Does this break the 18+ rule?

[thisismessedup]

I've contemplated something along the Monstergirl concept. In material others have written the MG counterpart to the Amazon warrior (called the Amazoness for some reason), on capturing a mate, forcibly has her way with him in front of the rest of the tribe- the potentially squicky part (if what I already written isn't squicky enough for you) is that the 'rest of the tribe' includes Amazoness daughters who have yet to take on rites of adulthood (mainly involves capturing an aforementioned mate for themselves) .

They DO NOT, repeat DO NOT participate, they merely observe. If this is still going too far someone let me know; I'd hate to submit a chapter that couldn't be posted.

 

[sr71plt]

What's said about them as they observe, and what reason is given for them to observe?

Observing sexual acts is called voyeurism. It's a sexual act.

 

[PennLady]

It's possible that it might work IF the underage character(s) is not the one(s) describing what's going on. Since you can write that "I lost my virginity at 16," without any details, you might be able to simply have someone observe that there are under-18s there.

That said, I emphasize that you should check with Laurel about that.

 

[RelentlessOnanism]

I've never entirely understood this thing about everyone having to be over 18 in Literotica stories. The age of consent in most western countries is lower than 18, and it's hardly paedophilia if a character was 17 or 16 (or even 15 for that matter).

Anyway, rape is illegal, incest is illegal, and yet there are hundreds of stories depicting them in graphic detail. But god forbid a character is 17, the sky falls in and the world ends. Seems a weird double standard.

(Can I just say, I'm not advocating stories involving children, that's not my thing at all. I'd just like a semblance of common sense.)

 

[Bramblethorn]

I've never entirely understood this thing about everyone having to be over 18 in Literotica stories. The age of consent in most western countries is lower than 18, and it's hardly paedophilia if a character was 17 or 16 (or even 15 for that matter).

Anyway, rape is illegal, incest is illegal, and yet there are hundreds of stories depicting them in graphic detail. But god forbid a character is 17, the sky falls in and the world ends. Seems a weird double standard.

(Can I just say, I'm not advocating stories involving children, that's not my thing at all. I'd just like a semblance of common sense.)

This gets discussed on the forums about once a fortnight. Short version: Laurel and Manu's site, they get to set the rules.

(BTW, not everybody has to be over 18; only the ones involved in sexyfuntimes.)

 

[lovecraft68]

I'd just like a semblance of common sense.)

Then this isn't the place for you to be. Nothing makes sense here. Lit is a business that is run like a club house based on loose rules that are enforced via favoritism, whim and mood to go along with a 'whatever' attitude when it comes to even the functionality of the site.

Having said that whatever guidelines are provided I abide by as there isn't a lot of restrictions and I don't feel the need to test how many get rejected against how many fly right through regardless of what is in it(like an 11 year old being raped and passing through last year)

It's a fun site to read and write on and I enjoy it as such, but of you're looking for anything resembling real rules and professionalism it falls way short.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

I've never entirely understood this thing about everyone having to be over 18 in Literotica stories. The age of consent in most western countries is lower than 18, and it's hardly paedophilia if a character was 17 or 16 (or even 15 for that matter).

Anyway, rape is illegal, incest is illegal, and yet there are hundreds of stories depicting them in graphic detail. But god forbid a character is 17, the sky falls in and the world ends. Seems a weird double standard.

(Can I just say, I'm not advocating stories involving children, that's not my thing at all. I'd just like a semblance of common sense.)

It's a weird double standard but it's a permanent part of the site, as per the dictates of the owners. Everyone's got lines on "what's going too far" and we all draw them in different places. This line is Laurel's, it dictates what can be here, and it's immovable.

Your problem is solved if you simply don't mention which part of the community watches. Why is that important? If there's some sort of myth you are trying to stay true to, people who know the myth will infer that all females are present. Other people won't care. So there's no need to mention it.

 

[PennLady]

I've never entirely understood this thing about everyone having to be over 18 in Literotica stories. The age of consent in most western countries is lower than 18, and it's hardly paedophilia if a character was 17 or 16 (or even 15 for that matter).

This does get discussed a lot, as noted. It's not about what happens IRL. It's about the rules on this site. There aren't many, and things do slip through but Laurel has stated her reasons on this (some else probably has a link to it) but the bottom line is: this is a private site and this is the line they have chosen to set.

Anyway, rape is illegal, incest is illegal, and yet there are hundreds of stories depicting them in graphic detail. But god forbid a character is 17, the sky falls in and the world ends. Seems a weird double standard.

There are some other limits on here, such as bestiality. And I know it's a gray area, but in terms of non-consent stories, the victim is supposed to enjoy it at some point. So ideally, stories where someone is raped and the rape is there to be sexually arousing are not permitted. "Snuff" scenes are also not permitted; i.e., there are not supposed to be scenes where someone is killed in order to sexually stimulate the reader. Again, things slip through, I'm not saying they don't.

(Can I just say, I'm not advocating stories involving children, that's not my thing at all. I'd just like a semblance of common sense.)

It's not even a matter of common sense. it's just the rule. There are other sites that don't have this rule, so if you feel that something is necessary in your story but is against Lit's rules, you can always post there.

 

[oggbashan]

The Lit rule is that no one has sex before their 18th birthday.

There should be no description of physical characteristics that suggest that a character looks under 18.

Characters can be under 18 but do not participate, nor describe, any sexual activity.

It is one of the few rules on a private site.

BUT - my view - Literotica is based in the US. There are many campaigning organisations in the US that would love to close down ANY erotic site. The 'no sex before 18' rule helps to keep Literotica off the hit list. It makes good sense to have such a rule in the USA.

There are some stories posted on Literotica that breach the rule. It is in all our interests to report any stories we find that do break the rules because we want Literotica to continue.

If you want to write stories that break the 18 rule, or try to get around the rule, please post them on another site.

 

[RelentlessOnanism]

Oh well, rules are rules I suppose, even if sometimes they're a bit daft.

 

[robertreams]

In many south American countries, the age of sexual consent is 12.

 

[Jose_Rick]

In many south American countries, the age of sexual consent is 12.

Now that's daft.

 

[Tigersman]

In many south American countries, the age of sexual consent is 12.

Having sex at that young age increases the chances for a girl to develop cervical or uterine cancer early.

 

[Handley_Page]

I've never entirely understood this thing about everyone having to be over 18 in Literotica stories. The age of consent in most western countries is lower than 18, and it's hardly paedophilia if a character was 17 or 16 (or even 15 for that matter).

Anyway, rape is illegal, incest is illegal, and yet there are hundreds of stories depicting them in graphic detail. But god forbid a character is 17, the sky falls in and the world ends. Seems a weird double standard.

(Can I just say, I'm not advocating stories involving children, that's not my thing at all. I'd just like a semblance of common sense.)

As mentioned, this is a regular question asked.
If I understood it right, the reason is that aged 18 is well clear of ANY internal (State) rules wherever they are in the Union.
This, despite reports of a girl being a mother at 13 or whatever.
But the Rules are the Rules. They don't have to make sense to everybody.

 

[karaline]

In many south American countries, the age of sexual consent is 12.

Really?

 

[Hypoxia]

Really?

No. Age of consent (with restrictions) in Argentina is 13; in some Mexican states it's as low as 12; in most of the rest of the Americas it's at least 14-16. See this Wikipedia article and also this one.

Again, legalities in whatever jurisdiction are irrelevant. Laurel and Manu's site runs on their rules and that's that.

* No explicit sexual activity (including voyeurism and fantasies) involving normal humans appearing to be under 18 (but nonhumans can get a pass).
* No explicit human sex with normal animals (but fantasy animals are okay).
* No rape or non-consensual sex unless the victim eventually likes it.
* No snuff (death for sexual titillation) or sensual self-mutilation.

These rules aren't about acts which may be illegal somewhere like same-sex, oral-genital, anal, unmarried sex, prostitution -- and murder, kidnapping, drug use, robbery-burglarly-theft, blackmail, and all the other fun little plot points we throw into stories. Laws vary from place to place. LIT's rules are global.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

You know what I really hate? When someone comes over to my house to play...let's say pool. Then suddenly they don't like the rules and want to, well really insist we play by their rules. Guess who has my boot up their ass as they go flying through the door to the outside?

Someone else's house, follow their rules. Otherwise, leave. There are plenty of sites that allow what you want to do...go there.

 

[Hypoxia]

Someone else's house, follow their rules. Otherwise, leave. There are plenty of sites that allow what you want to do...go there.

The perfect alt.sex.stories tale would involve ass-ripping snuff of underage orangutans. That's about as un-LIT as we can get. Bedtime for Bonzo...

 

[JaxRhapsody]

This does get discussed a lot, as noted. It's not about what happens IRL. It's about the rules on this site. There aren't many, and things do slip through but Laurel has stated her reasons on this (some else probably has a link to it) but the bottom line is: this is a private site and this is the line they have chosen to set.



There are some other limits on here, such as bestiality. And I know it's a gray area, but in terms of non-consent stories, the victim is supposed to enjoy it at some point. So ideally, stories where someone is raped and the rape is there to be sexually arousing are not permitted. "Snuff" scenes are also not permitted; i.e., there are not supposed to be scenes where someone is killed in order to sexually stimulate the reader. Again, things slip through, I'm not saying they don't.



It's not even a matter of common sense. it's just the rule. There are other sites that don't have this rule, so if you feel that something is necessary in your story but is against Lit's rules, you can alays post there.

This is why I say this stuff should be stickied on top of certain areas, so people stop bitching about it.

No persons under 18 present during any kind of sex act.

No necrophilia- excluding zombies, vampire, whatever.

No beastiality- excluding werecreatures, aliens, or whatever.

It's really that simple.

 

[JaxRhapsody]

The Lit rule is that no one has sex before their 18th birthday.

There should be no description of physical characteristics that suggest that a character looks under 18.

Characters can be under 18 but do not participate, nor describe, any sexual activity.

It is one of the few rules on a private site.

BUT - my view - Literotica is based in the US. There are many campaigning organisations in the US that would love to close down ANY erotic site. The 'no sex before 18' rule helps to keep Literotica off the hit list. It makes good sense to have such a rule in the USA.

There are some stories posted on Literotica that breach the rule. It is in all our interests to report any stories we find that do break the rules because we want Literotica to continue.

If you want to write stories that break the 18 rule, or try to get around the rule, please post them on another site.

Right, this site is near as old as the internet itself, so the rules must work. There are other sites, some jhst as old, but aren't as good, don't actually get as much coverage, as this one. If you want to know all you can know on Fords Panther platform, you go to CrownVic.net, if you want to post your writings online, you come to Lit. If one is lucky to be on a leading website, just do whatever to stay there, with the best of the best.

I also think one of the other rules is to not mention other writing sites, plus I believe they auto censor, anyway.

 

[electric1]

In your story, why do the daughters have to observe? Just remove them from the scene and you're good.

If they're there because you think it's a turn-on to have sex observed by children, then it certainly does violate the spirit of the rule.

 

[oggbashan]

In your story, why do the daughters have to observe? Just remove them from the scene and you're good.

If they're there because you think it's a turn-on to have sex observed by children, then it certainly does violate the spirit of the rule.

I've found myself with a similar problem in a story I'm currently writing. I have child characters as an essential part of the plot but a sex scene is coming and I have to find a convenient ploy to get the children off-stage at that point.

 

[emap]

Ahem as far as the non consent rule goes, the victim enjoys or the rape is not the extent of the story. As in a woman is beat down and raped at the beginning and then later on finds love. That will be posted, I know I've done it.

Snuff is killing for the sexual thrill, not posted. Death happening after the sex, as in man breaks in and finds woman blindfolded so does her and then kills at the very end, was posted maybe still is.

For the purpose of the story mentioned that is being worked on. Don't mention how old the women watching are. Simply describe them as those who have not found a man yet watching and will be posted. The reader can picture whatever they want but it is not spelled out in the story.

Granted it is sort of sidestepping the rule, but not all in one. It is sidestepping because those watching are not over 18. It is not because the rule is no one under 18 is involved in sex unless it is things like I lost my virginity at 13 and kept screwing him or her for three years. The underage are not engaging in sex because they are not described that way.

The rule isn't saying nobody gets laid until they are legal adults. The rule is nothing is spelled out that they are engaging in graphic sex until 18. Most don't seem to follow that part.

 

[Hypoxia]

ObTopic: The 18+ rule is both strict and fluid. No explicit sex involving minors, although they can report on having sex. "Legal marriage age in Maine was 13; she already squirted out the twins before her 14th birthday" is okay. "He slid into his 13-year-old wife's smooth snatch" is not. Minors cannot view explicit sex and others may not think of them sexually. "13-year-old Lily watched Mom and Dad fuck" and "He longed for her just-sprouting pussy" are not okay. And age alone isn't determining. Millennia-old immortals who look like prepubescent humans can't have sex here.

Some authors *do* try to slip in underage sex by calling the players (usually girls) 18 but describing them as younger. That sucks. One of the TOP-rated LIT Group Sex series features a bunch of "high-school seniors" including two hot sisters, one of whom acts and talks as if her pubic hairs only arrived a year ago. The 18+ rule isn't strictly broken but it sure is bent. I won't report it but I also won't emulate it. (If anything, I write my 18-year-olds as too mature emotionally. I'll get a better handle on that as my grandkids age.)

We don't need tales of underage sex. Adults are funny enough when fucking.

 

[Real_American6]

Now that's daft.

Why? Less than 300 years ago a 12 year old boy and girl would already be starting a family and working their farmland...

A 12 year old boy could be expected to work in a factory, mine, farm, ranch, or eve learning a trade like masonry, clock repair, tailoring, etc. Hell how old were some drummer boys and color bearers in wars?

Now we expect people to be treated like children into their early 30s...

While fat, dumb, lazy, and entitled children in the 'West' play video games and scream at their mothers for more soda over X-Box Live... there are children in Africa carrying water to their village from a well 10 miles away or wielding AK-47s for a warlord somewhere!