2014 Negro Hunting Season in Missouri

[Arianthe]

Good article.

It won't help.

Much better discussion to be having then the false narrative that cops go around shooting people of any color without at least believing they are at risk.

Sean Renaud had a good point that it may well be that cops perceive a black suspect to be more of a risk with all other factors being equal.

Of course it's not going to help. We have the same kind of systemic discrimination here in Australia, though obviously not on the same scale. At the same time, we don't have the scale of problems (gangs, drugs, crime) many people in the US use to justify their racism. While there's no quick fix, the problem doesn't appear to be so entrenched here and as a society we are quietly making progress. From the outside, the US looks like it's going backwards.

From my point of view, the obvious solution appears to be removing guns, but I can't see that ever happening.

 

[Que]

Of course it's not going to help. We have the same kind of systemic discrimination here in Australia, though obviously not on the same scale. At the same time, we don't have the scale of problems (gangs, drugs, crime) many people in the US use to justify their racism. While there's no quick fix, the problem doesn't appear to be so entrenched here and as a society we are quietly making progress. From the outside, the US looks like it's going backwards.

From my point of view, the obvious solution appears to be removing guns, but I can't see that ever happening.

Without guns the officer might have been beat to death.

 

[adventrkupl]

From the outside, the US looks like it's going backwards.

Good observation. We elected a president who divides the country instead of unites it. That has become quite clear as you have pointed out.

 

[Que]

Good observation. We elected a president who divides the country instead of unites it. That has become quite clear as you have pointed out.

It is important to the coalition that the Democratic Party has put together. Despite their being on the wrong side of history in every bit of progress made by blacks in this country, they have manged to co-opt the civil rights struggle after the fact and re-brand themselves as the saviors of blacks.

It is critical that they sow discord so there will be a continued perceived need for their paternalistic ownership of the black vote. The black vote is becoming statistically less and less relevant but the whole guilty white demographic is becoming more and more important.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Some stuff from earlier:

then i must be a troll at heart, because i was waiting to see the evidence too.

leaping to lynch mob mode doesn't make a person more moral.
i prefer the steady plod of justice (though I've little faith in the American version of it).

yes, some people use it as a gambit. but plenty of people simply see it as the reasonable and rational option.

Then you truly do not know what America has become.

The story is that we are the most racist and xenophobic nation on the face of the earth, bar none, and that white people are terrified of brown people and foreigners coming to take their privilege away from them and thus hide behind their Bibles and guns with a shoot to kill first redneck cowboy attitude and and then make up the excuse later. They heard that first story, a young boy, gunned down, executed in cold blood while surrendering (or while running away in terror from a guy decked out in surplus military gear just dying to use it on the black community) to an out-of-control white vigilante cop and it matched the story that they repeat to themselves each and every day, twice in election season and they knew it was true in their hearts and in their minds. Anything that subsequently emerges to counter the story is whitey's hate, lies, and attempts to blame the victim...

Facts no longer matter, which is what I said on Day One.

The only thing that matters is the story. The story fits the memorized meme and once adopted and accepted by the consensus nothing will change the story and nothing will shake the foundations of faith. So what if the document is forged, the story is true.

This is another victory for the Democrat party. All across this nation they have preserved and stoked the embers of division and hate and they sit waiting for some gasoline in order to produce a "See, we told you so moment" the self fulfilling prophecy of a polity of division, of good and bad, of victims and oppressors.

The only true victims in this passion play are the True Believers and the only true oppressors are those who created the backdrop and wrote the story in order to muster and maintain political power.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

A rapper tweeted that he didn’t have to watch Taylor Swift’s new music video to know it was offensive and promoted racial stereotypes — apparently not realizing that making assumptions about her video without watching it could also be considered stereotyping.

“Havent watched the taylor swift video and I don’t need to watch it to tell you that it’s inherently offensive and ultimately harmful,” Earl Sweatshirt tweeted on Monday, the day of the “Shake It Off” video release.

“Perpetuating black stereotypes to the same demographic of white girls who hide their prejudice by proclaiming their love of the culture,” he continued.

“For instance, those of you who are afraid of black people but love that in 2014 it’s ok for you to be trill or twerk or say n***a.”

Swift has been accused of racism by others on Twitter over the use of twerking and other hip-hop dancing in the video.

Some said it is is racist that mainly black dancers perform the hip-hop moves in the video because that is stereotyping. Conversely, others have said it is racist that she performs hip-hop moves in the video because those are “black” moves and she is white.

Katherine Timpf, NRO

They just "know" the story is true...

 

[Lancecastor]

Grand Jury begins...expected to take "weeks".

CLAYTON, Mo.—St. Louis County prosecutors on Wednesday began a weekslong process of presenting evidence to a grand jury in the police shooting of an unarmed black teenager that has sparked more than a week of unrest in Ferguson, Mo.

A few demonstrators gathered at the county courthouse Wednesday morning, after a mostly quiet night of marches Tuesday that were punctuated by clashes with a few demonstrators. At a news conference at 2 a.m. Wednesday, police said they had made 47 arrests over the course of the day and night.

Interesting how the police announce Arrests made in the previous day....does anyone know the total count of arrested protesters so far?

At this rate, a weeks long grand jury will rack up arrests nearing the total wounded in the years in Afghanistan.

 

[Arianthe]

Without guns the officer might have been beat to death.

That's true. It's also possible Michael Brown might not be dead.

I'm not sure that's the point though. What is to be gained from me or anyone attempting to judge, on a case by case basis, whether or not every individual police shooting is "righteous"? We already know that kids do dumb shit, people screw up sometimes and humans frequently misinterpret each other's words and body language. The statistics suggest the US has a systemic problem and when a society has a systemic problem it needs to resolve it at a systemic level.

I'm a total outsider. Haven't been to the US in 20 years. I'm not opposed to guns per se , I think I'm reasonably well informed and I'll admit to crossing the street to avoid encountering a bunch of drunk indigenous Australians. So I'm kinda sorta unbiased.

It seems reasonable for police to exercise extreme caution and perhaps take pre-emptive action when they know there is a high chance the person they are dealing with is armed with a gun. They are going to make mistakes occasionally and sometimes unarmed, innocent (or not so innocent) people are going to die as a result. But contrast that with Australia, where the police know that as a general rule, the random person in the street is highly unlikely to be armed with a gun. The police simply aren't so quick to shoot people. The police kill fewer people. The police kill fewer black people.

I'm at a loss to understand why the US seems determined to destroy itself from the inside, simply because many people believe their "right to bear arms" outweighs the collective good of the nation. Principles are all very well, but from where I'm sitting, the entire thing defies logic!

And yes... I'm recklessly sticking my head above the parapet in the GB. If you're going to try and blow it off, at least have the decency to make me laugh.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The cop was beaten to the point of near unconsciousness as we are learning this morning from sources close to the police department.

Perhaps we should outlaw fists...



The gun was not the problem, the attitude was the problem.

 

[Arianthe]

The cop was beaten to the point of near unconsciousness as we are learning this morning from sources close to the police department.

Perhaps we should outlaw fists...



The gun was not the problem, the attitude was the problem.

But.... I like fists!!!

I agree that guns don't kill, people do. The thing is... I wonder whether the "attitude" exists because everyone might be carrying a gun, or lots of people carry a gun because "everyone else" has an "attitude". It's a helluva lot easier (but admittedly still near impossible) to remove the guns than it is to remove the attitude. But at least then you'd know.

 

[Lancecastor]

I like this....

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/21/article-2730229-20ADCFDC00000578-40_634x416.jpg

 

[Arianthe]

I like this....

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/21/article-2730229-20ADCFDC00000578-40_634x416.jpg

Yoink!!!

 

[Lancecastor]

This, not so much.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/20/article-2729598-20AB00BF00000578-288_634x470.jpg

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder met Wednesday with Missouri Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson, the law enforcement officer in command of the police presence on the ground in race riot-torn Ferguson.

'My man! You are the man!' Holder told him at a cafe, according to journalists relaying events via Twitter.


An ABC Radio correspondent tweeted that the 'photo op' meeting was a 'campaign style' stop.

Johnson told Holder that the community is Ferguson was finally 'turning against the criminals. We're rallying against the criminals,' according to a CNN reporter.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...sonal-perspective-Ferguson.html#ixzz3B1tbYOpm
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[4est_4est_Gump]

But.... I like fists!!!

I agree that guns don't kill, people do. The thing is... I wonder whether the "attitude" exists because everyone might be carrying a gun, or lots of people carry a gun because "everyone else" has an "attitude". It's a helluva lot easier (but admittedly still near impossible) to remove the guns than it is to remove the attitude. But at least then you'd know.

I just posted above about the attitude and where it comes from.

White liberal politicians and black race hucksters put chips on the shoulders of their youth and then blame conservatives when they act out and behave as if the world is against them.

Most of us own guns, but most of us do not carry them. I have a freaking arsenal in my safe, but I travel around unarmed. We have conceal and carry permits, but unless it is a special circumstance, we leave our weapons at home. Removing the guns will not change anything when you inculcate your minority children, Hamas-style, that everything bad in their life is because of their race and white privilege.

Like my teacher used to tell me, "Look at all these young bucks laying around blaming the white man for all their problems. All they have to do is get a job! I did. You did."

They do not assume responsibility for their lives and condition because they have been trained, groomed, and exhorted to blame conservative white people, and conservative white people means the cops, who they hate with the same passion as their white and black handlers hated them in the 60s when their philosophies of hate and division were matriculating under the patient guidance of the 50s-style Communists who took over the campuses of our major prestigious colleges.

 

[Lancecastor]

Like my teacher used to tell me, "Look at all these young bucks laying around blaming the white man for all their problems. All they have to do is get a job! I did. You did."

No systemic racism in your upbringing!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

No systemic racism in your upbringing!

It was a wonderful time, John Wayne was king and Rat Patrol was the bomb degree.

We played cowboys and Indians. I had to learn to die every time or get my ass kicked because of my red skin. Then we played WWII and I had to learn to die every time or get my ass kicked because my name was German. Then Judge Clark ordered the schools desegregated and the new black kids kicked my ass for being a wetback, seems we all looked alike to them.

So, yeah, I know a little something about race relations.

They didn't kill me, they made me stronger.

 

[Lancecastor]

polling from Pew Research released on Monday indicates 44 percent of the country (and 37 percent of whites) think that the Michael Brown case "raises important issues about race,"..... but only 22 percent of Republicans do -- and 61 percent think race is getting too much attention in the story.

Why are Republicans more likely to hate negroes?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Why are Republicans more likely to hate negroes?

Because negroes are useless dog shit.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Why are Republicans more likely to hate negroes?

They can't identify with #ThosePeople

In fairness to Republicans, their antipathy is not limited to Negroes....they despise all non-white, non-Christian, non-hetero, non-English speaking folks equally.

Oh, and single women ("sluts") too.

 

[Lancecastor]

They can't identify with #ThosePeople

In fairness to Republicans, their antipathy is not limited to Negroes....they despise all non-white, non-Christian, non-hetero, non-English speaking folks equally.

Oh, and single women ("sluts") too.

I always wondered why Republicans hated immigrants and blacks...after all, Lincoln was a Republican!

But it turns out Lincoln was a liberal moderate Republican, part of a small faction of left Repubs...most Republicans criticized Lincoln for going so "easy' on the south.

Maybe that's why they killed him, a la Kennedy.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I always wondered why Republicans hated immigrants and blacks...after all, Lincoln was a Republican!

But it turns out Lincoln was a liberal moderate Republican, part of a small faction of left Repubs...most Republicans criticized Lincoln for going so "easy' on the south.

Maybe that's why they killed him, a la Kennedy.

Nonsense. Lincoln not only didn't like blacks he authorized his troops to murder slaves who refused emancipation, and shipped plenty of freed slaves to Central and South America for re-sale into slavery. Lincoln reasoned blacks were property according to the Dred Scott law, and confiscated rebel property he could use as he pleased.

I think his death was a conspiracy between the Confederate secret service and the US Government. Lincolns war killed 690,000 men and cost New York bankers about 2 billion in lost loans for the emancipated slaves.

 

[jacktar48]

Nonsense. Lincoln not only didn't like blacks he authorized his troops to murder slaves who refused emancipation, and shipped plenty of freed slaves to Central and South America for re-sale into slavery. Lincoln reasoned blacks were property according to the Dred Scott law, and confiscated rebel property he could use as he pleased.

I think his death was a conspiracy between the Confederate secret service and the US Government. Lincolns war killed 690,000 men and cost New York bankers about 2 billion in lost loans for the emancipated slaves.

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that." Abraham Lincoln, August 22, 1862

 

[Lancecastor]

Thanks for clearing that up...I didn't realize Republicans have always hated negroes.

Nonsense. Lincoln not only didn't like blacks he authorized his troops to murder slaves who refused emancipation, and shipped plenty of freed slaves to Central and South America for re-sale into slavery. Lincoln reasoned blacks were property according to the Dred Scott law, and confiscated rebel property he could use as he pleased.

I think his death was a conspiracy between the Confederate secret service and the US Government. Lincolns war killed 690,000 men and cost New York bankers about 2 billion in lost loans for the emancipated slaves.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Without guns the officer might have been beat to death.

Didn't they have Brown outnumbered?

 

[KingOrfeo]

Nonsense. Lincoln not only didn't like blacks he authorized his troops to murder slaves who refused emancipation, and shipped plenty of freed slaves to Central and South America for re-sale into slavery. Lincoln reasoned blacks were property according to the Dred Scott law, and confiscated rebel property he could use as he pleased.

Cite for any of that? I know Lincoln was a racist, like practically all whites of his time including abolitionists, but the above is very hard to believe.

I think his death was a conspiracy between the Confederate secret service and the US Government. Lincolns war killed 690,000 men and cost New York bankers about 2 billion in lost loans for the emancipated slaves.

So? Killing Lincoln wouldn't get them their money back. Bankers might commit murder for gain, but not for revenge.