Speak against Trump and the KKK will threaten you

[gotsnowgotslush]

"I am an Austrian refugee from the time of Hitler who has been a US citizen for more than 70 years. I have found some alarming rhetoric coming from Donald Trump that is apparently finding approval from large numbers of my fellow Americans. With Trump’s rather ambiguous response concerning his disavowal of the support of former Klansman David Duke, I have reached my breaking point (“Trump wavers on disavowing ex-KKK member,” Page A2, Feb. 29)."

"We all know the opinions and actions the Ku Klux Klan stands for. Among the fellow Americans the KKK has sought out for its venom are American Jews. Trump’s failure to immediately repudiate Duke chilled my blood."

"I can see myself needing to flee once more and perhaps return to my native country in Europe, where hateful rhetoric is now strictly forbidden and punishable by law."

Louise Mayerson



https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion...ling-threat/9EXOa1212uH6L1F7v32IbO/story.html


Days later, Mayerson said, she received an envelop containing a copy of the KKK symbol that featured a square white cross set against a red backrop. The envelope was postmarked from Boston, she said.

“I believe somebody just read that letter, it touched a nerve, and that’s the way they reacted,” Mayerson said.

Mayerson contacted Arlington police, who are investigating the incident, Chief Frederick Ryan said. He declined to comment on the ongoing investigation.



http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/kkk...ho-fled-the-nazis-after-she-criticizes-trump/



http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/kkk...ho-fled-the-nazis-after-she-criticizes-trump/

gsgs comment-


If anyone would know what is dangerous, it is the survivors of Nazi domination under Hitler.


The Nazi horror ended April 30, 1945, with Adolf Hitler's death

Why are Americans inviting Trump to bring horror into America ?


Trump the Drumpf speaks of his wall.

Trump is old enough to know what happened, after they put up the Berlin Wall.



/end gsgs comment

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

People are starting to gather together, to show Trump that there is no love for him, among people that have the ability to know the difference between a megalomaniac and a world leader.


Dozens of anti-Trump protesters shut down a highway leading to one of the candidate’s rallies outside Phoenix on Saturday, CNN reports. The protesters used their cars and bodies to block cars from traveling on Shea Boulevard near State Route 87 in Fountain Hills, Arizona (which is also the hometown of notorious immigration opponent Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who was at the rally to help introduce Trump). The blockade led to an enormous traffic jam on SR 87 and the delay of the start of the Trump event, according to local TV station Fox10. Police eventually arrived to clear the protesters and called in tow trucks to clear their cars. At least three people were arrested, according to ABC15.



Hundreds of people also protested against Trump on Saturday in New York, marching in Manhattan from Columbus Circle to the Trump Tower on 5th Avenue, and getting into a few scrums with New York Police along the way. The protest resulted in a handful of arrests and one situation where police used pepper spray in an attempt to push back the crowd.



http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/03/anti-trump-protesters-shut-down-arizona-highway.html

 

[JackLuis]

Donald Trump: The candidate as a cancer

Look into the mirror, American. See there the hair that is like a wheat field whipped by the wind; the face that looks like the product of sexual congress between a tuna and a tangerine; the lips pursed in childish imitation of gravitas; the tie that is too bright and too long; the small, dull eyes of a manatee scanning adoring crowds. This is Donald Trump, American. This is you and I.

Trump is the cancerous growth that suddenly alarms so many in the nation, Republican and Democrat alike. Do we deserve this malady? Is it somehow our fault? There must have been symptoms that we missed. There must have been preventative measures we could have taken, cures that would have worked, only it is too late now. America will be made great again, and then she will moan one last time on her gold-plated deathbed, and then she will die.

 

[phrodeau]

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...hed-kicked-donald-trump-rally-arizona-n541991

At the event in Tucson, a man dressed in an American flag shirt and holding a sign showing Trump's face with the slogan "Bad for America," was pulled to the ground by someone in the stands. He was punched at least once and kicked several times before police separated the two men.

Video of the clash also shows a person in a white hood, following behind, delivering what appeared to be a Nazi salute.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Most of us, including myself, say lots of bad things about Trump, such as calling him an asshole or a crook. Has anybody here ever been threatened by violence?

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Most of us, including myself, say lots of bad things about Trump, such as calling him an asshole or a crook. Has anybody here ever been threatened by violence?

Unless you're publishing those things in the Boston Globe with your name and location attached you're probably not going to hear anything, genius.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Trump is not Hitler. He is Mussolini. Not near as evil yet doubly incompetent.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Trump is not Hitler. He is Mussolini. Not near as evil yet doubly incompetent.

Not according to Zeev Hod, a holocaust survivor and History teacher who experienced Hitler's rise to power and escaped the holocaust. The linked article details a conversation between Zeev Hod and his son.

Are Hitler-Trump Comparisons Fair? A Holocaust Survivor Tells His Son


Does he think that Trump was in fact borrowing ideas from “Mein Kampf?”
The short answer is “yes.”

“One of the things people used to say about Hitler when he rose to power in the early 1930’s was that he was saying it like it is,” my dad told me over the phone from Tel Aviv. “They thought he was a bit of a clown, with his big speeches and over-the-top showmanship, but they also admired his ability to say what everyone thought, but didn’t dare say out loud.”
“Are you worried?” I asked.
“Not yet,” he answered. “But there is definitely room for concern.”
...
So, how much does Donald Trump truly resemble Adolf Hitler?

There are slight similarities between the two. But there is a difference. Germany was in much worse shape economically in the ’20s and ’30s. It was still recovering from WWI, having to pay reparations to the Allies. Hitler was able to tap into the Germans’ frustration by zeroing in on an enemy, the Jews. He claimed the Jews were taking over the country, stealing high-paying jobs. He was able to galvanize the uneducated by saying that Jews had stabbed Germany in the back.
...
Can you give me more examples?
Sure. Now that America’s minority population is becoming a majority, Trump is able to tap into that same fear among its disenfranchised. Asking his supporters to raise their hand during his rallies while proclaiming their allegiance to him is eerily reminiscent of Hitler’s Nazi salute, which was meant to inspire loyalty and sympathy towards the regime.

Did Hitler have a lot of fights and scuffles at his rallies?
Absolutely. If anyone dared to heckle Hitler, the S.A. would beat them to a pulp. They were essentially thugs. Not that different from those we see at Trump’s rallies today.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Trump is not Hitler. He is Mussolini. Not near as evil yet doubly incompetent.

Trump is more like Francisco Franco.

Spain was a socialist shithole when Franco took over.

 

[EllieTalbot]

Now, now. Let's try and be a little balanced here, peeps.

Pulling a Godwin is silly when it comes to Trump. He's not Hitlerian. Still, it is appropriate to examine that tumultuous, fascinating era and draw comparisons, and if there's anyone from the 1930's and 40's I think it's fair to compare Trump to, it's a much-loved American president whose primary goal was to overhaul the economy and always put it in terms of making a "deal." The populist who flouted tradition by remaining in office after his second term (I can so see Trump doing something like that if he had the opportunity). Who, once we were in the war, fought it mercilessly and without apology. The guy who perpetrated one of the most shameful, paranoid crimes in US govt history by ripping tens of thousands of American citizens out of their homes, confiscating all they owned, and putting them in camps.

You know, that Roosevelt fella.



http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-the-only-thing-we-have-to-fear-is-fear-itself-franklin-d-roosevelt-157985.jpg



Indeed, Mr. President. Indeed. You were a pretty groovy guy in many respects, and definitely no fascist, but...

Oh, and in tribute to the thread topic, a detail of interest: Roosevelt's first appointee to the Supreme Court was Hugo Black, a lifelong KKK member - and this was back when the KKK was a real presence instead of the laughingstock non-entity it is now, and comprised primarily of Democrats.

Frank about Franklin,
Ellie

 

[RobDownSouth]

I've been re-reading Ian Kershaw's Hitler (the definitive biography of Miles' favorite dictator) and the period of 1930 to 1932 is especially relevant to today's political battle.

The Nazis had a sizeable minority but could not quite control the government (they were thwarted by Bismarck) so they decided to bring the legislature to a halt and not pass ANY bills, reminiscent of today's Republican party.

A series of weak chancellors attempted to bypass the gridlocked Reichstag with a series of executive proclamations, with limited success. When Hitler eventually rose to power, he used the precedent of "executive proclamations" to punish his political enemies.

The parallels are there, folks.

 

[Hard_Rom]

The intensity of evil is not there. Fascist yes but truly evil, no. I doubt we will see death camps under Trump. Concentration camps are a British invention and were used in the US and Canada during WWII for ethnic Japanese citizens. But no intent on using gas chambers.

I suppose it may come down to the difference between 1st degree murder and manslaughter. Still dead but without the evil intent.

Still sticking with the Il Duce comparison. Plus Mussolini was much more clownish than Adolf was. Trump has the clown side down pat.

 

[EllieTalbot]

I've been re-reading Ian Kershaw's Hitler (the definitive biography of Miles' favorite dictator) and the period of 1930 to 1932 is especially relevant to today's political battle.

The Nazis had a sizeable minority but could not quite control the government (they were thwarted by Bismarck) so they decided to bring the legislature to a halt and not pass ANY bills, reminiscent of today's Republican party.

A series of weak chancellors attempted to bypass the gridlocked Reichstag with a series of executive proclamations, with limited success. When Hitler eventually rose to power, he used the precedent of "executive proclamations" to punish his political enemies.

The parallels are there, folks.

Parallels for that kind of thing are everywhere. Legislators attempting to marginalize opponents by essentially paralyzing the legislative process is commonplace throughout history, and so are heads of state who adopt special powers to punish political enemies.

Not seeing the Trump connection, though, since he's never been in legislature and is uninvolved in congressional GOP agendas, and frankly he doesn't strike me as a vendetta kind of guy. He speaks of his opponents dismissively and often with ridicule, but not hostility. It's as if he really does see them as he does enemies in commerce - defeat them on the playing field, and then forget about them. Love him or hate him, it's fun to watch. He's actually playing politics by the politicians' own rules, and still beating the stuffing out them.

Absorbed in Amherst,
Ellie

 

[RUlookingup]

I've been re-reading Ian Kershaw's Hitler (the definitive biography of Miles' favorite dictator) and the period of 1930 to 1932 is especially relevant to today's political battle.

The Nazis had a sizeable minority but could not quite control the government (they were thwarted by Bismarck) so they decided to bring the legislature to a halt and not pass ANY bills, reminiscent of today's Republican party.

A series of weak chancellors attempted to bypass the gridlocked Reichstag with a series of executive proclamations, with limited success. When Hitler eventually rose to power, he used the precedent of "executive proclamations" to punish his political enemies.

The parallels are there, folks.

To Obama

 

[NOIRTRASH]

I've been re-reading Ian Kershaw's Hitler (the definitive biography of Miles' favorite dictator) and the period of 1930 to 1932 is especially relevant to today's political battle.

The Nazis had a sizeable minority but could not quite control the government (they were thwarted by Bismarck) so they decided to bring the legislature to a halt and not pass ANY bills, reminiscent of today's Republican party.

A series of weak chancellors attempted to bypass the gridlocked Reichstag with a series of executive proclamations, with limited success. When Hitler eventually rose to power, he used the precedent of "executive proclamations" to punish his political enemies.

The parallels are there, folks.

He means HINDENBURG rather than Bismarck.

John Toland's bio is the best Hitler bio of all, and its mediocre.

ROB is wrong, of course. The Nazi's were the largest party but less than a plurality in the Reichstag. Most of the political parties were antagonistic to each other, Stalin, for example, forbade his communists cooperating with social democrats. Hindenburg hated Hitler but Hitler wouldn't form a viable government until Hindenburg made him Chancellor.

 

[RUlookingup]

He means HINDENBURG rather than Bismarck.

John Toland's bio is the best Hitler bio of all, and its mediocre.

ROB is wrong, of course. The Nazi's were the largest party but less than a plurality in the Reichstag. Most of the political parties were antagonistic to each other, Stalin, for example, forbade his communists cooperating with social democrats. Hindenburg hated Hitler but Hitler wouldn't form a viable government until Hindenburg made him Chancellor.

They gave him the Chancellorship to shut him up. Little did they know.

 

[phrodeau]

The intensity of evil is not there. Fascist yes but truly evil, no. I doubt we will see death camps under Trump. Concentration camps are a British invention and were used in the US and Canada during WWII for ethnic Japanese citizens. But no intent on using gas chambers.

I suppose it may come down to the difference between 1st degree murder and manslaughter. Still dead but without the evil intent.

Still sticking with the Il Duce comparison. Plus Mussolini was much more clownish than Adolf was. Trump has the clown side down pat.

Oh then, that's no big deal. Only encamp people and not gas them. Totally American Christian thing to so.

 

[Hypoxia]

Still sticking with the Il Duce comparison. Plus Mussolini was much more clownish than Adolf was. Trump has the clown side down pat.

I was going to say, "Don't diss the clowns! The president of Guatemala is a clown! And Guatemalans lock up old presidents for corruption!" Then I checked up on Pres. Jimmy Morales.

"Morales rose to fame as a TV comedian, starring in the series Moralejas ("Morals") alongside his brother Sammy." Then he took over a right-wing party and moved up big-time. "His success was viewed as a sign of the distrust of many Guatemalans towards the traditional political elite." He's an evangelical, pro-death penalty, nationalist, anti-abortion, and denies the ethnic genocides of previous regimes. "His slogan is 'Neither corrupt nor a thief' (Ni corrupto, ni ladrón)." He claims he can't be bought.

Does any of this sound familiar?

BTW I consider Guatemalan politics much cleaner and more honest than in USA. The dynamics are quite different in a small, densely-populated nation with dozens of distinct ethnic groups, many not literate in the official language. Each community, party, and candidate have their own graphic logo; it's very visual politics. Images painted on walls in town tell you who's there.

 

[sr71plt]

It's hard to say what Trump would really do about anything. He's hazy on details and what he gives he can change in the space of three minutes. He's a congenital liar with zero experience in anything but sucking businesses dry to fill his own bank account and ego. The most beneficial thing he's done in this campaign is personally pay a large part of his campaign bill, which gets the money out of his Cayman Island accounts and back into the U.S. economy.

 

[about_average]

I can't imagine Trump (who wants a 25+ billion dollar wall, wants to ban all muslims, including US citizens (though he's sorta backtracked on the last part) and doesn't seem concerned about using nukes against Daesh) uttering "The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself".

Actually, I guess I can, since he has no problem making statements that contradict other things he says.

My favorite is maybe from last year, his apparent belief that they don't have rope in Mexico.

 

[renard_ruse]

Oh yes, the people attacking and demonizing Trump are the victims.

BTW, there's no such thing as the KKK in 2016 America.

Idiot.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Oh then, that's no big deal. Only encamp people and not gas them. Totally American Christian thing to so.

Driving out UEL, reservations for natives, ghettos for blacks, camps for Japanese. Par for the course. Probably overdue for a good taste of fascist intolerance.

 

[RUlookingup]

It's hard to say what Trump would really do about anything. He's hazy on details and what he gives he can change in the space of three minutes. He's a congenital liar with zero experience in anything but sucking businesses dry to fill his own bank account and ego. The most beneficial thing he's done in this campaign is personally pay a large part of his campaign bill, which gets the money out of his Cayman Island accounts and back into the U.S. economy.

And Hillary is honest?

 

[about_average]

Oh yes, the people attacking and demonizing Trump are the victims.

BTW, there's no such thing as the KKK in 2016 America.

Idiot.

http://www.kkkknights.com/
http://www.texaskkk.com/
http://kkk.com (appears to be down at the moment, maybe due to Anonymous, but you can see it here: kkk.com February 2016 archive

From last year (yes, I know it's not 2016, I'm sure they've disbanded)
http://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_full/public/article_images/kkk.jpg?itok=fKlLoohe

Here's one from this year

http://www.billionairesnewswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/2016-02-28T060323Z_1_LOP000HVG68HB_RTRMADP_BASEIMAGE-960X540_CALIFORNIA-KLAN.jpg

I do agree with how you signed your post with "Idiot"

 

[sr71plt]

And Hillary is honest?

Pretty much, yes, in comparison with other choices. You've bitten on the swiftboating. I'm not a bit surprised.

She certainly is the most honest in the campaign rhetoric on what a president can do--which is what counts with me on those running for that office.

If you haven't caught on that Trump is a pathological liar, you've been hiding out in a cave.