If a man says NO to his wife's/GF's requests for sex, it's called ABUSE.

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No, srsly, feminists are now defining refusing to give a woman sex as abuse. You can probably go to jail for that, or you will in the next revision of the Violence Against Women Act.

http://divorcesupport.about.com/od/abusiverelationships/a/pa_sex.htm

http://www.hiddenhurt.co.uk/subtle_sexual_abuse.html

Withholding Sex and Affection

The sexual controller does not just demand or force sexual acts, but is just as likely to withhold sexual intercourse or intimacy. It might be conditional on our behaviour or on our participating in certain sexual acts with which we do not feel comfortable. He will also withhold affection in the form of just cuddling or kissing unless it leads to sex. It is either sexual intercourse or nothing. Or he will tell us we are a tease for wanting affection without it automatically leading to intercourse, leaving us feeling guilty. Refusing intimacy is a form of subtle sexual abuse because it is a way controlling sex - it is the flip side of demanding sex.

They will refuse our sexual advances. He has to be in control of sex, when, where and what takes place. He will also call us a whore for being sexual creature and wanting that sexual intimacy. He is also telling us that our sexual needs, desires and preferences are of no value.

Withholding affection, intimacy and intercourse from us not only attacks our feelings of self worth, but also leave us open to more coerced sexual acts. In our need and desire for intimacy we are more likely to agree to sexual acts we would under normal circumstances have refused.
Mind you, if a woman refuses sex for any reason, it's called feminism in action.

If a guy does it, it's called abuse.

Don't worry, male feminists, if this confuses you, that's understandable. Most of you only know about sex via sex ed anyways. :cool:
 
Actually neither site says that.

The first site deals with passive aggressive feelings. In fact, the word abuse is never mentioned in the article.

The other site is complete and total bullshit. It also does not mention men withholding sex it says the "sexual controller" no gender specified.

You may want to actually read the bullshit you post.
 
dan don't even try to act like you know anything about sex.

This is way above your pay grade, your scholastic grade, and every other grade you can possibly imagine.
 
Your thread title confuses me....why would say no to his wifes Gf's request for sex...sounds fun to me
 
dan don't even try to act like you know anything about sex.

This is way above your pay grade, your scholastic grade, and every other grade you can possibly imagine.

You posted the articles it's not my fault it doesn't say what you want it to say.

Did you have a nice vacation? Did your balls drop yet?
 
Your thread title confuses me....why would say no to his wifes Gf's request for sex...sounds fun to me
For the same reason a woman would say no to her husband or boyfriend when they want sex.

Oh wait, you don't know what wife's/GF's means? It means "Wife's or Girlfriend's"... there's a limit to the amount of text you can put into a title on here. :rolleyes:

The article says that this is abuse... but only when a man does it.
 
http://hr.umich.edu/stopabuse/resources/definitions.html
Sexual violence
Examples of sexual violence include: discounting the partner's feelings regarding sex; criticizing the partner sexually; touching the partner sexually in inappropriate and uncomfortable ways; withholding sex and affection; always demanding sex; forcing partner to strip as a form of humiliation (maybe in front of children), to witness sexual acts, to participate in uncomfortable sex or sex after an episode of violence, to have sex with other people; and using objects and/or weapons to hurt during sex or threats to back up demands for sex.
withholding sex and affection is sexual violence.
Consent culture is the new misogyny.
 
I think you need to read that a few more times.

It isn't saying any man anywhere saying no to sex is abuse, it's talking about a specific power play that either partner could use to manipulate and control the other sexually. - That is a form of abuse. Not just saying no.
 
http://hr.umich.edu/stopabuse/resources/definitions.html

withholding sex and affection is sexual violence.
Consent culture is the new misogyny.

You're looking at "withholding" as just saying no, but there's a lot more to it than that. Withholding is a term for a tactic used to control your partner, where you won't have sex until you get what you want, or you won't have sex because you want to punish or manipulate your partner. Just saying no is not withholding.

What's it's saying is that telling your girlfriend "I'm not giving you sex/affection until you give me a blowjob" even if you know she doesn't want to do it, is abuse. Among other scenarios, that are mentioned in your article.
 
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I think you need to read that a few more times.

It isn't saying any man anywhere saying no to sex is abuse, it's talking about a specific power play that either partner could use to manipulate and control the other sexually. - That is a form of abuse. Not just saying no.

I don't know why but as I read that the line from the song came into my head..."There is no sex in my violence..."

I think withholding is always wrong. If there are some resentments, they need to be addressed, but if one is holding on to resentments to justify withholding, just end it.
 
You're looking at "withholding" as just saying no
Because when the courts interpret a man's actions, that's exactly what it will be seen as. He said no, it's got to be because of some nefarious intent because as everyone knows men are always horny (and plenty of people on here said exactly this very same thing to justify women raping underaged boys) so if a guy refuses sex it's got to be due to manipulation ergo abuse ergo sexual violence.

That's how feminism works. That's how the legal system works. That's literally what the Duluth Model of Domestic Violence - the de facto domestic violence law of the land - says. Take that straight to the bank, every LAST man who says no to sex with his gf/wife and who actually winds up in court over it, will be accused of manipulation / abuse / sexual violence by the prosecutor, the prosecutor is literally NOT DOING THEIR JOB if they don't exaggerate like that. And they will ONLY ever do this to a man. Do not bet your hard earned cash against that outcome.

but there's a lot more to it than that. Withholding is a term for a tactic used to control your partner, where you won't have sex until you get what you want, or you won't have sex because you want to punish or manipulate your partner. Just saying no is not withholding.
Let a woman take that shit to court. By the time it gets to the judge, the guy merely saying no WILL get overblown into "I won't have sex until I get what I want" - a term which, mind you, could mean practically anything. "I don't feel like having sex because you keep pissing on me for not being able to find a job" BAM SEXUAL VIOLENCE GO TO JAIL GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL DO NOT PASS GO DO NOT COLLECT $200 and you damned well better believe every feminist judge on Earth (and a lot who aren't) will interpret it that way because, well, everyone knows men are evil and dangerous.

Meanwhile, you will never live to hear of a case where a woman actually says "I won't have sex until I get what I want" because why? Because unlike a man, she has a right to control her own body and she has a right to control who has sex with her, and no court in the entire Western World will bring that into question.

What's it's saying is that telling your girlfriend "I'm not giving you sex/affection until you give me a blowjob" even if you know she doesn't want to do it, is abuse. Among other scenarios, that are mentioned in your article.
You will die of old age

your children will die of old age

before a woman saying "I'm not giving you sex/affection until you eat my pussy" is put in jail for sexual violence or abuse in any Western court.

Call me a misogynist all you want, but do NOT bet actual money on any woman getting called an abuser by a court of law for that.
 
Because when the courts interpret a man's actions, that's exactly what it will be seen as. He said no, it's got to be because of some nefarious intent because as everyone knows men are always horny (and plenty of people on here said exactly this very same thing to justify women raping underaged boys) so if a guy refuses sex it's got to be due to manipulation ergo abuse ergo sexual violence.

That's how feminism works. That's how the legal system works. That's literally what the Duluth Model of Domestic Violence - the de facto domestic violence law of the land - says. Take that straight to the bank, every LAST man who says no to sex with his gf/wife and who actually winds up in court over it, will be accused of manipulation / abuse / sexual violence by the prosecutor, the prosecutor is literally NOT DOING THEIR JOB if they don't exaggerate like that. And they will ONLY ever do this to a man. Do not bet your hard earned cash against that outcome.


Let a woman take that shit to court. By the time it gets to the judge, the guy merely saying no WILL get overblown into "I won't have sex until I get what I want" - a term which, mind you, could mean practically anything. "I don't feel like having sex because you keep pissing on me for not being able to find a job" BAM SEXUAL VIOLENCE GO TO JAIL GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL DO NOT PASS GO DO NOT COLLECT $200 and you damned well better believe every feminist judge on Earth (and a lot who aren't) will interpret it that way because, well, everyone knows men are evil and dangerous.

Meanwhile, you will never live to hear of a case where a woman actually says "I won't have sex until I get what I want" because why? Because unlike a man, she has a right to control her own body and she has a right to control who has sex with her, and no court in the entire Western World will bring that into question.


You will die of old age

your children will die of old age

before a woman saying "I'm not giving you sex/affection until you eat my pussy" is put in jail for sexual violence or abuse in any Western court.

Call me a misogynist all you want, but do NOT bet actual money on any woman getting called an abuser by a court of law for that.


I'm not calling you anything, I was just clarifying the way the term "withholding" is used in this context.

I've been with girls who were like that. They were sexually manipulative in many ways, and withheld sex as punishment or just a way to control me. That was abuse, sexual and emotional. Anyone is capable of it.
 
I'm not calling you anything, I was just clarifying the way the term "withholding" is used in this context.

I've been with girls who were like that. They were sexually manipulative in many ways, and withheld sex as punishment or just a way to control me. That was abuse, sexual and emotional. Anyone is capable of it.
Yes, and as I said, if you tried to take that to court? She's a female, and the actual judges and jury who decide the outcomes of these cases would not see her as guilty of abuse.
 
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