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Can you say James Holmes?
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WTF are you talking about?
Years of drug and alcohol abuse have obviously had negative effects on your memory.
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Guess it depends on your definition of armed to the teeth....
Most of them carry some sort of handgun,
But that is about it.
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Only 4 on my birthday, also gang related. You win.
But we really do need to get more guns into the hands of the bangers, and foment as much ill will between them as possible. There should be an office in every municipal police department dedicated to just that. And we can all celebrate as the worthless cockroaches kill each other.
Human tragedies my ass, well over half of them are a cause for celebration.
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I meant as a whole, not individually.
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That essentially is the current strategy. Attack where increased security isn't. Paris demonstrated that. The soccer stadium wherein the President sat was not the main target. The concert hall and sidewalk cafes were.
The complexity of attacking the SuperBowl or a presidential inauguration results in too much chatter that would potentially compromise the operation. The genius is in selecting targets that in no rational way qualify as targets other than groups of people being there.
It also unarguably increases the element of terror by demonstrating that you and I are no longer "safe" simply by avoiding Times Square on New Year's Eve. It could happen to you. Me. Anywhere. That's the whole point.
The point the terrorists apparently don't get is that they are not going to establish a global caliphate by killing a few dozen or even hundreds of people at a time.
IMHO, the only way for us to beat this thing is for targeted Western nations to present a UNIFIED and SINGULARLY DEDICATED superior military force to repeatedly annihilate whatever leadership keeps springing up in an attempt to sustain this virus AND for the rest of Islam to FORM and present a UNIFIED THEOLOGICAL REPUDIATION of the fundamentalist doctrine which it is finally just starting to do. Even with that, victory will take an agonizingly long period of time.
But eventually I have to believe that no one can perpetually die for a truly hopeless cause and it seems to me the two elements above are the critical ingredients to constructing that indisputable sense of hopelessness.
Numerically speaking, the adherents of Nazism and Japanese Imperialism at their peak were far larger than Islamic jihadists currently. But the use of nuclear weapons sent a very clear message to despots everywhere. Unless you have a nuke yourself, my ability to unleash despair trumps whatever fervor you're telling me you have.
Obviously the roaches are smart enough to no longer congregate in the same spot inviting the next ground zero. But the point is, we must demonstrate the same resolve that the decision to use nuclear weapons represented.
It is highly questionable that we have that resolve. Hell, people shit their pants if the government dares to engage in the perfectly legal practice of collecting and storing the mere time, date and connection of a fucking domestic phone call for the purpose of conducting an investigation at a foreign terrorist suspect.
We almost certainly have the ability to end this thing eventually. But we deploy troops and pull them back, and send them over again later, and bomb wherever the Toyota trucks have scampered to next because we are DOMINATED by an internal debate by which we keep tying one arm behind our backs.
"It's a war."
"No, it's just a crime."
"It's a distortion of medieval theology."
"No, it's the culmination of our medieval foreign policies over decades."
"Try 'em in civilian courts with full civilian rights."
"Try them as war criminals before military tribunals and hold them as unlawful combatants indefinitely until hostilities have terminated."
"The solution is more gun control."
"The solution is better pest control."
I fear we are locked in a stalemate in the battle against the greatest threat. Ourselves.
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Armed to the teeth means more than 1 primary firearm and or weapon.
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Speaking of the terrorist watch list, why are those cats still allowed to purchase guns legally?
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Because you can be on a terrorist watch list just based on suspicion, without having committed a crime. Once you land on that list you never come off, there is no oversight.
It's also idiotic to ban gun ownership for someone who is on a no fly list. One thing has nothing to do with the other, plus innocent people with nothing to do with terrorism are routinely put on it by mistake.
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Yeah, I'm too lazy to go back and quote the relevant post, but still.....
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That these may have been organised Muslim terrorists in no way changes the fact that they were able to get their hands on handguns, rifles, and the equipment to make explosive devices.... seemingly with zero checks.
I'm astonished by the people that appear to be saying 'Oh, they were Muslim. Ok then.'
I'm astonished by the people that appear to be saying 'Oh, they were Muslim. Ok then.'
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I have to start with attacking a soft target=/= attacking at random. Random is random. If well populated soft targets are the problem then we need to have a conversation on how precisely to deal with that.
As for the terror aspect I don't want to be the drama queen and say "IT WAS ALMOST ME!!!!!!" But all joking aside the attack was in the same county I live in. Close enough that the school my mother works in was on lock down and then eventually sent home. I get that part.
I agree they have no way of winning this by dozens or even hundreds at a time. (I'm not nearly as convinced as many other people are that this is truly the goal. But that's another issue.)
I'm not certain I agree with your solution and I'm definitely guilty of many of the things that you state below as to what has us twisted in circles. I however propose two things.
The first is that part of the problem seems to be and is with many aspects of American life we're taught constantly that compromise is the only way. But in reality it's not. Sometimes one guy or the other simply has to take a knee because compromise is everybody losing.
The second is that on some level I think most Americans realize that this is much more annoying than actually dangerous. I haven't run the numbers with the latest attacks (Ish did it once and I kept them updated for a while but I lost where I did it) terrorists are simply not killing a lot of us. We get worked up emotionally but one some level we realize we have time to quibble about how we get there and to make sure that when we win take our victory lap whenever it is that the picture doesn't need to be photoshopped because we've been planning the victory dance for longer than some of the people in it have been alive.
As for the terror aspect I don't want to be the drama queen and say "IT WAS ALMOST ME!!!!!!" But all joking aside the attack was in the same county I live in. Close enough that the school my mother works in was on lock down and then eventually sent home. I get that part.
I agree they have no way of winning this by dozens or even hundreds at a time. (I'm not nearly as convinced as many other people are that this is truly the goal. But that's another issue.)
I'm not certain I agree with your solution and I'm definitely guilty of many of the things that you state below as to what has us twisted in circles. I however propose two things.
The first is that part of the problem seems to be and is with many aspects of American life we're taught constantly that compromise is the only way. But in reality it's not. Sometimes one guy or the other simply has to take a knee because compromise is everybody losing.
The second is that on some level I think most Americans realize that this is much more annoying than actually dangerous. I haven't run the numbers with the latest attacks (Ish did it once and I kept them updated for a while but I lost where I did it) terrorists are simply not killing a lot of us. We get worked up emotionally but one some level we realize we have time to quibble about how we get there and to make sure that when we win take our victory lap whenever it is that the picture doesn't need to be photoshopped because we've been planning the victory dance for longer than some of the people in it have been alive.
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It's a fair question. I just heard a local news report on the radio that said Sayeeeeed was on the DHS watch list. #Oopsslippedthruthecrack.
Multiple witnesses said there were 3 shooters, What happened to the 3rd shooter?
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Keyword is suspected. Being on a watch list does not mean you are a Terrorist.
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I'd kill suspects quietly and softly, and in a week Islamic terrorism would go away.
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Muslim and muslim is not the same.
For instance, if you're from Iran or Syria, you don't do shit, but you're fucked.
But if you're from Iraq, Pakistan or Saudi-Arabia, you have to do heavy shit to be recognized as a possible threat.
America can't think logically, they only think in allies.
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Armed to the teeth is a little like Dressed to the Nines. It has no definition that any two people could truly agree on.
You're covering a few things that aren't REALLY the same despite sounding similar.
If we're talking strictly on the number of lives lost annually the "problem" is primarily handguns not rifles and nobody actually kills people with explosives.
Rifles are certainly "scary" but they are poor for crime in general because concealing them on your person is difficult at best. They are great for the occasional mass shooting but mass shootings are sexy but (and I'll have to run the numbers for this year when they become available. But this year is an abberation) they aren't the big part of the problem if again we're worried about lives lost total.
As for explosives I really hate when people bring that up. First they simply aren't used very frequently. Most people lack the skill and tools to make an effective explosive weapon. Even with the internet and youtube and all the tools available it's still niether as easy as most people would have you think and certainly not common.
You're covering a few things that aren't REALLY the same despite sounding similar.
If we're talking strictly on the number of lives lost annually the "problem" is primarily handguns not rifles and nobody actually kills people with explosives.
Rifles are certainly "scary" but they are poor for crime in general because concealing them on your person is difficult at best. They are great for the occasional mass shooting but mass shootings are sexy but (and I'll have to run the numbers for this year when they become available. But this year is an abberation) they aren't the big part of the problem if again we're worried about lives lost total.
As for explosives I really hate when people bring that up. First they simply aren't used very frequently. Most people lack the skill and tools to make an effective explosive weapon. Even with the internet and youtube and all the tools available it's still niether as easy as most people would have you think and certainly not common.
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I agree with the concept but not the time frame.
We could wipe out these Neanderthals in a matter of months if the POTUS decided to unleash our military and let them do what they are trained for: blow things up and kill people.
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You do know you can build explosives with basic items from garden supply and hardware stores, don't you? All it takes is a little knowledge of high school level chemistry.
Plus, the terrorists in question apparently passed 's existing firearms purchase background check to buy their rifles legally, so it's doubtful they had criminal convictions or recorded mental health issues.
So what measures short of a total surveillance state or a ban on all chemical and legal firearms sales would have stopped them?
Plus, the terrorists in question apparently passed 's existing firearms purchase background check to buy their rifles legally, so it's doubtful they had criminal convictions or recorded mental health issues.
So what measures short of a total surveillance state or a ban on all chemical and legal firearms sales would have stopped them?
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Good post Col.
You're absolutely right, the targets are John and Mary Lunchbucket. Bring the terror to middle America. They may get away with this strategy for a while, but administrations change, as do laws. And eventually ALL of them are going to find themselves on a boat to the "New Caliphate." They will precipitate an electoral reaction quite the contrary to their desires.
And that electoral reaction is going to resolve a LOT of the stalemate you referred to. (That electoral reaction is already bearing fruit in France should anyone be interested enough in looking it up.)
And quite frankly the cost to the public of having to track them etc., which is a fruitless effort to begin with, is NOT worth having them here to begin with.
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There is no law, existing or proposed, that would have prevented yesterdays tragedy.
Ishmael
The answer was stated well already
And did you know, at one time, Ted Kennedy was on a mo fly list as well
So the list is BS
But here is a better question,
As I posted, THE FBI knew this guy was in touch with known terrorists
Yet did nothing, why?
The FBI was warned by Russia about the Boston bombers and did nothing, why?
The Mosque where the brothers went is known by the FBI as radical, yet the State of Mass funded em, why?
