America has 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's prison population

[Mike_Yates]

The United States of America accounts for only 5% of the world's population, but 25% of the world's prison population.

We have more people locked up behind bars than Russia and China combined. In fact, in the past 20 years alone, our prison population has more than doubled.

The US also has one of the harshest criminal justice systems of any first-world nation, a justice system that frequently hands down life sentences to nonviolent first-time offenders.

How can we call ourselves the land of the free with that statistic?

 

[NeverEndingMe]

clearly when the obama kind don't get what they want (ie welfare) they go out and murder

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

You need to realize what happens in other countries...

Also Russia and China are not the rest of the world.

 

[Que]

Maybe he is calling for swift executions to cull the prison population?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Maybe he is calling for swift executions to cull the prison population?

It is the drift I get...

 

[Que]

I buy the disproportionate sentencing for different drugs but I don't buy that there are legions of misunderstood angels in prison.

Our crime rate would be much higher with lower rates of incarceration. Hard to assault. rape and murder regular citizens when you are not among them. Some 'victimless" crimes are prosecuted to get a guy locked up that has a history of violence. I am not thrilled with the prosecutorial zeal such a trade off entails. If you can't get Capone for actual crimes locking him up for imputed income tax evasion is wrong, f you would not lock up a run of the mill white collar tax cheat for the same crime.

Our leader without peer is now commuting some sentences. If that is a correct and just decision (and in cases it may well be) his dithering cost those people 7 years of their lives, and if society is actually better off with them among the sheep, society lost both the cost of incarceration and the productivity they would have added as hypothetically productive citizens.

He only did it to keep Rand from bring in voters from off the Democrat's reservation.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

For every simple drug crime, one wonders what went on unpunished before the acquisition of the drugs...



Having said that, we all know that I am against prohibitions and the use of government to prevent free choice and, for lack of a better word, "Darwinism."

 

[Sean]

Our crime rate would be much higher with lower rates of incarceration.

If this were the case, the US would have the lowest crime rate in the world. This is demonstrably not the case.

 

[about_average]

Maybe he is calling for swift executions to cull the prison population?

Yeah, executing everyone on death row tomorrow would have a major impact on the prison and jail population.
All of 0.14%

I buy the disproportionate sentencing for different drugs but I don't buy that there are legions of misunderstood angels in prison.

Our crime rate would be much higher with lower rates of incarceration.

Or you could actually reduce crime, including assault, theft and murder, by making things like drug use, prostitution, etc. legal. All while saving the taxpayer substantial amounts of money.

 

[oddity83]

Prisons are a multi million if not billion dollar industry. Rehabilitation and justice do not fit into the profit line.

 

[Everyday_Man]

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[Hard_Rom]

Why is it other nations can maintain similar or lower crime rates without incarcerating people?

How do the other English speaking countries compare?
United States of America 698 per 100k
New Zealand 190
Australia 151
England and Wales (United Kingdom) 148
Canada 106

We all have the same legal system.
England exported English Common law and English Statute law to most parts of the British Empire, and many aspects of that system have survived after Independence or otherwise cessation of British rule. "English law" prior to the American Revolutionary Wars (American War of Independence) is still an influence on United States law, and provides the basis for many American legal traditions and policies.

One third of the world's population (approximately 2.3 billion people) live in common law jurisdictions or in systems mixed with civil law. Common law originated during the Middle Ages in England,[7] and from there was propagated to the colonies of the British Empire, including India,[8] the United States (both the federal system and 49 of its 50 states)...

 

[Oh_That_Guy]

Long sentences for one time killers who everyone knows will never kill again is a big part of it. Same with drugs. I get putting the big time drug guys in prison but not the small time street dealers and the like. Yeah, most of them are scummy but putting them in prison for 20 to life is just dumb.
Solve a lot of problems by going through every prison and releasing a majority of killers and small time drug dealers.

 

[Oh_That_Guy]

Why is it other nations can maintain similar or lower crime rates without incarcerating people?

How do the other English speaking countries compare?
United States of America 698 per 100k
New Zealand 190
Australia 151
England and Wales (United Kingdom) 148
Canada 106

We all have the same legal system.
England exported English Common law and English Statute law to most parts of the British Empire, and many aspects of that system have survived after Independence or otherwise cessation of British rule. "English law" prior to the American Revolutionary Wars (American War of Independence) is still an influence on United States law, and provides the basis for many American legal traditions and policies.

One third of the world's population (approximately 2.3 billion people) live in common law jurisdictions or in systems mixed with civil law. Common law originated during the Middle Ages in England,[7] and from there was propagated to the colonies of the British Empire, including India,[8] the United States (both the federal system and 49 of its 50 states)...

We have similar legal systems on paper but in reality the US system has a lot of problems. I personally believe it's still a good system but corruption and racism and an overabundance of laws have turned it into a backlogged, overcrowded mess.

 

[Sean]

We have similar legal systems on paper but in reality the US system has a lot of problems. I personally believe it's still a good system but corruption and racism and an overabundance of laws have turned it into a backlogged, overcrowded mess.

When your judges are taking payments from prison companies for the number of free workers they send, you have a major problem.

 

[Oh_That_Guy]

When your judges are taking payments from prison companies for the number of free workers they send, you have a major problem.

Judges are just part of it. There are major problems from the lawmakers to the cops and all the way to the prisons themselves. It's a mess of our own making and it can be fixed but we have to get people on board the idea of fixing it and people like knowing the bad guys are locked away so they say they want it fixed but many really don't.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Doesn't have a damned thing to do with black on black violence in Chicago, for example...


:nods:

 

[Oh_That_Guy]

Doesn't have a damned thing to do with black on black violence in Chicago, for example...


:nods:

Do you feel that violence is somehow different when it's black on black? Not sure what other point you'd have there.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Do you feel that violence is somehow different when it's black on black? Not sure what other point you'd have there.

No. But, when we examine the per capita incarceration rate which is so shocking to dummies, we find a disproportionate amount of the incarcerated are from the liberal gun-free zones, the liberal sanctuary cities and the liberal land of multiculturalism, moral relativism and condonation of the "art of violence" as practiced by our urban 'utes.'

 

[Sean]

No. But, when we examine the per capita incarceration rate which is so shocking to dummies, we find a disproportionate amount of the incarcerated are from the liberal gun-free zones, the liberal sanctuary cities and the liberal land of multiculturalism, moral relativism and condonation of the "art of violence" as practiced by our urban 'utes.'

This is a lie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_incarceration_rate

 

[Hard_Rom]

Canada's shame

It is always the poor and/or marginalized who make up more than their fair share of prisoners. And that is the shame of all the rest of us. With over 300 million, the US probably has lots of poor and/or marginalized people.

Level of education seems Canadian natives best way out. What are education levels of American prisoners? Got many high-school graduates?

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/native-people-social-conditions/

Justice

Aboriginal people are over-represented in the criminal justice system as offenders and inmates, and under-represented as officials, officers, court workers or lawyers. Research has shown the high crime rate among the Aboriginal population is a result of the effects of the residential school system, experience in the child welfare system, effects of the dislocation and dispossession of Aboriginal peoples, family or community history of suicide, substance abuse and/or victimization, lower educational attainment, poverty, poor living conditions, and exposure to/membership in street gangs.

Rates of incarceration among the Aboriginal population continue to increase. In 2013, Aboriginal offenders accounted for 23.2 per cent of federally-sentenced offenders compared to 17 per cent in 2000–01. In this same year, Aboriginal women represented 33.6 per cent of all federally sentenced women. Aboriginal offenders were on the whole younger than their non-Aboriginal counterparts; 21.3 per cent of federally-incarcerated Aboriginal offenders were 25 years or younger versus 13.6 per cent of non-Aboriginal offenders.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Education is considered turning your back on your race and trying to pretend you're white.


That's where you get terms like House nigger and cornball brothers...

 

[Oh_That_Guy]

No. But, when we examine the per capita incarceration rate which is so shocking to dummies, we find a disproportionate amount of the incarcerated are from the liberal gun-free zones, the liberal sanctuary cities and the liberal land of multiculturalism, moral relativism and condonation of the "art of violence" as practiced by our urban 'utes.'

That's just not true.

 

[Oh_That_Guy]

Education is considered turning your back on your race and trying to pretend you're white.


That's where you get terms like House nigger and cornball brothers...

That's not true either.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I ran a school in the inner city for many years.

Of course it's true. I've heard it straight from the mouths of the little shits and had many upwardly mobile black families bring their kids to me to defend themselves from the thugs bound and determined to beat their cornball asses back into their proper places. We even see accomplished brothers on ESPN doing the same thing to the members of their race who are not authentically black enough in their personal lives.