Why Executions Matter.

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-24/the-case-for-the-firing-squad

Dead men don't kill again.

 

[1sickbastard]

So you actually trust the gov't that much, that the DA and the cops won't suppress exculpatory evidence just to get a conviction?

Dead men don't kill again, it's true.
But those wrongly convicted and executed don't get to have that sentence reversed either.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

So you actually trust the gov't that much, that the DA and the cops won't suppress exculpatory evidence just to get a conviction?

Dead men don't kill again, it's true.
But those wrongly convicted and executed don't get to have that sentence reversed either.

I have no problem fucking cops, prosecutors, and juries who get it wrong. Disbar the prosecutor, fire the cop, harass jurors when they err either way.

 

[NightL]

I have no problem fucking cops...

I hear some even try blow up dolls

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I hear some even try blow up dolls

Youre far more experienced than me, I imagine.

 

[DesEsseintes]

I have no problem fucking cops, prosecutors, and juries who get it wrong. Disbar the prosecutor, fire the cop, harass jurors when they err either way.

Doesn't raise the dead, though. Why not hanging, drawing and quartering while we're at it? Or beheading is very now.

 

[kbate]

I have no problem fucking cops, prosecutors, and juries who get it wrong. Disbar the prosecutor, fire the cop, harass jurors when they err either way.

disbarred < death

that's why execution is wrong.

Perhaps if the penalty for executing an innocent man was death rather than a fine, the death penalty might only be applied when evidence of guilt is overwhelming, rather than whenever it is politically the preferred move.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

disbarred < death

that's why execution is wrong.

Perhaps if the penalty for executing an innocent man was death rather than a fine, the death penalty might only be applied when evidence of guilt is overwhelming, rather than whenever it is politically the preferred move.

Wrong. They'd acquit every defendant.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Doesn't raise the dead, though. Why not hanging, drawing and quartering while we're at it? Or beheading is very now.

You cant have it both ways, dear. Make them interested in the right outcome.

The virgin or the tiger.

 

[oggbashan]

Wrong. They'd acquit every defendant.

That was the difficulty in late 17th and early 18th Century England. We didn't have an effective law enforcement agency, and property owners were scared of violent burglaries and highway robbery.

The establishment over-reacted by making execution compulsory for a large number of minor offences against property including poaching.

Juries refused to convict when the only possible sentence was death.

Transportation, at first to America and then to Australia, replaced the death penalty for minor crimes. Most of the crimes committed by those transported would not receive a prison sentence now. The establishment of a Police force in the 19th Century slowly began to erode the mandatory death sentences.

 

[1sickbastard]

I have no problem fucking cops, prosecutors, and juries who get it wrong. Disbar the prosecutor, fire the cop, harass jurors when they err either way.

Except an executed innocent is still DEAD. For that person there is no restitution and no rehabilitation. It makes a mockery of the notion of justice.

 

[dolf]

relevant?

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Which can have its own peculiar consequences.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-PPYQAELy14s/VHSz7_zEwdI/AAAAAAABfKs/ukrfTtoOjr8/w1024-h768/ricardo-montalban-khan-hd-images-3.png

 

[oggbashan]

Doesn't raise the dead, though. Why not hanging, drawing and quartering while we're at it? Or beheading is very now.

Hanging, drawing and quartering was a lingering death. A skilled executioner could make the process last many hours before death.

Beheading was quick when done properly, but could be a messy business with an unskilled practitioner. Anne Boleyn had her last request granted - she was beheaded by a skilled French swordsman, not the normal Yeoman of the Guard axeman.

The Guillotine was always effective...

 

[eyer]

It's far, far more just to execute, I mean...

...abort the innocent when they are at their youngest.

That way...

...even the killers are kept out of the criminal justice system.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Except an executed innocent is still DEAD. For that person there is no restitution and no rehabilitation. It makes a mockery of the notion of justice.

Lemme help you out. Our poor spared killers kill again.

A few years ago California released a man who raped a teen and amputated her arms. He came to Tampa and murdered a woman. Our Libz were dancing in the streets at their good fortune.

 

[oggbashan]

This man should have been executed, or at least been in a high security prison for the duration of his life:

Ian McLoughlin stabbed to death Graham Buck while allowed out from HMP Spring Hill in Buckinghamshire, where he was serving a 25-year jail term for killing two men he believed were paedophiles.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...re-allowed-convicted-killer-to-on-day-release

Edited to add: He was convicted of manslaughter, served his time, then committed murder, was still in prison serving the 25 year sentence for murder when he was released on day release, having a record for absconding on day release and for breaching probation requirements.

Someone fucked up. By all the rules of day release, he shouldn't have been eligible. Only a tiny minority of those of day release commit crimes while on that release.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

This man should have been executed, or at least been in a high security prison for the duration of his life:

Ian McLoughlin stabbed to death Graham Buck while allowed out from HMP Spring Hill in Buckinghamshire, where he was serving a 25-year jail term for killing two men he believed were paedophiles.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...re-allowed-convicted-killer-to-on-day-release

Advance to the head of the class.

 

[1sickbastard]

Lemme help you out. Our poor spared killers kill again.

A few years ago California released a man who raped a teen and amputated her arms. He came to Tampa and murdered a woman. Our Libz were dancing in the streets at their good fortune.

Ah, so this person wasn't convicted of murder, but of another brutal, violent crime, then committed murder.

Fine. If convicted of murder he should remain in prison until he dies.

Why is that a problem?

 

[DesEsseintes]

Lemme help you out. Our poor spared killers kill again.

A few years ago California released a man who raped a teen and amputated her arms. He came to Tampa and murdered a woman. Our Libz were dancing in the streets at their good fortune.

The problem there is the word 'released'.

It's far more of a punishment to put someone in 24/7 solitary with sleep deprivation and barely enough food and stagnant water to stay alive, anyway, making it impossible for them to kill themselves until they die, raving and tortured, decades later. A soul for a soul. And it still means that those later found innocent can be released and compensated.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Ah, so this person wasn't convicted of murder, but of another brutal, violent crime, then committed murder.

Fine. If convicted of murder he should remain in prison until he dies.

Why is that a problem?

He was released by kind hearted libs who care for criminals more than victims. He did murder, darling. The nice people let him out early.

 

[oggbashan]

He was released by kind hearted libs who care for criminals more than victims. He did murder, darling. The nice people let him out early.

See my addition to post #17 above.

Ian McLoughlin had already killed twice - one manslaughter, later one murder. He killed again when on day release.

 

[JohnnySavage]

I'm still pissed at what England did to Mel Gibson.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

See my addition to post #17 above.

Ian McLoughlin had already killed twice - one manslaughter, later one murder. He killed again when on day release.

I read your post.

 

[Weird Harold]

Fine. If convicted of murder he should remain in prison until he dies.

Why is that a problem?

because:

"He escaped twice while serving a 1980 sentence for robbery in Utah State Prison. During his second escape, he killed a man before police could again put him in handcuffs. During a third escape attempt in 1985, he killed a second man, wounded several, and was arrested for the last time by six officers with guns drawn outside the Metropolitan Hall of Justice in Salt Lake City."


Dead men seldom escape after being executed. Few even try to escape.

That doesn't mean the justice system should not be reformed to eliminate the conviction and execution of innocents, it just means that some people are undoubtedly a danger to society as long as they remain alive.