Feminists, please stop blaming the PATRIARCHY for prejudices against battered men

[LJ_Reloaded]

https://31.media.tumblr.com/7296eb8da082a548fd9f39ea81292d5c/tumblr_inline_nglz8bp6oW1ri344e.jpg
Ever notice how whenever the subject of violence by women against men comes up, feminists either

1. cheer the abusive woman (see here where a feminist woman pumps her fist at a woman abusing a man and then later explains that she thinks he probably had it coming)
2. mock male victims
3. “but violence against men isn’t serious" and other acts of downplaying the issue of female perpetrators and male victims
4. call for the law to be more lenient toward violent women
5. demand the abolishment of prisons for women
6. disrupt real life forums about battered men
7. create propaganda that defines domestic violence as something only men can do - and this sexist propaganda is now enshrined as law, which makes it institutionalized sexism.
8. threaten violence against women who advocate for battered men

Here’s what feminists never do:

• Come to the man’s aid
• Castigate the abusive woman
• Protest her lenient sentence
• Call out feminists who mock and verbally attack abused men

If you are a male victim of domestic violence, there is no feminist organization around that will stand up for you or against your abuser.
And yet they say they are about equality and helping men, too. Feminists have the nerve to say one thing, do the exact opposite, then demand that men come to their aid while blaming the patriarchy for why male victims are treated so poorly. Yet you can clearly see documented proof of feminists making fun of male victims.
This should remind you of something.
https://31.media.tumblr.com/ac2d447d6a6f7694aad20de323e7b178/tumblr_inline_ngm364mYFz1ri344e.jpg
Male victims are on their own - and as you can see, feminists of today are dedicated to preserving this status quo. Even while they are saying they’re against the status quo.
https://31.media.tumblr.com/9d9115c2c9442dec273ebec11c15e4fe/tumblr_inline_ngm5jomwTl1ri344e.gif
https://31.media.tumblr.com/c8d9d3449f4596dd2f8ffca8d0221c00/tumblr_inline_ngm5tviiME1ri344e.jpg
Judge them by their deeds, not their words.

 

[ArminasAnarchy]

Uh...

Do you not hear (read) yourself?

There are millions of feminists. Moreover, they are from a variety of political positions etc. How can they possibly all be as you describe?

Men may also be feminist. Are you suggesting they would support the position you describe too?

Here in the UK, the centre-right party is called the Tory party. Tory women are apparently feminist (I disagree with that label, since I don't think you can advocate gender equality without advocating class equality also, but let's run with it for the sake of argument). Whilst they aren't as right wing as US Republicans, they're still right wing enough to proclaim things like 'Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime', and have an obsession with punishment instead of rehabilitation. They are therefore likely to do exactly what you've said they wouldn't. Also, the last woman to be hanged in the UK, was hanged after shooting her abusive partner - despite pleas for clemency.

Conversly, left and centre-left parties advocate reform. I'd suggest that most feminists are in this camp, so even if we accept what you're saying - and don't dismiss it as over-generalised, sensationalised twaddle - then they'll be advocating relaxed sentences for everyone, women included.

Finally, the patriarchy, I suppose, is ill defined. For the sake of argument, I'm not going to talk about that, but a lack of gender equality (and a male dominated society). Are you seriously trying to argue that this does not exist? How many world leaders are female? I've no idea about US statistics, but again, here in the UK only about a third of parliamentary representatives (MPs) are women. This is despite commitments (at least by Labour, the centre-left party) to support AWS (all women shortlists for candidate selection) and 50% of the cabinet as women. I think the stats for female CEO of FTSE 100 companies is 10% or less. There are some glimmers of light - women outperform men academically, and are now actually over-represented in the higher-education sector, but we're still not an equal society.

For the record, I'm male.

 

[Jennifer]

Where did you get your data that men are severely beaten by wife or girlfriend every 14.6 seconds?

That statistic is for women who are abused by men. For men, it is very 37.8 seconds.
Almost two and one half times less.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Do you not hear (read) yourself?

There are millions of feminists. Moreover, they are from a variety of political positions etc. How can they possibly all be as you describe?

Men may also be feminist. Are you suggesting they would support the position you describe too?

Male feminists support that position even moreso. Look at the ABC news video I posted - the cop, a dude, supported the idea that a woman hitting a man is trivial.

Here in the UK, the centre-right party is called the Tory party. Tory women are apparently feminist (I disagree with that label, since I don't think you can advocate gender equality without advocating class equality also, but let's run with it for the sake of argument). Whilst they aren't as right wing as US Republicans, they're still right wing enough to proclaim things like 'Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime', and have an obsession with punishment instead of rehabilitation. They are therefore likely to do exactly what you've said they wouldn't. Also, the last woman to be hanged in the UK, was hanged after shooting her abusive partner - despite pleas for clemency.

Okay so who is it that's telling judges to be lenient toward women criminals?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-told-be-more-lenient-to-women-criminals.html

Conversly, left and centre-left parties advocate reform. I'd suggest that most feminists are in this camp, so even if we accept what you're saying - and don't dismiss it as over-generalised, sensationalised twaddle - then they'll be advocating relaxed sentences for everyone, women included.

Please show me where feminists are asking for relaxed sentences for men as well as women. I have shown you documented evidence of feminists asking for reduced sentences for women ONLY.

If you're going to come back at me with this, at least provide citations. I've done that much to back up my statements.

Finally, the patriarchy, I suppose, is ill defined. For the sake of argument, I'm not going to talk about that, but a lack of gender equality (and a male dominated society). Are you seriously trying to argue that this does not exist?

Yes, I am, seeing as I live in a country where women can and do vote.

However we do have the Republican Party, which is absolutely Patriarchal. Any crusade against patriarchy must aim its stake directly at their undead hearts. The rest of America has killed and buried it.

How many world leaders are female? I've no idea about US statistics, but again, here in the UK only about a third of parliamentary representatives (MPs) are women. This is despite commitments (at least by Labour, the centre-left party) to support AWS (all women shortlists for candidate selection) and 50% of the cabinet as women. I think the stats for female CEO of FTSE 100 companies is 10% or less. There are some glimmers of light - women outperform men academically, and are now actually over-represented in the higher-education sector, but we're still not an equal society.

For the record, I'm male.

Women have the right to vote. If they want more women in office they can easily vote them in. What you're basically saying is that women are doing it all wrong?

Now I'm gonna ask...

What feminists have ever
Physically come to a battered man’s aid
Castigated an abusive woman
Protested her lenient sentence
Called out feminists who mock and verbally attack abused men
?

Anyone?

 

[Jennifer]

I am still waiting for you to answer my question. Anyone?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Where did you get your data that men are severely beaten by wife or girlfriend every 14.6 seconds?

That statistic is for women who are abused by men. For men, it is very 37.8 seconds.
Almost two and one half times less.

"But what about the wimmenz!"
Yet another feminist trying to ignore male victims of domestic violence.

Let's see now...
http://www.mndaily.com/opinion/columns/2013/10/20/silenced-minority

http://www.mndaily.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/node_image_full/images/graphics/2013/10/20/10.21_edops.jpg

5,365,000 men are battered yearly.

So let's do the math on that.
60 seconds times 60 minutes per hour times 24 hours per day times 365 days in a year that comes out to 31,536,000 seconds in a year.

5,365,000 men battered every 31,536,000 seconds comes out to one man battered every 5.87 seconds according to gender-neutral standards of battery.

Oh but wait for it... you also ignored the cited statistics that show LESBIANS are battered at a proportion equal to hetero women.

This is the last time I will pay attention to your "what about teh wimmenz!" crybabying. America already crusades for women. It's called the Violence Against Women Act.

There's no law to protect battered men. And no feminists who give a damn about them. However, feminists do cheer on women who batter.

https://31.media.tumblr.com/9d9115c2c9442dec273ebec11c15e4fe/tumblr_inline_ngm5jomwTl1ri344e.gif

Cat got your tongue about that one, didn't it?

 

[Jennifer]

"But what about the wimmenz!"
Yet another feminist trying to ignore male victims of domestic violence.

Let's see now...
http://www.mndaily.com/opinion/columns/2013/10/20/silenced-minority

http://www.mndaily.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/node_image_full/images/graphics/2013/10/20/10.21_edops.jpg

5,365,000 men are battered yearly.

So let's do the math on that.
60 seconds times 60 minutes per hour times 24 hours per day times 365 days in a year that comes out to 31,536,000 seconds in a year.

5,365,000 men battered every 31,536,000 seconds comes out to one man battered every 5.87 seconds according to gender-neutral standards of battery.

Oh but wait for it... you also ignored the cited statistics that show LESBIANS are battered at a proportion equal to hetero women.

This is the last time I will pay attention to your "what about teh wimmenz!" crybabying. America already crusades for women. It's called the Violence Against Women Act.

There's no law to protect battered men. And no feminists who give a damn about them. However, feminists do cheer on women who batter.

https://31.media.tumblr.com/9d9115c2c9442dec273ebec11c15e4fe/tumblr_inline_ngm5jomwTl1ri344e.gif

Cat got your tongue about that one, didn't it?

Nope-no cat.
I merely asked you where you got your data shown in the first image of your post. The one of the man with the black eye. I never asked you for anything other than your source. That is all. I never asked about lesbians, I never asked about the Violence Against Women Act. I never said that I was a feminist. I have never cheered about anyone who batters another person.

I very simply asked you one quesiton: Where did you obtain the facts provided by your first posted image. No more and no less.
Your image demonstrated erroneous information and I would like to know the source so that I may contact them to let them know they are incorrect.

No more and no less.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Nope-no cat.
I merely asked you where you got your data shown in the first image of your post. The one of the man with the black eye. I never asked you for anything other than your source. That is all. I never asked about lesbians, I never asked about the Violence Against Women Act. I never said that I was a feminist. I have never cheered about anyone who batters another person.

I very simply asked you one quesiton: Where did you obtain the facts provided by your first posted image. No more and no less.
Your image demonstrated erroneous information and I would like to know the source so that I may contact them to let them know they are incorrect.

No more and no less.

Then go tell them and I hope they tell you to bugger off. You don't have anything to counter them with.

This thread is about battered men. And the tactics that feminists use to dismiss them. One of which you just demonstrated.

Thanks for making my point for me.

 

[Jennifer]

Then go tell them and I hope they tell you to bugger off. You don't have anything to counter them with.

This thread is about battered men. And the tactics that feminists use to dismiss them. One of which you just demonstrated.

Thanks for making my point for me.

How is pointing out wrong information a tactic used by me to dismiss battered men?
Why would I dismiss battered men when I clearly stated in my earlier post that no one has the right to put their hands on another person in the name of violence or abuse.

Stop twisting my words. Your agenda does not need misinformation in order to push it forward. It needs clear, concise facts and veracity. Your first image lacked veracity.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

How is pointing out wrong information a tactic used by me to dismiss battered men?

The assertion I made was correct. I provided citations. Your posts fall PERFECTLY under #3 on my feminist response list. We're done here until you find citations that disprove what I've provided.

 

[ArminasAnarchy]

Male feminists support that position even moreso. Look at the ABC news video I posted - the cop, a dude, supported the idea that a woman hitting a man is trivial.

You, are, again, quoting case studies. One guy. You've got enough morons and Tea Party activists in the States to see the massive logical gaps in that, surely.

Okay so who is it that's telling judges to be lenient toward women criminals?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-told-be-more-lenient-to-women-criminals.html

You have (again) shown me case studies. By an irrelevant body (at least, I've never heard of them - they're not the Law Society, for instance?). It is not national policy.

Please show me where feminists are asking for relaxed sentences for men as well as women. I have shown you documented evidence of feminists asking for reduced sentences for women ONLY.

Taken from the Green Party's justice policy document:

"Sentencing

CJ340 Wholly unacceptable levels of men, women and children are currently imprisoned at great cost to their future rehabilitation, as well as to their families, the taxpayer and society in general. The Green Party is therefore committed to significantly reducing the prison population. To that end, a range of measures will be used, including changes to sentencing policy and practice."

http://policy.greenparty.org.uk/cj.html

If you're going to come back at me with this, at least provide citations. I've done that much to back up my statements.

I didn't make any specific assertions (e.g. relating to opinoon or an article) that needed them. You know how to Google, and all the concepts were vague enough for you to come up with stuff yourself substantiating what I said.

Yes, I am, seeing as I live in a country where women can and do vote.

However we do have the Republican Party,

Democrats are not known for being left wing, but carrying on...

...which is absolutely Patriarchal. Any crusade against patriarchy must aim its stake directly at their undead hearts. The rest of America has killed and buried it.

This is the patriarchy which was previously portrayed as some sort of feminist conspiracy, right?

Women have the right to vote. If they want more women in office they can easily vote them in. What you're basically saying is that women are doing it all wrong?

You're assuming the power to vote is some sort of omnipotence. It is not. And what about in other things? Has there EVER been a female nomination for US president? What about board directors, for instance - no voting exists for them at all?
Furthermore, as a member of society, is it not willful ignorance to wash your hands of the problem of equality and label it as purely an 'issue for women'? Since we all live in our societies, it is encumbent upon us all to fix the problems. Underrepresentation is a problem.

Now I'm gonna ask...

What feminists have ever
Physically come to a battered man’s aid
Castigated an abusive woman
Protested her lenient sentence
Called out feminists who mock and verbally attack abused men
?

Anyone?

As has already been pointed out, your asking absurd questions. There are millions of interactions every day by millions of feminists. On a statistical argument alone, it has almost certainly happened. Quoting case studies, relevant or not, is meaningless. It's anecdotal evidence. There's a reason the scientific method rejects this, and that's what I'm doing here. It shouldn't be so difficult to understand.

 

[dan_c00000]

One thing about your alleged 14.6 seconds "fact".

It's complete bullshit using a completely flawed methodology he created to fit his agenda.

"Researchers using the CTS ask survey respondents about an assortment of specific acts of violence. What the CTS doesn't ask about are the causes, contexts, or consequences of these acts of violence.

As a result, one critic notes, the CTS "equates a woman pushing a man in self-defense to a man pushing a woman down the stairs. It labels a mother as violent if she defends her daughter from the father's sexual molestation. It combines categories such as "hitting" and "trying to hit" despite the important difference between them. Because it looks at only one year, this study equates a single slap by a woman to a man's 15 year history of domestic terrorism."

You can read more on reality here and here. But you won't because like Paul Elam and his buddies online you're a piece of shit.

 

[Kitty]

http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/kanyeblink.gif

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

You, are, again, quoting case studies.

Okay, then show me something that counters that.

You can't.

But then you want to bury the issue of male victims of domestic violence. I'm deleting the crap you wrote below specifically because I'm STOPPING you from derailing this discussion.

This is about how feminists ignore, downplay or try to distract attention away from male victims of domestic violence. And you are a prime example.

And feminists do not come to the aid of male victims of battering. They make fun of them, they dismiss them, they derail the discussion, but they never come to these men's aid. Feminists are NOT about equality.

Good day.

 

[dan_c00000]

Okay, then show me something that counters that.

You can't.

But I did and you ignored it like you always do.

Anyway, how's your dating life been? It's probably still just existing in your feeble, tiny-dicked mind, right?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

http://i.imgur.com/mTlncrB.jpg

Don't you wish that guy was you, dan_c00000?

The more beatings you get the better a feminist you are!

 

[Magnetron]

Does anyone have the phone number of the woman who left LJ so damaged?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Does anyone have the phone number of the woman who left LJ so damaged?

Does anyone have the phone number of the woman that left a mangina like you so brain dead?