When one black feminist hates on men, other black feminists take her back a notch.

[LJ_Reloaded]

http://bougieblackgirl.com/question...-fighting-black-men/?replytocom=30229#respond

I am going to tell a truth few in the African-American population want to hear. This is absolutely shameful. I have to ask why are Black women fighting for Black men when they are not doing the same for us? No other community expects the women to protect men. Then I ask what kind of man would want a woman to protect them? Don’t they feel ashamed? What was the result of Black women protesting on behalf of Black men? A Black woman was shot on the streets of Ferguson while marching and no one gave a damn.

Aaaaand one black feminist after another rips holes in her argument.
https://36.media.tumblr.com/35d32fe9370091583a8915ad6c951f71/tumblr_inline_o5eh803UPR1ri344e_540.jpg

and

https://40.media.tumblr.com/1b9ae2da07a8a22cae7a93a720135c5b/tumblr_inline_o5eh80PeT41ri344e_540.jpg

Two feminists say not all black men are like that, and call on the article writer to dial her hate way down. One feminist makes sure to point out her experiences with black men who have fought for black women. They also both state that black women fighting for black men is in fact a good thing. In stating that men need to fight for black women and be taught not to disrespect black women, they're keeping true to their legitimate feminist self-interests, but in all a fair thing to say considering there is an actual problem with black men not supporting black women.

We need feminists like this at the head of the feminist movement.

 

[Sean Renaud]

According to you those are not feminists though.

 

[lovecraft68]

I don't know why a black woman would defend a black man anyway, going by this site they only fuck white women, ever.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I don't know why a black woman would defend a black man anyway, going by this site they only fuck white women, ever.

It's not like you white dudes do them any better. Y'all looking for Asian and foreign women because "they're more obedient." How many black men do you know go looking for foreign brides?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Might be significantly higher if blacks made up more of teh 1%

 

[toubab]

I'm not sure it's still the case, but I recall seeing statistics a few years ago indicating the fastest growing segment of the interracial marriage population in the US was white men/black women. Oh, I also recall reading that group was least likely to get divorced, which ain't a bad thing.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

According to you those are not feminists though.

I never said all feminists were evil. I have posted threads praising good feminists. This being one of many such threads. You just choose to ignore those, except when you remember to post lies like this.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I'm not sure it's still the case, but I recall seeing statistics a few years ago indicating the fastest growing segment of the interracial marriage population in the US was white men/black women. Oh, I also recall reading that group was least likely to get divorced, which ain't a bad thing.

I remember that Stormfront poll, too!

 

[Sean Renaud]

I never said all feminists were evil. I have posted threads praising good feminists. This being one of many such threads. You just choose to ignore those, except when you remember to post lies like this.

No you said specifically that Feminism is evil. That's about like saying you don't think all Nazis are equal.

 

[toubab]

I remember that Stormfront poll, too!

I wasn't talking about a poll, and Stormfront is hardly the place you'd find information about white men and black women getting married and living happily together.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

No you said specifically that Feminism is evil. That's about like saying you don't think all Nazis are equal.

Actually feminazis are more like pogrom Stalinists, not Nazis. Get your history straight.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The analogy stands just fine on it's own. You cannot claim feminism to be evil without defining all of it's members as evil. You're not born a feminist, it isn't forced upon you like race, gender or even religion if we're being perfectly honest. It is something you choose. Or in an ideal society you don't because the very idea that women are not equal should be so bizarre to you that campaigning for equal treatment would be absurd.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

The analogy stands just fine on it's own. You cannot claim feminism to be evil without defining all of it's members as evil.

You know, in a way, highly accomplished Somali feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali has already refuted this ignorant argument. She argues that Islam is a religion of misogyny and oppression (a point which I disagree with) but she supports Muslims who stand against oppression of women and for egalitarian reforms (which I agree with).

Given your intelligence and the limitations that implies, I know this is pretty tough for you to wrap your brain around and all, but I'll explain how that pertains to your one-dimensional argument: feminism is an ideology of jingoistic misandry that often harms women as well as men (such as when it buries the issue of lesbian partner violence under its "domestic violence is a male thing" propaganda), but there are reformist feminists whose take on feminism represents women's rights from an actually egalitarian (aka reformist) perspective.

And that is why you can define feminism as evil while not defining all of its members as evil.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

To add to this:

An ideology can start out bad and have a bad history, but reformists can in fact take the ideology down a better and more wholesome road.

That’s what Martin Luther and John Calvin wanted to do with Catholicism when they started the Protestant reforms.

Also: Of course, Hirsi Ali’s position is that feminism was a good thing that got corrupted.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Oh no , nuance. Not that you've ever shown any capability for that in the past. But without hearing her exact words it sounds like she's insane. Either Islam is evil by definition or it is not and it's that simple.

Nazis are bad, the ideology itself was bad. Hitler didn't twist Nazism into something that it was not, he did not pick and choose the parts of the philosophy that he agreed with and ignore the rest and there aren't (large) groups of Nazis today trying to take it back because that one guy got ti all twisted. There are various white pride groups that don't associate with Hitler and if that was what you were debating it would be interesting.

But no, you post constantly on the evils of feminist. Sorry you don't get to pick ones you like.

 

[Iceprincess12]

the evils of feminist.

Finally we agree on something!! Yes I edited out all the boring stuff

This guy is black? I thought he was an old white guy, haha.

I really hate the term african-american. I'm not African. I'm American.

Hi Sean!

Bisous

 

[Sean Renaud]

Black American is no less specific. And I'm not just American. Anymore than I'm just a Renaud. It's silly to claim otherwise je taime

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

But no, you post constantly on the evils of feminist. Sorry you don't get to pick ones you like.

Oh, yes I do. And most importantly, yes I did. And yes I will. And as for nuance, this thread is just one of many which shows how clueless you are about me. I'm always about nuance. You on the other hand are always about inane assumptions. Your failure to understand the concept of reformism is even more legendary than when you said nonviolent nonparticipation holds the door open for raping women.

As for Hirsi Ali being insane, she's more sane when drunk than you on your most sober day. And, wait for it, she's done far more for women's rights than you ever will.

So let's make a deal, eh? I'll keep talking about the evils of feminism while praising feminist reformers from one thread to another and you keep following me around like a yapping toothless dog. Sound good?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Oh, yes I do. And most importantly, yes I did. And yes I will. And as for nuance, this thread is just one of many which shows how clueless you are about me. I'm always about nuance. You on the other hand are always about inane assumptions. Your failure to understand the concept of reformism is even more legendary than when you said nonviolent nonparticipation holds the door open for raping women.

As for Hirsi Ali being insane, she's more sane when drunk than you on your most sober day. And, wait for it, she's done far more for women's rights than you ever will.

So let's make a deal, eh? I'll keep talking about the evils of feminism while praising feminist reformers from one thread to another and you keep following me around like a yapping toothless dog. Sound good?

Well since I have never and will never do anything significant for women's rights I'm certain that is true. But no, you cannot simply pretend that you don't think feminism is evil when it's convenient. Nobody guys that crap.

I understand the concept of reformism but I'm not certain you do.

Yes we already agreed for you to continue bashing women who dare stand up for their rights while I make certain you never for a second get to think eveyrbody agrees with you.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Well since I have never and will never do anything significant for women's rights I'm certain that is true. But no, you cannot simply pretend that you don't think feminism is evil when it's convenient. Nobody guys that crap.

I understand the concept of reformism but I'm not certain you do.

Yes we already agreed for you to continue bashing women who dare stand up for their rights while I make certain you never for a second get to think eveyrbody agrees with you.

Except I neither believe that everyone agrees with me, nor do I care that they do not. You work hard to make certain of something that is both obvious and also irrelevant to me.

All I care about is that the majority of this country strives for gender equality and also sees feminism as outdated. And that you absolutely will not overcome the majority when that majority also includes women. I am secure in this. Your war with me shows you are threatened by it. That is okay with me.

As such, the message of reformist feminists will thrive while your message is dying, and I will not be pretending to do anything - I will simply do it. What I say, is, and more importantly, what I say, I do.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Except I neither believe that everyone agrees with me, nor do I care that they do not. You work hard to make certain of something that is both obvious and also irrelevant to me.

All I care about is that the majority of this country strives for gender equality and also sees feminism as outdated. And that you absolutely will not overcome the majority when that majority also includes women. I am secure in this. Your war with me shows you are threatened by it. That is okay with me.

As such, the message of reformist feminists will thrive while your message is dying, and I will not be pretending to do anything - I will simply do it. What I say, is, and more importantly, what I say, I do.

These two notions are contrary to each other. If feminism is outdated that is because gender equality has been achieved. Which you clearly believe. Actually you believe women are superior to males (socially) and need to be brought back down.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

These two notions are contrary to each other. If feminism is outdated that is because gender equality has been achieved. Which you clearly believe. Actually you believe women are superior to males (socially) and need to be brought back down.

You're dismissed in this thread. Your stupid arguments will be ignored from here on out.

I'll just talk about reformist feminists from here on out and put you on the shelf.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Oh that's fine, it's not like anybody believes that talking to you accomplishes anything.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I'm gonna scramble everyone's noodle with this one...

Black feminism is a whole lot different from mainstream feminism. They face actual threats like gangster rap culture, black men who openly dismiss even dating black women, intra-racist colorism that mainly targets black women, and marginalization by mainstream feminists.

At the same time black feminists help black men far more than white/mainstream feminists ever help men.

Case in point: Black Girl Nerds ran a charity drive to help a black man make his rent:
https://twitter.com/BlackGirlNerds/status/620933965357154304

 

[Sean Renaud]

I would be interested to see the stats on that. I don't see a sufficient number of IR couples (and I live in SoCal not some bumfuck state) to support the idea that black men in large groups refuse to date black women. Maybe it's true, can't say that it's not. Just I want to see numbers not claims.

As for black feminists helping black men and white feminists not helping white men, well white men (especially if straight and Christian) are the absolute top of the goddamn totem pole. There are of course white males (as in individuals) who need help but white males as a group do not.

Gangsta rap I must go to all the wrong places cus I swear that shit has mostly been dead and forgotten for a while.

None of which is to say I'd trade to be a black woman. NOPE. My sis is a Harvard Lawyer and still catches more crap than I do so not today.