simple question

[Saint Peter]

Yeah, I'm stupid.

You are not stupid. You just do not have a soul.

 

[Que]

just keep arguing with points I've not made.

Keep ignoring any of the reasons your new entitlement and your very question is idiotic.

Keep ignoring the point I made. If NO ONE PERSON THAT HAS EVER MET THEM on the planet cares about them, why should I?

You premise that there may be some isolated people, maybe to proud to ask for help that fall through the cracks is a silly reason to start yet another entitlement.

 

[dolf]

Keep ignoring any of the reasons your new entitlement and your very question is idiotic.

Keep ignoring the point I made. If NO ONE PERSON THAT HAS EVER MET THEM on the planet cares about them, why should I?

You premise that there may be some isolated people, maybe to proud to ask for help that fall through the cracks is a silly reason to start yet another entitlement.

i asked a question. it's relevant to issues in uk news and i wanted to see where opinions lie on lit.

I've nowhere in this thread argued that it should be one way or the other, whether charity or the state is more appropriate, etc.

I've not criticised AJ for his belief there should be nothing, or and of the yes voters, or the maybe voters either.

but your premise that good people always have loving support is idiotic. and judging people on a high school popularity contest is idiotic. you, sir, are an idiot.

 

[butters]

Keep ignoring any of the reasons your new entitlement and your very question is idiotic.

Keep ignoring the point I made. If NO ONE PERSON THAT HAS EVER MET THEM on the planet cares about them, why should I?

You premise that there may be some isolated people, maybe to proud to ask for help that fall through the cracks is a silly reason to start yet another entitlement.

because there, but for the grace of god, go i not that i believe in god, but the idea stands. you never know when you'll need that support. and apart from that, someone, somewhere has to care or we fail as human beings. you might not care on an individual basis, but it's a human trait to care for those less fortunate.

that was never her premise

 

[Que]

You are not stupid. You just do not have a soul.

Fuck you, SAINT Peter. I guarantee you that I have shown more actual compassion to real human beings than you have. I have for sure given of more of my resources as a percentage than you could possibly have, and likely in real terms as well. I only qualify it as a percentage because I have no idea as to your resources. I have dug deep into my freezer and pantry to help others whether I am doing well myself or not.

I pay for gas, tires and tow-trucks for people I have never previously met. I repair things for people that do not have the means to replace them. I have paid to keep people from suffering the consequences of their poor decisions when the only way they have to get to work is about to be repossessed. I was a bill collector and I used to pay the minimum payment on peoples accounts out of my bonuses to re-age their accounts and buy them some time if their story was good enough. That was somewhat returned to me, in that "my accounts" were the best performing as "my" customers were intensely loyal.

Fuck anyone that demand I care about a hypothetical someone that YOU don't care enough to fucking find, and do something about.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

i asked a question. it's relevant to issues in uk news and i wanted to see where opinions lie on lit.

I've nowhere in this thread argued that it should be one way or the other, whether charity or the state is more appropriate, etc.

I've not criticised AJ for his belief there should be nothing, or and of the yes voters, or the maybe voters either.

but your premise that good people always have loving support is idiotic. and judging people on a high school popularity contest is idiotic. you, sir, are an idiot.

Since when did your love become unconditional? I conclude youre a fraud.

 

[Que]

i asked a question. it's relevant to issues in uk news and i wanted to see where opinions lie on lit.

I've nowhere in this thread argued that it should be one way or the other, whether charity or the state is more appropriate, etc.

I've not criticised AJ for his belief there should be nothing, or and of the yes voters, or the maybe voters either.

but your premise that good people always have loving support is idiotic. and judging people on a high school popularity contest is idiotic. you, sir, are an idiot.

"High school popularity contest?" -Says Dolf, who is included in every poll. ~laughs~

What is the GB, if not that?

 

[doowdniw]

How is "limited means" defined?

The fact is that people here of "limited means" have access to:
Subsidized Housing
Subsidized Health Care
Subsidized Transportation
Subsidized Utilities
Subsidized Groceries
Subsidized Education
Subsidized Social Services
just to name a few, whether or not they have a terminal condition.

And when the end comes, our state constitution requires each county to provide the indigent with a simple but dignified funeral.

 

[Que]

because there, but for the grace of god, go i not that i believe in god, but the idea stands. you never know when you'll need that support. and apart from that, someone, somewhere has to care or we fail as human beings. you might not care on an individual basis, but it's a human trait to care for those less fortunate.

that was never her premise

If you believe not in God, there is no need to invoke him, or Christian ethics.

There but by the grace of my own sense of self-preservation, living within my means, and putting something aside, go I.

Believe in God, community, or Karma. If you put compassion into the world, why would you assume that no one would show that in return to you? I am quite certain I have a lifetime of couches to surf should I need them.

Who are these hypothetical, abandoned waifs? People do die, abandoned and forgotten in the gutter. Do you suppose that giving them a pittance to forestall that fate changes anything? To what end?

 

[dolf]

that was never her premise

indeed it was not.

too proud to ask for help assumes a person is capable and chooses not to. an assumed fault on the part of a person in need. they are too proud, because that must be the only explanation, because they must be physically and mentally capable, not suffer any severe impairment to seeking help for themselves.

it is a childish view of infirmity, idealised, sugar coated and presentable. it is not the reality of many at end stage, who remain invisible from society, behind closed doors, but are often some of the most wonderful people you could ever hope to meet.

 

[dolf]

How is "limited means" defined?

The fact is that people here of "limited means" have access to:
Subsidized Housing
Subsidized Health Care
Subsidized Transportation
Subsidized Utilities
Subsidized Groceries
Subsidized Education
Subsidized Social Services
just to name a few, whether or not they have a terminal condition.

And when the end comes, our state constitution requires each county to provide the indigent with a simple but dignified funeral.

the question was whether or not you believe the things i listed should be provided. depending on where in the world people are posting from, there may be none of those things or all of them and more.

 

[Que]

indeed it was not.

too proud to ask for help assumes a person is capable and chooses not to. an assumed fault on the part of a person in need. they are too proud, because that must be the only explanation, because they must be physically and mentally capable, not suffer any severe impairment to seeking help for themselves.

it is a childish view of infirmity, idealised, sugar coated and presentable. it is not the reality of many at end stage, who remain invisible from society, behind closed doors, but are often some of the most wonderful people you could ever hope to meet.

It is such a shame that some of the most wonderful people you could ever hope to meet are unknown to all of the social workers from all of the innumerable charities and the plethora of governmental agencies.

You have convinced me...where do I send my check?

Since this will be judgment free, we will not be getting all "judgy" about any of these terminal patients, right? I mean this final year, it is our "Christian duty" to turn the other cheek and insure their last year is completely open for them to decide to "get right" with God, or not, right? No one kicked off "the list? Murderers, drug lords, robbers, burglars, rapists, child molesters as well?

 

[Que]

My favorite part of this whole promise, is in your infinite grace, you will graciously allow me to vote "no" but if I give my reasoning, well then I am "stupid."

 

[dolf]

the lack of reasoning is what makes you stupid.

 

[Saint Peter]

Fuck you, SAINT Peter. I guarantee you that I have shown more actual compassion to real human beings than you have. I have for sure given of more of my resources as a percentage than you could possibly have, and likely in real terms as well. I only qualify it as a percentage because I have no idea as to your resources. I have dug deep into my freezer and pantry to help others whether I am doing well myself or not.

I pay for gas, tires and tow-trucks for people I have never previously met. I repair things for people that do not have the means to replace them. I have paid to keep people from suffering the consequences of their poor decisions when the only way they have to get to work is about to be repossessed. I was a bill collector and I used to pay the minimum payment on peoples accounts out of my bonuses to re-age their accounts and buy them some time if their story was good enough. That was somewhat returned to me, in that "my accounts" were the best performing as "my" customers were intensely loyal.

Fuck anyone that demand I care about a hypothetical someone that YOU don't care enough to fucking find, and do something about.

A bill collector? Fuck. You get paid for putting grandma out on the street! And then "guarantee" your shit smells rosier than mine?

Unreal.

 

[Saint Peter]

the lack of reasoning is what makes you stupid.

Yeah.

I take the "you are not stupid" post of mine back.

 

[dolf]

It is such a shame that some of the most wonderful people you could ever hope to meet are unknown to all of the social workers from all of the innumerable charities and the plethora of governmental agencies.

what is and isn't already in place wasn't the question.

the question was:

if a person of limited means is given 12 months to live, should they have all their health, social care and basic income paid for by the state?

to which you replied:

<snip>If you have not lived a life that would make friends and family rally around you in your time of need, why should society care?

no mention of 'social workers from all of the innumerable charities and the plethora of governmental agencies' was made. you were quite clear. if no friends and family are rallying around, you're nothing.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Yeah.

I take the "you are not stupid" post of mine back.

Goodness, you've wounded Queerbait's oh-so-fragile pride.

I see a number of "well-seasoned" alts following you around at all hours in the very near future.

 

[butters]

If you believe not in God, there is no need to invoke him, or Christian ethics.

There but by the grace of my own sense of self-preservation, living within my means, and putting something aside, go I.

Believe in God, community, or Karma. If you put compassion into the world, why would you assume that no one would show that in return to you? I am quite certain I have a lifetime of couches to surf should I need them.

Who are these hypothetical, abandoned waifs? People do die, abandoned and forgotten in the gutter. Do you suppose that giving them a pittance to forestall that fate changes anything? To what end?

it's human-grade ethics i'm putting forward. i used a simple, recognised phrase to do so.

the fact is that no matter what you may assume, you never know what the future may bring. and should you be terminally ill, and depending on the level of medical aid you might need to last for a further 12 months, people might be less willing to offer you their couch.

they are not hypothetical. old and sick people die alone every damned day where the care they need is not given, for whatever reason. for me, the concept of a society looking after the needs of its populace - from infants to the aged - is one worth believing in and striving for. as a taxpayer, i detest the cuts i see being made every day to the crucial public services our british society needs and yet the bankers still gamble indiscriminately and the huge companies and individually wealthy pay people to make sure they don't pay their dues in tax for living/operating in the UK. people shouldn't need to rely on hit and miss social care or charities, most of which pay only a tiny percentage of the monies raised into the actual cause. i would happily pay more income tax knowing it would go where its needed. unfortunately, it probably wouldn't.

indeed it was not.

too proud to ask for help assumes a person is capable and chooses not to. an assumed fault on the part of a person in need. they are too proud, because that must be the only explanation, because they must be physically and mentally capable, not suffer any severe impairment to seeking help for themselves.

it is a childish view of infirmity, idealised, sugar coated and presentable. it is not the reality of many at end stage, who remain invisible from society, behind closed doors, but are often some of the most wonderful people you could ever hope to meet.

it's easy to blame those who cannot defend themselves.

 

[Saint Peter]

Goodness, you've wounded Queerbait's oh-so-fragile pride.

I see a number of "well-seasoned" alts following you around at all hours in the very near future.

I will just have to make sure I am posting while they are volunteering at the soup kitchen or tossing grandma out on the pavement.

 

[Que]

it's human-grade ethics i'm putting forward. i used a simple, recognised phrase to do so.

the fact is that no matter what you may assume, you never know what the future may bring. and should you be terminally ill, and deppending on the level of medical aid you might need to last for a further 12 months, people might be less willing to offer you their couch.

they are not hypothetical. old and sick people die alone every damned day where the care they need is not given, for whatever reason. for me, the concept of a society looking after the needs of its populace - from infants to the aged - is one worth believing in and striving for. as a taxpayer, i detest the cuts i see being made every day to the crucial public services our british society needs and yet the bankers still gamble indiscriminately and the huge companies and individually wealthy pay people to make sure they don't pay their dues in tax for living/operating in the UK. people shouldn't need to rely on hit and miss social care or charities, most of which pay only a tiny percentage of the monies raised into the actual cause. i would happily pay more income tax knowing it would go where its needed. unfortunately, it probably wouldn't.


it's easy to blame those who cannot defend themselves.

No. It cannot last longer than 12 months. Dolf's compassion (at other people's expense) only kicks in when the count-down clock hits 12 months.

Why would you"happily" pay more income tax when, as you rightly say, it probably will not go where it is needed.

You are empowered to tax yourself and give it to the proper charities that will see that it will go where it is needed. Why is that an unacceptable solution to her made up problem?

 

[SkAoUt]

Happy Mother's Day, dolf..

Yes.



Happy Mothering Day!

Mothering Sunday is for religious types. Head to the mother church etc...

One might wish another parishioner a "Happy Mothering Sunday" but otherwise its not really observed by the godless masses.

 

[hobbit.]

I broke a nail. it may prove fatal.

is it the one that hold up the electric heater over your bath?

otherwise, yes.

 

[dolf]

Mothering Sunday is for religious types. Head to the mother church etc...

One might wish another parishioner a "Happy Mothering Sunday" but otherwise its not really observed by the godless masses.

weirdo. i got bath smellies and hugs, so there.

 

[butters]

No. It cannot last longer than 12 months. Dolf's compassion (at other people's expense) only kicks in when the count-down clock hits 12 months.

Why would you"happily" pay more income tax when, as you rightly say, it probably will not go where it is needed.

You are empowered to tax yourself and give it to the proper charities that will see that it will go where it is needed. Why is that an unacceptable solution to her made up problem?

i don't mean another 12 months on top of the original, i meant you lasting for 12 months more of yourlife. my comments stand.

you are being obtuse, deflecting to an AJ standard, and it should be everybody's problem.

just because something is improbable, doesn't mean it cannot be fought for. change doesn't come about by saying 'oh well' and walking away from the issue.

i do not trust the ''proper'' charities. here, you can register as for charitable status so long as you donate 2% of your proceeds to the named cause. that is disgusting, and a loophole for a lot of wealthy people to rake in the cash that never gets where those donating think it will. the shops are run on a pittance, basic wages for one or two staff, the rest made up of volunteers. the charity i work for is an international one, and recently hit newspapers as only donating around 17% of its income to its causes. and that's a good record considering many others. the rest goes to line the pockets of the wealthy, as per usual, who get tax breaks on top for running a charity.

it's about having that safety net for those who need it. a guaranteed safety net, with precautionary measures in place to make sure the system's not abused. i can dream.

'made up problem'? scummy remark