservative and liberals are pretty even in their disdain for the constitution. They just hate different things about it.
We've even had republican presidential candidates who want a religious test for public office.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Conservative and liberals are pretty even in their disdain for the constitution. They just hate different things about it.
We've even had republican presidential candidates who want a religious test for public office.

The different things they hate about it make a difference.

The conservatives dislike the things that make others use in order to get the government to fuck with them. Almost always over some religious shit.

'Liberals' that aren't really liberal in many ways if any, actively seek the destruction of the country.

They want globalism, everything communal and inclusive.

They view sovereignty, freedom, individualism, individual achievement, self determination and nationalism as all grossly negative things to be discouraged and badmouthed at every turn.

Could not be more anti-American.

 

[1sickbastard]

So conquest is okay? Then you won't mind if my crew comes over and conquers your home.

This doesn't answer my question for Legatus who said, "Real American didn't do anything to anybody, we just want our country back." I asked: Back from whom?

Conquest is a fact. I don't care if one likes reality or not, but one would do well to acknowledge it.

Conquer my home?
With what?
Drum circles?

If you want to try, feel free.

To answer your question: Back from the those who didn't buy into the "Leave it to Beaver", "Father Knows Best" fantasy with which he was indoctrinated.

 

[Hypoxia]

Conquest is a fact. I don't care if one likes reality or not, but one would do well to acknowledge it.

Conquer my home?
With what?
Drum circles?

If you want to try, feel free.

'Conquer' is code for rob, pillage, rape, enslave, etc. That's what conquerors generally do. Weapons are usually involved.

My point is that if you're okay with other folks being conquered, you wouldn't mind it for yourself. Similar to torture. Those in favor of waterboarding should try it themselves.

 

[1sickbastard]

'Conquer' is code for rob, pillage, rape, enslave, etc. That's what conquerors generally do. Weapons are usually involved.

My point is that if you're okay with other folks being conquered, you wouldn't mind it for yourself. Similar to torture. Those in favor of waterboarding should try it themselves.

Really?

Are you in the process of giving your house and property over to the nearest local Tribe?

No?

Guess what, you're actually okay with it too, despite what you tell yourself. The FACT that you live on land that was formerly some indian tribes former territory, by your ACTION, is a statement of how okay you are with it.
Just about everywhere people live, that place belonged to some other people way back when, but doesn't anymore because some other set of people showed up and took possession, more often than not, by right of conquest.


The only real differences are that,
1) I'm not in denial about how people are and how the world works in reality and,
2)I'm not going to beat myself up or assume any guilt over events, people and circumstances that occurred well before I was born and over which I have absolutely zero control.

Reality isn't fair and it doesn't give a shit if we think it's fair, or even if we like it.
Reality just IS.

Am I okay with being "conquered'?
Who's doing the conquering and why?
Am I going to end up in a better or shittier position than I am now?

If I end up better off, then sure, bring it on.
If I think I'm going to end up worse off, I have a choice, don't I?
Fight, flee, or stay put and suck it up.

Again, reality doesn't give a fuck what I do.

I give a fuck, however, about what I do, and I'll do what I think necessary.

Then, one day, my existence will end and reality will (as far as I know) continue on without me.

These are all things with which I've come to terms.

If you want to live in the world of "should be", good for you.
But getting your knickers in a twist over those who are trying to function in the world of reality is on you, not anybody else.

 

[BotanyBoy]

My point is that if you're okay with other folks being conquered, you wouldn't mind it for yourself. Similar to torture. Those in favor of waterboarding should try it themselves.

According to who?

 

[1sickbastard]

According to who?

Her, of course, because her morality certainly can't be limited to just her.
At least not in her world.

 

[Hard_Rom]

The founders were certainly aware of religious wars that devastated Europe and Britain. Hey, how about we establish Scientology as the official national religion? That'll be colorful.

I think the US founding fathers were more concerned with...

English Dissenters were Christians who separated from the Church of England in the 16th, 17th and 18th centuries. A dissenter (from the Latin dissentire, “to disagree”) is one who disagrees in matters of opinion, belief, etc. English Dissenters opposed state interference in religious matters, and founded their own churches, educational establishments, and communities; some emigrated to the New World. They originally agitated for a wide-reaching Protestant Reformation of the Established Church, and triumphed briefly under Oliver Cromwell.

King James VI of Scotland, I of England & Ireland had said "no bishop, no king"; Cromwell capitalised on that phrase, abolishing both upon founding the Commonwealth of England. After the restoration of the monarchy in 1660, the episcopacy was reinstalled and the rights of the Dissenters were limited: the Act of Uniformity 1662 required Anglican ordination for all clergy, and many instead withdrew from the state church. These ministers and their followers came to be known as Nonconformists, though originally this term referred to refusal to use certain vestments and ceremonies of the Church of England, rather than separation from it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Dissenters

The Toleration Act 1689 (1 Will & Mary c 18), also referred to as the Act of Toleration, was an Act of the Parliament of England, which received the royal assent on 24 May 1689.

The Act allowed freedom of worship to nonconformists who had pledged to the oaths of Allegiance and Supremacy and rejected transubstantiation, i.e., Protestants who dissented from the Church of England such as Baptists and Congregationalists but not to Catholics. Nonconformists were allowed their own places of worship and their own teachers, if they accepted certain oaths of allegiance.

It purposely did not apply to Catholics, nontrinitarians and atheists. The Act continued the existing social and political disabilities for Dissenters, including their exclusion from political office and also from universities

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toleration_Act_1689

The Puritans left England after the Reformation. Although they themselves were as intolerant as the Established church, if not more so. These were the folk who closed theaters and cancelled Christmas.

There were also a few founding colonies populated by Catholics. They would certainly have not liked a Protestant established church.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Her, of course, because her morality certainly can't be limited to just her.
At least not in her world.

As is the usual case.

Is it a her or are you just guessing?

How I've always seen it.
https://www.lifezette.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/298216_full.jpg

 

[1sickbastard]

As is the usual case.

Is it a her or are you just guessing?

How I've always seen it.
https://www.lifezette.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/298216_full.jpg

Just a WAG.
Seems to be a "her".
It's like when I interact with transgenders irl. However they want to present, whatever.
It just ain't my skippy.