obama asshole is comparing isis militants to Medieval Christian Crusaders

[NeverEndingMe]

what a mental retard, the obama he's clearly gone over the deep end.

obama is one complete fucking fucktard.

we need to send obama to cuba

 

[MatthewVett]

what a mental retard, the obama he's clearly gone over the deep end.

obama is one complete fucking fucktard.

we need to send obama to cuba

Okay, well this is a, quite frankly, awful start, but maybe we can improve it. Now you have your initial thought, and we know you disagree with it, but what you should be doing is supporting your position with argument, rather than just using crude insults. Try it!

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Get someone to sound out the larger words for you NeverEndingMoron.

The Foolish, Historically Illiterate, Incredible Response to Obama's Prayer Breakfast Speech


People who wonder why the president does not talk more about race would do well to examine the recent blow-up over his speech at the National Prayer Breakfast. Inveighing against the barbarism of ISIS, the president pointed out that it would be foolish to blame Islam, at large, for its atrocities. To make this point he noted that using religion to brutalize other people is neither a Muslim invention nor, in America, a foreign one:

Lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.

The "all too often" could just as well be "almost always." There were a fair number of pretexts given for slavery and Jim Crow, but Christianity provided the moral justification. On the cusp of plunging his country into a war that would cost some 750,000 lives, Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens paused to offer some explanation. His justification was not secular. The Confederacy was to be:

The first government ever instituted upon the principles in strict conformity to nature, and the ordination of Providence, in furnishing the materials of human society ... With us, all of the white race, however high or low, rich or poor, are equal in the eye of the law. Not so with the negro. Subordination is his place. He, by nature, or by the curse against Canaan, is fitted for that condition which he occupies in our system. The architect, in the construction of buildings, lays the foundation with the proper material-the granite; then comes the brick or the marble. The substratum of our society is made of the material fitted by nature for it, and by experience we know that it is best, not only for the superior, but for the inferior race, that it should be so.

It is, indeed, in conformity with the ordinance of the Creator. It is not for us to inquire into the wisdom of His ordinances, or to question them. For His own purposes, He has made one race to differ from another, as He has made "one star to differ from another star in glory." The great objects of humanity are best attained when there is conformity to His laws and decrees, in the formation of governments as well as in all things else. Our confederacy is founded upon principles in strict conformity with these laws.

Stephens went on to argue that the "Christianization of the barbarous tribes of Africa" could only be accomplished through enslavement. And enslavement was not made possible through Robert's Rules of Order, but through a 250-year reign of mass torture, industrialized murder, and normalized rape—tactics which ISIS would find familiar. Its moral justification was not "because I said so," it was "Providence," "the curse against Canaan," "the Creator," "and Christianization." In just five years, 750,000 Americans died because of this peculiar mission of "Christianization." Many more died before, and many more died after. In his "Segregation Now" speech, George Wallace invokes God 27 times and calls the federal government opposing him "a system that is the very opposite of Christ."

Now, Christianity did not "cause" slavery, anymore than Christianity "caused" the civil-rights movement. The interest in power is almost always accompanied by the need to sanctify that power. That is what the Muslims terrorists in ISIS are seeking to do today, and that is what Christian enslavers and Christian terrorists did for the lion's share of American history.

That this relatively mild, and correct, point cannot be made without the comments being dubbed, "the most offensive I’ve ever heard a president make in my lifetime,” by a former Virginia governor gives you some sense of the limited tolerance for any honest conversation around racism in our politics. And it gives you something much more. My colleague Jim Fallows recently wrote about the need to, at once, infantilize and deify our military. Perhaps related to that is the need to infantilize and deify our history. Pointing out that Americans have done, on their own soil, in the name of their own God, something similar to what ISIS is doing now does not make ISIS any less barbaric, or any more correct. That is unless you view the entire discussion as a kind of religious one-upmanship, in which the goal is to prove that Christianity is "the awesomest."

Obama seemed to be going for something more—faith leavened by “some doubt.” If you are truly appalled by the brutality of ISIS, then a wise and essential step is understanding the lure of brutality, and recalling how easily your own society can be, and how often it has been, pulled over the brink.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Okay, well this is a, quite frankly, awful start, but maybe we can improve it. Now you have your initial thought, and we know you disagree with it, but what you should be doing is supporting your position with argument, rather than just using crude insults. Try it!

Good luck. NeverEndingMoron has no opinions of it's own. Only misinformed invective.

 

[AuroraLens]

I always find it amusing when the "family values christians" defend their religious beliefs on a porn site.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Good luck. NeverEndingMoron has no opinions of it's own. Only misinformed invective.

dude, did you get new wheels for the home yet? obama loves you now drink your cuckold juice

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

You're a broken record still stuck on St-st-st-stupid, NeverEndingMoron...

Obviously you have some sort of learning disability. I've explained, several times now, that I own two homes. Neither of which are of the mobile variety so prevalent in your neighborhood. A concrete block home in Orlando which is currently rented out to my younger sister, and a very nice 5 bedroom 4 bath wood frame home sitting on 3/4 of an acre in an affluent suburb here in New Jersey.

Speaking of your home though. Have you given up your federally subsidized (socialist welfare) flood insurance and taken personal responsibility for your housing location yet? I mean, it's pretty damned hypocritical of you to spew hatred toward "those people on welfare" while collecting federal assistance yourself because of something completely in your control.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

UD and the derp patrol

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

So that would be a no then on you taking personal responsibility and getting yourself off of the Socialist Federally subsidized flood insurance..

I can't say that I'm surprised. Actual personal responsibility is anathema to the "right". They just like to talk about it.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

So that would be a no then on you taking personal responsibility and getting yourself off of the Socialist Federally subsidized flood insurance..

I can't say that I'm surprised. Actual personal responsibility is anathema to the "right". They just like to talk about it.

you should join NASCAR as you have no idea how to make a right or be right. you post derp and are clearly a functional liar. I'm confident that you do own a house on wheels as your insanity will keep you from a real job

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

NASCAR is entertainment for the GOP base, Joe twelve-pack. How anyone can stand to watch cars go round and round for hours is beyond me.

As for my job. Do you have any idea what an Assistant Director of Engineering in Midtown Manhattan makes per year? Of course you don't.. You know nothing.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

NASCAR is entertainment for the GOP base, Joe twelve-pack. How anyone can stand to watch cars go round and round for hours is beyond me.

As for my job. Do you have any idea what an Assistant Director of Engineering in Midtown Manhattan makes per year? Of course you don't.. You know nothing.

and what company is this at?

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

and what company is this at?

Hah.. Like I'd divulge that information on a porn message board.. You really are fucking stupid aren't you?

 

[NeverEndingMe]

NASCAR is entertainment for the GOP base, Joe twelve-pack. How anyone can stand to watch cars go round and round for hours is beyond me.

As for my job. Do you have any idea what an Assistant Director of Engineering in Midtown Manhattan makes per year? Of course you don't.. You know nothing.

so we agree that you are always wrong as you stated, you can't be right!

 

[Adorie]

Ive learned...to stay off politics boards..soooooooooooooo

Just reading

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Ive learned...to stay off politics boards..soooooooooooooo

Just reading

but its so much fun! the obama kind are easy targets ... just don't tell them they are kind of slow as they hate that

 

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[Ulaven_Demorte]

Sanitary engineers are in big demand in downtown Manhattan.

They aren't really, you can't swing a cat in NYC without hitting a plumber's crack.

The closest I've gotten to that sort of work in a decade has been plunging my toilet at home.

Truth has never been your strong suit. So much for that integrity you claimed to have. You must have gotten that idea from the same place that told you about your "over 130 IQ"...

Still looking for a replacement for Koala? miles isn't measuring up that you have to court NeverEndingMoron?

Then again, NEM is just about your intellectual speed Double Digit.

 

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[someoneyouknow]

Our idiotic President, his Islamic sympathies notwithstanding, as well as the shameful ignorance of his slobbering sycophants, the nine Crusades beginning in 1095 were a reaction of Western Civilization to centuries of atrocities committed against Christians by the barbarous hordes of Muhammad and his successors.

Islamic sympathies? Strike one for continuing to repeat a lie.

Despite Obama's Rubber Man reach 920 years into the past to allege a moral and historical equivalency between Christianity and the atrocities of Isis and radical Islam of today; the glaring truth of today is, Islam is the only major religion who's adherents are on the march, seizing territory and murdering huge numbers of people in the name of God.

Today, yes, Islam is the only major religion to be on the move. But that wasn't what the President meant. He was reminding people of Christianity's past where it did the exact same thing that Islam is doing today.

Strike two.

Oh and Obama's claim that "Jim Crow," the century long imposition of segregation of blacks by Democrat racists was administered in the name of Christ, is preposterous.

Try again. Christianity was most certainly behind Jim Crow laws. In regards to Theodore Bilbo, former Governor Mississippi:

In a chapter called “False Concepts of the Christian Religion,” he continued the point, arguing that God had placed the races in different parts of the Earth in order to keep them separate, and citing scriptural passages — “a bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord…” — to support the importance of that separation. And, though he claims that he bears no ill will toward the other races, he makes clear that he knows that separate does not mean equal.

http://time.com/3698777/obama-prayer-breakfast-jim-crow/

Still further from the Jim Crow Museum of Racist Memorabilia at Ferris State University:

Many Christian ministers and theologians taught that whites were the Chosen people, blacks were cursed to be servants, and God supported racial segregation.

http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/what.htm

Strike three. You're outta here!

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Your own plumbers crack is showing, you rail against my presence in this thread, not recalling you were here first.

You're the one sucking up to NeverEndingMoron champ. I'm making fun of the pair of you for being clueless idiots.

Fish in a barrel though really.

 

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[phrodeau]

Strike three in your case. Jesus Christ was never a terrorist, he terrorized nobody, he authorized nobody to terrorize others in his name. Muhammad on the other hand was a terrorist, he did terrorize the region, and authorized his successors to continue that violence in the name of the religion he created.

There is no moral equivalence between the atrocities of Muhammad and his successors and the Christian response it generated, just as their is no moral equivalence between the aggression of Adolf Hitler and the righteous defense of liberty by the allies that took him down.

Muhammad was a military leader. If that means "terrorist" to you, what do you call your superiors in Vietnam?

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Strike three in your case. Jesus Christ was never a terrorist, he terrorized nobody, he authorized nobody to terrorize others in his name. Muhammad on the other hand was a terrorist, he did terrorize the region, and authorized his successors to continue that violence in the name of the religion he created.

There is no moral equivalence between the atrocities of Muhammad and his successors and the Christian response it generated, just as their is no moral equivalence between the aggression of Adolf Hitler and the righteous defense of liberty by the allies that took him down.

Nobody said that Jesus was a terrorist, idiot. Many of his followers however..

As Ghandi said "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

There’s no question that crusaders were sometimes driven to slaughter non-Christian civilian populations both in Europe and in southwest Asia, all in the name of religion.

The Inquisition led to the execution of many people guilty – at most – of thought crimes. Christianity has been regularly and explicitly used to justify colonization, slavery, cultural destruction and racial discrimination. These are simply undisputed facts, and if they make you uncomfortable, it’s worth thinking about why.

Reminding people about ugly moments in the history of Christianity does not make one anti-Christian. Comparing the Jordanian pilot who was burned to death by Isis militants to the public burning of Jesse Washington in Waco, Texas does not make one un-American. To acknowledge such comparisons instead gives the moral authority to call out other acts of violence and atrocity being justified using religion.

As far as Mohammed being a terrorist. If you bothered to actually research his life you would know that he was persecuted in much the same way as early followers of Christianity. His attempts to convert the pagan polytheistic population of Mecca landed him and a number of his followers in prison. Others were stoned to death, covered in dirt while they tried to pray, beaten with sticks, and refused service by merchants. After escaping from prison he was asked to lead the town of Yahtrib (now Medina) where he forged 5 tribes (three of which were Jewish) into an orderly confederation which eventually took over neighboring Mecca.