The Taboo cafe (discuss incest related stories here)

[lovecraft68]

I don't see the need to sidestep the taboo on a porn site where you can really write about sex and even incest. Unless it is an artistic choice or something.

This is how I feel. We're on a site that allows full blown incest stories-as long as they are over 18- so there is no need to play coy with 'themes'.

In the example give by CF my take is either let the daughter jump in as she is so obviously turned on by seeing daddy get laid she may as well and put it in incest

or leave the daughter off at the door, she sets dad up, smiles knowingly that her dad is in for a hot time and wander off, leaving it in group sex or mature.

But...I used the word coy, now I'll use ploy. The story can appeal to those who still deny that incest turns them on so in that case the author pandered to 'closet' incest fans who can't pull the trigger and read an outright incest story, but they can get some of the 'flavor' and say "Hey, it wasn't really incest"

On one hand it surprises me people deny their kinks like that on an anonymous site, but then again many are raised to 'know better' especially if the ugly head of religion was reared in their upbringing. Self denial is a waste of time

Unless of course we're talking actual crime and reading a fictional story is not a crime

 

[SecondCircle]

This is how I feel. We're on a site that allows full blown incest stories-as long as they are over 18- so there is no need to play coy with 'themes'.

In the example give by CF my take is either let the daughter jump in as she is so obviously turned on by seeing daddy get laid she may as well and put it in incest

or leave the daughter off at the door, she sets dad up, smiles knowingly that her dad is in for a hot time and wander off, leaving it in group sex or mature.

But...I used the word coy, now I'll use ploy. The story can appeal to those who still deny that incest turns them on so in that case the author pandered to 'closet' incest fans who can't pull the trigger and read an outright incest story, but they can get some of the 'flavor' and say "Hey, it wasn't really incest"

On one hand it surprises me people deny their kinks like that on an anonymous site, but then again many are raised to 'know better' especially if the ugly head of religion was reared in their upbringing. Self denial is a waste of time

Unless of course we're talking actual crime and reading a fictional story is not a crime

I'm unsure how we can assume motive in anything anyone else writes.

One could easily look at any story written by anyone and "find" similar motives such as you have described. Stories may seem wierd to us but that doesn't necessarily mean someone teased at incest for reasons of "coy" or "ploy".

And on "coy"... why should it really matter if someone chooses not to go full blown incest? Maybe they just like flirting with the taboo. Maybe the full thing is too much for them. Who honestly knows, but just because we have the freedom to post full blown incest doesn't mean everyone wants to go all out. Perhaps some of these things are mere fantasy for them, these scenarios in question. Maybe those "coy" scenarios ARE their kink. I say let them write what makes them happy. And I say I do not rate to assume "why" exactly someone wrote something.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Very true. I agree with you. I guess Incest just stands out because that is such a driving force. It's A/Not-A at the same time. There's always that sub-text of a truly Taboo thing which can never ever be depicted . . .

But now we're getting into Erotic Horror.

But that's not exclusive to incest. That's true of a lot of fictional stories. One could depict gruesome murder in a story while they would never actually partake in that action in real life, nor cheer for those actual acts. A person could write murder all day. Do you think they'd write about the murder of the people closest to them? Ah, let's hope not. That's when things get all squicky.

Just so, you can pen a story that's NOT murder, but actually, it is.

Keep in mind much of what happens in stories here is fantasy. Incest is still a major tension point, being that many are drawn to it and just as many are repulsed. I think some people want to keep some things in fantasy land.

I do think you're right about one thing though. Whether it's a kink of buried attraction to your actual family, or you just write about "a mom, a dad" and not "my mom, my dad", family is family. It qualifies as incest.

 

[lovecraft68]

I'm unsure how we can assume motive in anything anyone else writes.

One could easily look at any story written by anyone and "find" similar motives such as you have described. Stories may seem wierd to us but that doesn't necessarily mean someone teased at incest for reasons of "coy" or "ploy".

And on "coy"... why should it really matter if someone chooses not to go full blown incest? Maybe they just like flirting with the taboo. Maybe the full thing is too much for them. Who honestly knows, but just because we have the freedom to post full blown incest doesn't mean everyone wants to go all out. Perhaps some of these things are mere fantasy for them, these scenarios in question. Maybe those "coy" scenarios ARE their kink. I say let them write what makes them happy. And I say I do not rate to assume "why" exactly someone wrote something.

I'm expressing my opinion not saying how to write, but for my own tastes I'm not one to play at or around something I'll avoid it or go all in.

And Of course we use ploys or devices or whatever you want to refer to them as. What's the point of writing here? To get reads to get opinions to get people to like our stuff.

Now numbers mean different things to different people. For some crappy numbers but a couple of really good remarks are enough to make them happy with their story. Someone got it and that's the thrill

Others are very numbers oriented and for them, tossing in some Pseudo incest to go along with an already popular premise is an assurance to score some extra readers, but not so much you would send the original crowd running. Its the non alcoholic beer theory, look its beer, but no worry of being drunk

And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, if it works go for it. I've tossed things into stories with the thought of "Oh, this will give them exactly what they want" other stories I just simply do whatever the hell I want.

BDSM in incest? That's a bad combo, but I wrote a 45 chapter series involving them, that's the opposite effect, two kinks that in general have audiences that run from each other. Showed in the numbers but it was my story my way.

And I'll preface this with saying I'm enjoying the debate here and not looking to drag it down into something else, but I'll make a quick point.

We know who were' talking about here. That person is the most numbers oriented person I've ever talked to here(short of reject reality, who is a damn machine) and knows exactly how to strike sweet spots and draw max readership as proven by some pretty damn gaudy numbers here.

So knowing that and seeing evidence of it in e-mail exchanges and posts here, but mostly off lit, when I see a story like that I know it was a deliberate device to draw more readers and it was a contest entry so that mattered.

That author is huge in mature and Incest and group. So what if they could combine all three in one story? But where to back off and where to place? Incest? No good, there is no 'real' incest.

Group? Nope, daughter involved to that level would squick. Mature? Oh, yeah because seeing mature involves a lot of age play there are a lot of mommy daddy figures there and mother in law and father in law stories, even some step mom step dad stuff.

It could have been group with the daughter not being around for the sex, could have been incest if she jumps in, but that would have limited the audience to one cat or the other. So her being involved but not directly hit all the spots.

Which was the intent from the start in that case and I say that again by knowing this is a person who has spent a lot of time on what works and does not and has how to's about it.

Oh, and tossing in multiple barely legals to swarm over a middle aged average to slightly loserry guy and have them act like mindless idiotic sluts panders to the male audience here who think that's how all women should act in their 15 year old boy fantasies they are still stuck in and that audience is vast here. Strong female characters draw a different audience and it seems a smaller one so one more point in a 'let's max this' strategy.

Anything wrong with it? No at all, but my point is the words Ploy, pander, manipulate can all fit.

After awhile we know what works and does not. I'm not as gung ho as they are, but I do have that process in a sense and I'll give an example.

My winter story "All I want for Christmas is mom" I knew would hit huge. Had all the ingredients necessary. Lot of turmoil, lot of 'love' from mom etc...

The numbers bore out I was dead on. Over 2400 votes 90+ comments, 4.80 score

But here's something else. IN the middle of the story I threw in a speed bump for the happy go lucky incest crowd.

Dad finds out the son is jerking off to dirty pictures of mom the kid copied from him. Instead of incest absurdity where dad high fives him and wants him to join in, I had dad flip out to the tune of smacking the kid a couple times and telling him he was going to throw him out.

I looked at that scene and thought if I take it out I can add points to the score. I know that pissed people off, not many, but enough to draw some 1-4 votes and bring me down. It finished 4.80 maybe could have gone higher who knows. So point is in that instance I knew exactly what I was doing and chose the route of my story over readership, but in other instances I have gone full on 'happy happy' which isn't always my thing as you know.

So the only thing I am saying is its not wrong to do everything possible to 'nail' it for as many readers as possible, but its not wrong to see it as such either.

 

[lovecraft68]

Keeping with what is and isn't incest. Here's a fun example. I was chatting witha few authors on skype-off lit authors, from the Carnal Pleasures publishing house-there were five of us, three men two women.

I posed this scenario.

Mother/daughter have sex with the same guy same time, but no contact, no touching each other, kissing each other, holding each other, just two women fucking/sucking the same guy, but never so much as a kiss between them and no 'cock sharing' where their lips are touching as they both blow at the same time.

Incest or not?

All said incest.

Why?

The general answer was they were naked in front of each other and fucking the same guy regardless of contact its a huge line to cross and pretty much incest.

Okay.

Next question Father/son have sex with the same girl, again no contact between them, but they're fucking her same time.

Incest?

No No no no! I get.

Why not?

The typical homophobic double standard that two women together is 'lez' but two guys never!!!!

That's the answer, but I asked for another explanation and couldn't get one, it just wasn't in that case.

The one female writer provided the only good point with the mother/daughter and t would depend how I wrote it. If there was a point where th guy is fucking mom and he pulls out and the daughter sucks him or other way around, they're tasting each other and that could be seen as incest. If I wrote that as not happening then back to square one.

Probably more of an opinion thing than there being a right answer, but the bi male or homosexual double standard always makes me laugh.

 

[SecondCircle]

I'm expressing my opinion not saying how to write, but for my own tastes I'm not one to play at or around something I'll avoid it or go all in.

And Of course we use ploys or devices or whatever you want to refer to them as. What's the point of writing here? To get reads to get opinions to get people to like our stuff.

Now numbers mean different things to different people. For some crappy numbers but a couple of really good remarks are enough to make them happy with their story. Someone got it and that's the thrill

Others are very numbers oriented and for them, tossing in some Pseudo incest to go along with an already popular premise is an assurance to score some extra readers, but not so much you would send the original crowd running. Its the non alcoholic beer theory, look its beer, but no worry of being drunk

And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, if it works go for it. I've tossed things into stories with the thought of "Oh, this will give them exactly what they want" other stories I just simply do whatever the hell I want.

BDSM in incest? That's a bad combo, but I wrote a 45 chapter series involving them, that's the opposite effect, two kinks that in general have audiences that run from each other. Showed in the numbers but it was my story my way.

And I'll preface this with saying I'm enjoying the debate here and not looking to drag it down into something else, but I'll make a quick point.

We know who were' talking about here. That person is the most numbers oriented person I've ever talked to here(short of reject reality, who is a damn machine) and knows exactly how to strike sweet spots and draw max readership as proven by some pretty damn gaudy numbers here.

So knowing that and seeing evidence of it in e-mail exchanges and posts here, but mostly off lit, when I see a story like that I know it was a deliberate device to draw more readers and it was a contest entry so that mattered.

That author is huge in mature and Incest and group. So what if they could combine all three in one story? But where to back off and where to place? Incest? No good, there is no 'real' incest.

Group? Nope, daughter involved to that level would squick. Mature? Oh, yeah because seeing mature involves a lot of age play there are a lot of mommy daddy figures there and mother in law and father in law stories, even some step mom step dad stuff.

It could have been group with the daughter not being around for the sex, could have been incest if she jumps in, but that would have limited the audience to one cat or the other. So her being involved but not directly hit all the spots.

Which was the intent from the start in that case and I say that again by knowing this is a person who has spent a lot of time on what works and does not and has how to's about it.

Oh, and tossing in multiple barely legals to swarm over a middle aged average to slightly loserry guy and have them act like mindless idiotic sluts panders to the male audience here who think that's how all women should act in their 15 year old boy fantasies they are still stuck in and that audience is vast here. Strong female characters draw a different audience and it seems a smaller one so one more point in a 'let's max this' strategy.

Anything wrong with it? No at all, but my point is the words Ploy, pander, manipulate can all fit.

After awhile we know what works and does not. I'm not as gung ho as they are, but I do have that process in a sense and I'll give an example.

My winter story "All I want for Christmas is mom" I knew would hit huge. Had all the ingredients necessary. Lot of turmoil, lot of 'love' from mom etc...

The numbers bore out I was dead on. Over 2400 votes 90+ comments, 4.80 score

But here's something else. IN the middle of the story I threw in a speed bump for the happy go lucky incest crowd.

Dad finds out the son is jerking off to dirty pictures of mom the kid copied from him. Instead of incest absurdity where dad high fives him and wants him to join in, I had dad flip out to the tune of smacking the kid a couple times and telling him he was going to throw him out.

I looked at that scene and thought if I take it out I can add points to the score. I know that pissed people off, not many, but enough to draw some 1-4 votes and bring me down. It finished 4.80 maybe could have gone higher who knows. So point is in that instance I knew exactly what I was doing and chose the route of my story over readership, but in other instances I have gone full on 'happy happy' which isn't always my thing as you know.

So the only thing I am saying is its not wrong to do everything possible to 'nail' it for as many readers as possible, but its not wrong to see it as such either.

Aye, but not everyone that writes at Lit focuses on "gaining more reads from X audience by doing Y". Sure all writers pen and post stuff to share, to please audiences, but it sounds like you're suggesting everything they include is a calculated move to garner more favor among readers.

When I write, I wanna make it so that readers can enjoy it. I want it to be "good". But I don't necessarily leave out or include certain things just to appeal to whoever. Often I just write what I like. And the readers that like it will find it. I mean, if someone wrote slobbering sluts, just because you or I don't like that stereotype doesn't mean the writer wrote that for nefarious intentions of pandering to a larger audience. It could just be that that writer and the readers that read it just find it hot.

The thing about dropping "hinted" incest in other categories like mature and group is something I really don't mind seeing. Incest has a squick factor to be sure. But we know the categories aren't really perfect for placing stories. For example, anal is pretty mainstream now in porn. Doesnt matter if it's May/December, my dad's hot GF, teacher, whatever, anal is a type of sex that pops up a lot. Just judging by porn, it would seem a fuckload of people enjoy it. Yet plenty of people still think it's disgusting. And while there's a clear category here for anal and it could clearly squick folks, it still finds it's place in Group Sex, Mature and elsewhere.

I respect that incest carries heavy squick factor, but I honestly don't see why it should be restricted to only one category of story. If the strongest element is the Mature element, but it involves a mother and a step son and his best friend, then why not hint at incest within the Mature category? In that case, incest would be just "a part" of the mature sex theme.

 

[lovecraft68]

Aye, but not everyone that writes at Lit focuses on "gaining more reads from X audience by doing Y". Sure all writers pen and post stuff to share, to please audiences, but it sounds like you're suggesting everything they include is a calculated move to garner more favor among readers.

When I write, I wanna make it so that readers can enjoy it. I want it to be "good". But I don't necessarily leave out or include certain things just to appeal to whoever. Often I just write what I like. And the readers that like it will find it. I mean, if someone wrote slobbering sluts, just because you or I don't like that stereotype doesn't mean the writer wrote that for nefarious intentions of pandering to a larger audience. It could just be that that writer and the readers that read it just find it hot.

The thing about dropping "hinted" incest in other categories like mature and group is something I really don't mind seeing. Incest has a squick factor to be sure. But we know the categories aren't really perfect for placing stories. For example, anal is pretty mainstream now in porn. Doesnt matter if it's May/December, my dad's hot GF, teacher, whatever, anal is a type of sex that pops up a lot. Just judging by porn, it would seem a fuckload of people enjoy it. Yet plenty of people still think it's disgusting. And while there's a clear category here for anal and it could clearly squick folks, it still finds it's place in Group Sex, Mature and elsewhere.

I respect that incest carries heavy squick factor, but I honestly don't see why it should be restricted to only one category of story. If the strongest element is the Mature element, but it involves a mother and a step son and his best friend, then why not hint at incest within the Mature category? In that case, incest would be just "a part" of the mature sex theme.

Agree 100% everyone here has different goals, motivation, reason they write etc,,, and nothing wrong with any of it.

But all I'm saying is some are numbers driven and will manufacture stories based on striving for max goal. Example Silkstockinglover his insanely popular here admits to using ey rolling porno titles because she has learned they get the most hits.

Now some sound so ridiculous I would never read them and others may feel the same and the thing is the writing quality is so much better than the silly title, but the title is what draws and she uses that.

Oh, and on anal? I've long wondered why it needs its own category as you posed, it can happen in any category and be fine there.

We don't have an oral sex category, do we? So why that one?

 

[SecondCircle]

Keeping with what is and isn't incest. Here's a fun example. I was chatting witha few authors on skype-off lit authors, from the Carnal Pleasures publishing house-there were five of us, three men two women.

I posed this scenario.

Mother/daughter have sex with the same guy same time, but no contact, no touching each other, kissing each other, holding each other, just two women fucking/sucking the same guy, but never so much as a kiss between them and no 'cock sharing' where their lips are touching as they both blow at the same time.

Incest or not?

All said incest.

Why?

The general answer was they were naked in front of each other and fucking the same guy regardless of contact its a huge line to cross and pretty much incest.

Okay.

Next question Father/son have sex with the same girl, again no contact between them, but they're fucking her same time.

Incest?

No No no no! I get.

Why not?

The typical homophobic double standard that two women together is 'lez' but two guys never!!!!

That's the answer, but I asked for another explanation and couldn't get one, it just wasn't in that case.

The one female writer provided the only good point with the mother/daughter and t would depend how I wrote it. If there was a point where th guy is fucking mom and he pulls out and the daughter sucks him or other way around, they're tasting each other and that could be seen as incest. If I wrote that as not happening then back to square one.

Probably more of an opinion thing than there being a right answer, but the bi male or homosexual double standard always makes me laugh.

Strange. That certainly wouldn't have been my answer. A dad and a son involved in the same sexual scenario seeing each other's cocks seems pretty against the norm for a dad and son.

Really, though, you could stretch and slice scenarios like that 150 million ways though. Two girls could plausibly have a threesome with a guy and not be lesbian or bisexual. Same with two guys and a girl. They could just be comfortable enough in their sexuality not to scream when they are in close proximity to the same sex private parts. It really depends on what exactly is happening. And furthermore, I'm not entirely sure it really matters. "Oh, you and your friend had a threesome with him! Oh you're definitely a lesbian." Why? Or, why not? Who cares? Why does there have to be a name or label for everything? Why not just, "we were three people that had sex."

 

[lovecraft68]

Here's another topic that mileage will vary. Realism and how far you as an author will stretch it before you'd sigh and say, "Okay, even in this category I can't see this."

here is a link to what I think is a silly premise, but so hot. Jodie west plays a bitchy step mom stuck in a window and her two step sons take advantage. There is little resistance so it is not even close to any type of non consent, she gives right in and is moaning right away

http://www.xvideos.com/video16992949/mom_in_window#_tabComments

But as I watch this I think that could be a hot scenario to play with-wouldn't be the first porn clip I've spun a story from-but here's the thing, it being step mom is perfect.

I can see two older step sons who weren't raised by this woman deciding to 'give it to' their snotty step mom.

But to make this mother and son? Know way I could fathom two sons doing this to their mother and her being so okay with it. It would either have to be a flat out NC/Reluctance piece with mom being appalled for more than ten seconds, or some type of serious back story as to why the sons-two of them-would do this to their mother

So step is the out here, steps aren't true moms and many times they have not been in the sons life for long so there is no maternal bond.

But that is me. Maybe someone here could just cut loose and write this and not say "Oh, come on, how does this happen" they can just say "This is hot!"

and they would have a readership that would be just as split, people rolling their eyes and calling out "seriously" and others going "way hot, chapter two?"

 

[lovecraft68]

Strange. That certainly wouldn't have been my answer. A dad and a son involved in the same sexual scenario seeing each other's cocks seems pretty against the norm for a dad and son.

Really, though, you could stretch and slice scenarios like that 150 million ways though. Two girls could plausibly have a threesome with a guy and not be lesbian or bisexual. Same with two guys and a girl. They could just be comfortable enough in their sexuality not to scream when they are in close proximity to the same sex private parts. It really depends on what exactly is happening. And furthermore, I'm not entirely sure it really matters. "Oh, you and your friend had a threesome with him! Oh you're definitely a lesbian." Why? Or, why not? Who cares? Why does there have to be a name or label for everything? Why not just, "we were three people that had sex."

Newsflash, you're not the normal male reaction to much. You think a lot more, seriously.

and there is actually a porn site-have you figured out I watch way too much porn yet?- called "Class threesome" and the angle is two girls, one guy, no lesbian with the girls. Seems odd because we area accustomed in porn to all girls being bi, but its hot in its way.

And I'm on your side with labels, I don't need one and I've done a woman with another guy and also been with two girls who were into each other and two that weren't, know what I know? s the expression goes, Its all good.

 

[SecondCircle]

Agree 100% everyone here has different goals, motivation, reason they write etc,,, and nothing wrong with any of it.

But all I'm saying is some are numbers driven and will manufacture stories based on striving for max goal. Example Silkstockinglover his insanely popular here admits to using ey rolling porno titles because she has learned they get the most hits.

Now some sound so ridiculous I would never read them and others may feel the same and the thing is the writing quality is so much better than the silly title, but the title is what draws and she uses that.

Oh, and on anal? I've long wondered why it needs its own category as you posed, it can happen in any category and be fine there.

We don't have an oral sex category, do we? So why that one?

Agreed. Some do it, some don't. We must not make the mistake of simply looking and assuming which it is though. The story I spoke of earlier that I wrote (step siblings horror story) speaks to this. Anyone is free to say, "oh SC just included step siblings because he wanted to pull in hidden incest reads for higher score." They are free to believe that, but they would be quite wrong. I just thought it'd be hot to explore step siblings all (that met late in life) that are all grown io and alone on a snowy night. I think the tension of attraction there, when they are supoosed to resist because of their parents marriage, was arousing. So I wrote it. But overall, it was a horror story. A creature that preyed on the sinful and adulterous slumbered in (and around) their house for years. Horror was where it belonged.

<sigh> I know. I dunno why theres no Oral category if there's Anal. While back I posted a short sex scene (2nd Person POV) that focused on a wake up blow job and the sensations involved. Would have been great to place it in Oral. I think I had to dump it in EC. But when we get into that, we head down the road of "why this category, why categories at all, site upgrades, tag system, and blah blah". So I won't go on about my thoughts there for sake of keeping the thread a place for incest as you meant it to be.

 

[Darkniciad]

Oh, and on anal? I've long wondered why it needs its own category as you posed, it can happen in any category and be fine there.

For some reason, there's a large enough contingent of Lit readers who dislike anal for it to hurt you, and there always has been. There seems to be a strong representation of them in Incest, from what I've seen. I regularly see comments there saying it completely ruined the story.

I also see a lot of comments associating it with Gay Male even when the character is female. They may be a loud minority, but there are people out there who equate any anal sex with homosexual tendencies. I've even heard this particular line out in the "real world".

Romance readers don't like it either.

I don't put it in many stories outside the category, but that's as much a personal quirk as it is avoiding a potentially damaging inclusion. Prep time eliminates a lot of the spur-of-the-moment situations I write, for my personal taste.

Don't forget that most of the categories were locked in within the first couple of years of the site's existence. Many things have gone mainstream that weren't so much back then.

 

[SecondCircle]

Here's another topic that mileage will vary. Realism and how far you as an author will stretch it before you'd sigh and say, "Okay, even in this category I can't see this."

here is a link to what I think is a silly premise, but so hot. Jodie west plays a bitchy step mom stuck in a window and her two step sons take advantage. There is little resistance so it is not even close to any type of non consent, she gives right in and is moaning right away

http://www.xvideos.com/video16992949/mom_in_window#_tabComments

But as I watch this I think that could be a hot scenario to play with-wouldn't be the first porn clip I've spun a story from-but here's the thing, it being step mom is perfect.

I can see two older step sons who weren't raised by this woman deciding to 'give it to' their snotty step mom.

But to make this mother and son? Know way I could fathom two sons doing this to their mother and her being so okay with it. It would either have to be a flat out NC/Reluctance piece with mom being appalled for more than ten seconds, or some type of serious back story as to why the sons-two of them-would do this to their mother

So step is the out here, steps aren't true moms and many times they have not been in the sons life for long so there is no maternal bond.

But that is me. Maybe someone here could just cut loose and write this and not say "Oh, come on, how does this happen" they can just say "This is hot!"

and they would have a readership that would be just as split, people rolling their eyes and calling out "seriously" and others going "way hot, chapter two?"

Yeah that's the thing I guess. Most people can "see" the appeal of incest, but not like it at all. Step is a happy middle ground. For some people full blown incest is to much to make plausible. For them, it's "Really? Really? She would just, fuck her son all happy go lucky like that?" Like we spoke of further up, that's not always easy to sell without resorting to "Halloween mask cliche" stuff. Whereas I see a common viewer/reader more able to accept a Step relationship becoming sexual. It'd be more plausible to accept that if a guy got a new step sister and she was fuggin attractive (and she thought he was too) that it'd be harder to keep that sexual tension at bay.

 

[SecondCircle]

For some reason, there's a large enough contingent of Lit readers who dislike anal for it to hurt you, and there always has been. There seems to be a strong contingent of them in Incest, from what I've seen. I regularly see comments there saying it completely ruined the story.

I also see a lot of comments associating it with Gay Male even when the character is female. They may be a loud minority, but there are people out there who equate any anal sex with homosexual tendencies. I've even heard this particular line out in the "real world".

Romance readers don't like it either.

I don't put it in many stories outside the category, but that's as much a personal quirk as it is avoiding a potentially damaging inclusion. Prep time eliminates a lot of the spur-of-the-moment situations I write, for my personal taste.

Don't forget that most of the categories were locked in within the first couple of years of the site's existence. Many things have gone mainstream that weren't so much back then.

Aye. Anal could be more "squicky". That's what I always surmised. Whereas oral doesn't carry that same power.

 

[lovecraft68]

Agreed. Some do it, some don't. We must not make the mistake of simply looking and assuming which it is though. The story I spoke of earlier that I wrote (step siblings horror story) speaks to this. Anyone is free to say, "oh SC just included step siblings because he wanted to pull in hidden incest reads for higher score." They are free to believe that, but they would be quite wrong. I just thought it'd be hot to explore step siblings all (that met late in life) that are all grown io and alone on a snowy night. I think the tension of attraction there, when they are supoosed to resist because of their parents marriage, was arousing. So I wrote it. But overall, it was a horror story. A creature that preyed on the sinful and adulterous slumbered in (and around) their house for years. Horror was where it belonged.

<sigh> I know. I dunno why theres no Oral category if there's Anal. While back I posted a short sex scene (2nd Person POV) that focused on a wake up blow job and the sensations involved. Would have been great to place it in Oral. I think I had to dump it in EC. But when we get into that, we head down the road of "why this category, why categories at all, site upgrades, tag system, and blah blah". So I won't go on about my thoughts there for sake of keeping the thread a place for incest as you meant it to be.

I was goofing about the oral because just about every sex story has it. Only category change's I would push for would be ditching anal, sticking MC in non con because its a 'rape lite' type category and that could pave the way for the much needed BI category

I think the example of your story is a poor one, only in the sense that incest readers don't normally gravitate to EH. In fact incest readers will mostly stick to their kink except for mature because of the things we have already discussed that that there's a cross over between milf and mom and dad and older guy stories.

And EH seems unsquickable by nature they're pretty open to anything because to them its "disturbing' is the better word. In My Abigail story I had a woman seducing her adopted daughter who called her 'mama' even during their sex.

But the pseudo incest didn't seem to affect anyone and partly I think because the adopted mother really used and twisted the daughter and that was how she was able to so it fell under "that's sick and twisted" not was I trying to arouse them with some mommy porn.

 

[lovecraft68]

For some reason, there's a large enough contingent of Lit readers who dislike anal for it to hurt you, and there always has been. There seems to be a strong representation of them in Incest, from what I've seen. I regularly see comments there saying it completely ruined the story.

I also see a lot of comments associating it with Gay Male even when the character is female. They may be a loud minority, but there are people out there who equate any anal sex with homosexual tendencies. I've even heard this particular line out in the "real world".

Romance readers don't like it either.

I don't put it in many stories outside the category, but that's as much a personal quirk as it is avoiding a potentially damaging inclusion. Prep time eliminates a lot of the spur-of-the-moment situations I write, for my personal taste.

Don't forget that most of the categories were locked in within the first couple of years of the site's existence. Many things have gone mainstream that weren't so much back then.

Well nothing romantic about anal

In incest it falls under the stroke raunch crowd is fine with anal, but the loving incest faction thinks fucking mom/sis in the ass is no way to treat them

 

[Darkniciad]

Well nothing romantic about anal

In incest it falls under the stroke raunch crowd is fine with anal, but the loving incest faction thinks fucking mom/sis in the ass is no way to treat them

That's most likely the case. That sort of comment is something I "log" in my head without the context of looking at the story, because it makes perfect sense. Anal is "dirty" sex, and doesn't belong in anything that edges toward romance for a lot of people.

From what I've seen, the "romance" part of the readership in the category is far more likely to comment than the "raunch" crowd as well -- at least in a comment to view ratio. Really, that extends to voting as well on anything but Mom/Son, where the sheer number of people who click it skew the ratio. Not so much favorites, because so many people still use that as a bookmark whether they like light and fluffy or down and dirty.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Someone can write a displaced incest story where you think Oh, clever, or Oh, that fits. Other times, it's ROLL EYES because Please. Who do you think you're kidding? Especially when you add a little squick warning that "this might seem to be a little incest-y, but there's no incest so you should be safe to proceed." So you can feel good that you're not in the perv section while getting your D/d fantasy anyway. Ew.

 

[lovecraft68]

Although this shouldn't surprise me anymore sometimes it still does. This is a comment I just received on an incest story

WOW

What a sorry skank slut! As a nurse my first case in psych was a very similar situation of mommy "In LOVE" with sonny. IN house treatment before a nice long stay in the slammer AS SHE DESERVED![/I]

Okay they didn't like the story fine, but reading the comment they obviously have an issue with incest, referencing the mommy's should go to jail so....what the fuck are you doing in that category?

Course no proof they read it, maybe they go up and down the story lists doing that.

 

[lovecraft68]

Someone can write a displaced incest story where you think Oh, clever, or Oh, that fits. Other times, it's ROLL EYES because Please. Who do you think you're kidding? Especially when you add a little squick warning that "this might seem to be a little incest-y, but there's no incest so you should be safe to proceed." So you can feel good that you're not in the perv section while getting your D/d fantasy anyway. Ew.

People do what they do, I only control what I do. I think we all have our little mini code of ethics here that we adhere to for some reason or another. What I won't do others will and other way around.

Once I read a story that ticks me off for whatever reason I generally avoid anymore of that authors work.

 

[Raziel83]

...And now I'm going to come back and admit that sometimes the "near but not quite" incest is actually adding realism to the story.

Like the cliche of "daugther(s) want to help dad after divorce." What if instead of fucking their father they instead ask one of their friends to fuck him. They might talk about how great their dad is and how he seriously needs to get laid now that he is finally free from their bitchy mom and since they aren't into incest themselves they set up a plan where one of their friends will seduce him.

...Add in that she really starts to like the older man and the girls get a step-mom for classmate!

Likewise you could have someone with a twin-fantasy managing to get some twin guys (or gals) to bed and while the twins aren't interested in each other (or even bi for that matter) they fuck the hell out of the lucky guy/gal.

 

[lovecraft68]

...And now I'm going to come back and admit that sometimes the "near but not quite" incest is actually adding realism to the story.

Like the cliche of "daugther(s) want to help dad after divorce." What if instead of fucking their father they instead ask one of their friends to fuck him. They might talk about how great their dad is and how he seriously needs to get laid now that he is finally free from their bitchy mom and since they aren't into incest themselves they set up a plan where one of their friends will seduce him.

...Add in that she really starts to like the older man and the girls get a step-mom for classmate!

Likewise you could have someone with a twin-fantasy managing to get some twin guys (or gals) to bed and while the twins aren't interested in each other (or even bi for that matter) they fuck the hell out of the lucky guy/gal.

The first thing you mention hinges on where is the daughter? A hey I want to get my dad laid is one thing, laying on the bed and watching and encouraging the festivities to me falls under, you went that far just go all the way otherwise its as I called it a cheap ploy.

The second example is what I was talking about where some people see that as incest as in sharing a sexual experience-but no contact- and some don't, I think that, like everything else falls under opinion only.

I like those porn vids where 'mom' barges in on the daughter with the boyfriend and 'shows' her how, some its a full out threesome, some does it all and daughter sits there watching. Both hot in their way

 

[Raziel83]

True, lots of interpretation on what counts as incest, then again we have already seen such discussion even in this thread.

Many of those porn vids actually have a "step-mom" instead of mother so that they can still have the younger woman call the other "mommy" but skirt even further from actual incest...

 

[lovecraft68]

True, lots of interpretation on what counts as incest, then again we have already seen such discussion even in this thread.

Many of those porn vids actually have a "step-mom" instead of mother so that they can still have the younger woman call the other "mommy" but skirt even further from actual incest...

Right and perhaps skirt any bull from the moral majority types saying its incest which is why amazon stopped allowing incest ebooks because people complained

Plus step makes it more plausible it could happen

 

[SecondCircle]

Plus step makes it more plausible it could happen

I think that has a lot to do with it. The squick and social standards are still there for sure, but like you said it's an easier bridge to cross with Step relatives than accepting blood relatives would just jump each other's bones.

It's why I think really awesome stories can come from Incest as well as terrible ones. There's the burden of straddling the line of plausibility and fantasy. If it's handled well, usually it's really good. If not, it feels cheap and fake. So for me it could be super tense and immersive, or almost instantly groan worthy