2014 Negro Hunting Season in Missouri

[RobDownSouth]

Now you're really reaching. How many females "of color" are shot and killed by cops in the US in a given year?

Yeah, I know. It was a "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" moment.

Had I just said "buried their sons", I'm sure my personal fact checker Queerbait would have said "yew assumed there weren't no women! I WIN!" so I figured to preempt his inevitable #derp I'd make it gender-inclusive.

 

[Ishmael]

From The New Yorker:

Michael Brown’s body was left in the street for hours after he was shot; as far as one can tell from the disjointed details released by the Ferguson and St. Louis County authorities, Wilson did not immediately call the shooting in or try to resuscitate Brown, and no E.M.T.s rushed him to the hospital.



http://www.newyorker.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/BrownAutopsy210-320.jpg

Tough shit. He was dead, dead, dead and the scene was a crime scene. You and the press really ought to learn a bit about police procedures.

Ishmael

 

[RobDownSouth]

I saw that and chose to ignore the perpetually projecting, hyperbolic ascription machine. It amuses me he has these little meaningless hash-tags for things he does in nearly every post. He is always assigning motivations and thoughts to his perceived opponents, as if anyone takes debate with him seriously.

#AscriptionAgain

 

[RobDownSouth]

Tough shit. He was dead, dead, dead and the scene was a crime scene. You and the press really ought to learn a bit about police procedures.

Ishmael

When your dumbass son died after falling off his dirtbike, did the cops leave his crumpled little body lying on the ground like a trophy for a few hours afterwards?

 

[adventrkupl]

Our National News features hard hitting crime stories such as the "break in" through the unlocked back door of Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau's house.

The "perps" apparently left a note urging Justin to lock his doors, but stole nothing.

My local news tallies the weekend's dead from black on black crime.

 

[adventrkupl]

Fox is reporting that the cop in this case was beaten by the dead kid.

The source claims that there is "solid proof" that there was a struggle between Brown and Wilson for the policeman’s firearm, resulting in the gun going off – although it still remains unclear at this stage who pulled the trigger. Brown started to walk away according to the account, prompting Wilson to draw his gun and order him to freeze. Brown, the source said, raised his hands in the air, and turned around saying, "What, you're going to shoot me?"

At that point, the source told FoxNews.com, the 6 foot, 4 inch, 292-pound Brown charged Wilson, prompting the officer to fire at least six shots at him, including the fatal bullet that penetrated the top of Brown's skull, according to an independent autopsy conducted at the request of Brown's family.

 

[jacktar48]

36% a lower representation of their representation of involvement in violent crime. They are also more likely to have contact with police given that they are more likely to live in high-crime, heavy police presence areas.

I spent much of my life wandering around "high-crime" areas, down by the docks. You know what? I felt pretty safe there, because I'm a mean motherfucker, I always carry a weapon, even if it's only a bar of soap in a sock, I don't get drunk and act a fool, and there were never, EVER any cops around there.

Cops don't like to go to "high-crime" areas. It's dangerous. They prefer to hang around harassing people who think they have the right to sight-see in low-crime areas.

They're more like likely to have contact with police because they're black, and they don't know their place, which is on the other side of the tracks where the cops don't give a shit what goes down.

 

[jacktar48]

When your dumbass son died after falling off his dirtbike, did the cops leave his crumpled little body lying on the ground like a trophy for a few hours afterwards?

They were trying to get ahold of a taxidermist.

 

[Que]

I spent much of my life wandering around "high-crime" areas, down by the docks. You know what? I felt pretty safe there, because I'm a mean motherfucker, I don't get drunk and act a fool, and there were never, EVER any cops around there.

Cops don't like to go to "high-crime" areas. It's dangerous. They prefer to hang around harassing people who think they have the right to sight-see in low-crime areas.

They're more like likely to have contact with police because they're black, and they don't know their place, which is on the other side of the tracks where the cops don't give a shit what goes down.

You maybe never see them, they may well be "cooping" but I guarantee you that if you look at personnel tables and district maps for that city there are far more cops assigned to that area. For sure more detectives and auto crimes unit and narcs and vice. You may not see uniforms, but there are definitely more cops. All the little minor nit-picky busts that those guys do not so much to prosecute, but to build a cadre of informants adds to the feeling of harassment that residents in high crime areas feel versus feeling that cops protect them.

 

[jacktar48]

No, it's not cool at all, but most of the time when a cop shoots an unarmed black "kid" it's completely justified.

And of course "most of the time" is good enough. The public pays out the ass for "police protection," and are happy as hell if "most of the time" they don't murder their kids by accident. Or because they're bored. Or stupid. Or incompetent.

 

[Ishmael]

And of course "most of the time" is good enough. The public pays out the ass for "police protection," and are happy as hell if "most of the time" they don't murder their kids by accident. Or because they're bored. Or stupid. Or incompetent.

Every case stands or falls on it's own merits. Broad brushes don't apply.

Ishmael

 

[jacktar48]

You maybe never see them, they may well be "cooping" but I guarantee you that if you look at personnel tables and district maps for that city there are far more cops assigned to that area. For sure more detectives and auto crimes unit and narcs and vice. You may not see uniforms, but there are definitely more cops. All the little minor nit-picky busts that those guys do not so much to prosecute, but to build a cadre of informants adds to the feeling of harassment that residents in high crime areas feel versus feeling that cops protect them.

They might be assigned to that area, but they're not there. They're hanging out somewhere safe. I had to walk ten blocks from the dock in Brooklyn to the nearest subway station one time. Taxis won't go down there either.

I got accosted by a gang of 'Ricans on the way and kept on walking. A few minutes later there were shots fired and a lot of screaming. I kept on walking. When I got to the subway station there were at least 10 uniformed cops down there playing grabass, drinking coffee, and, no shit, eating donuts.

I told them somebody just got shot a couple of blocks down the street. They all looked at me like I was a turd in the punchbowl. No other response whatsoever.

I kept on walking.

The only cop I ever encountered down in the combat zone was some cocksucker dressed like a longshoreman who made me dump my seabag out in the rain so he could see if I had brought any dope back from the Far East. And he was Customs, I believe. Or DEA. A worthless piece of shit, whichever it was.

 

[jacktar48]

Every case stands or falls on it's own merits. Broad brushes don't apply.

Ishmael

The fuck they don't. If those assholes cause more harm than good at public expense, we might as well save the money and take care of ourselves.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Tough shit. He was dead, dead, dead and the scene was a crime scene. You and the press really ought to learn a bit about police procedures.

Ishmael

Paramedics from the sick call arrived almost immediately. Brown was dead. The ME was called, and it often takes hours for a crew to arrive and take custody of the body.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I wasn't even going to address the justified vs unjustified shootings. Even when a cop is cleared, there remains a cloud. Understandably, the family thinks junior would never do anything that might contribute to his demise. I speaking about the issue as iff every four days it is actually an unarmed black kid. The reality is a lot of those 96 shootings a year are during the actual commission of another crime, suicide by cop and other incidents that no one seriously says was improper. A few of those 96 shootings are likely by black officers.



It amuses me when they set up the straight line for you.



I saw that and chose to ignore the perpetually projecting, hyperbolic ascription machine. It amuses me he has these little meaningless hash-tags for things he does in nearly every post. He is always assigning motivations and thoughts to his perceived opponents, as if anyone takes debate with him seriously.

The last time I recall a woman being shot by a cop she was white and deserved it.

We need to stop the game playing and go for the gusto with guns. Maybe create a reservation for blacks in Louisiana, Mississippi, and Arkansas, and give them a year to move there or else.

 

[jacktar48]

We need to stop the game playing and go for the gusto with guns. Maybe create a reservation for blacks in Louisiana, Mississippi, and Arkansas, and give them a year to move there or else.

It would be for their own safety, of course. Because we care.

But I'd suggest that we give them Mexico instead. Just because we don't own it shouldn't matter. It never has in the past.

 

[KingOrfeo]

From HuffPo:

Olivia Cole

The 10 Kinds of Trolls You Will Encounter When Talking About Mike Brown

Posted: 08/19/2014 5:53 pm EDT Updated: 08/19/2014 11:59 pm EDT

If you're paying attention to the events unfolding in Ferguson -- and by God, you better be -- then you probably already know there is a group of people in this country of ours who are determined to change the focus of the conversation about the killing of Mike Brown and the subsequent protests, attempting to shift the lens away from the Constitutional rights of U.S. citizens and the killing of a black teenager. If you're reading this, you probably already know the folks I'm talking about. But here they are. #Staywoke.

The Full-Blown Racist Troll
Block on sight. Some of them are friends of your Facebook friends -- block them. Some of them are your Facebook friends. Many of them are accounts like the one I have screenshotted below: anonymous and relying on blatantly racist language, such as blackface imagery, monkey references, use of the N-word, etc. These have exploded over the last week. We're talking hundreds. I've been using Twitter avidly for years and I can't recall ever seeing quite this much racist bile taking over an event-related hashtag (#Ferguson) as I have this week. Block them and report them for spam immediately.

The "Wait for Evidence" Troll
This troll may or may not be anonymous and pretends to be focused on respecting and upholding the law. "We don't know what happened yet," they say, "wait for evidence before you lambast an officer of the law." They pretend that things like racism, police brutality, police corruption, etc. don't exist and insist that if concrete evidence is released, they will be swayed to feel "sympathy" for Mike Brown. But they won't. When evidence arises, they find objection to its relevance or veracity. They then transform into The "Mike Brown Shouldn't Have [insert human action here]" Troll, to follow.

The "Mike Brown Shouldn't Have [insert human action here]" Troll
This troll (and the others as well) will go great lengths to justify the taking of black life. "He shouldn't have run," "he shouldn't have been sagging," "he shouldn't have been walking down the middle of the street," "he shouldn't have stolen something." These trolls come in all races and will insist that when a police officer (or a homeowner, or a security guard) assaults a person of color, that person must have done something to deserve it. The fact that Mike Brown was shot at least 6 times doesn't register as overkill, even when two of those shots were in the head. They will also extend effort to paint Ferguson as a ghetto, where this kind of thing happens all the time. Nope. Ferguson, Missouri had zero murders.

The "Police Are the Good Guys" Troll
These folks have a blissfully naïve version of police in their heads, the one fed to them since they were children that says police are the good guys and that no matter what they do, they must have had a reason. These people have no concept -- or pretend to have no concept -- of the depth of white supremacy and the way it is ingrained in every facet of our culture... even our police. Because they believe the police are always right -- and usually because they also believe that groups of black people are inherently violent -- they have no qualms about police dressed in military gear, sitting on tanks and tear-gassing American citizens. 'Murica. You may also hear these trolls say, "What about due process?" Well... we would proceed with due process. If they would actually arrest Darren Wilson. Which they haven't. So...

The "Violence Just Begets More Violence" Troll
These people are the riot-shamers. They roll out the word "looters!" at every chance and are not interested in the fact that only a small number of people at the protests have actively looted, or that Ferguson protestors actually locked arms to prevent said looting. These trolls hide behind anonymous accounts, they masquerade as sane coworkers, and they work for CNN and other major media outlets. They focus on the "unrest" in Ferguson and talk about it out of context in an attempt to 1) divert attention away from the killing of an unarmed black teenager and/or 2) disguise their lack of critical thought. As Mia McKenzie of Black Girl Dangerous said so well in this post:

"a community pushing back against a murderous police force that is terrorizing them is not a 'riot.' It's an uprising. It's a rebellion. It's a community saying We can't take this anymore. We won't take it. It's people who have been dehumanized to the point of rightful rage. And it happens all over the world. Uprisings and rebellions are necessary and inevitable, locally and globally. This is not to say that actual riots don't happen. White folks riot at sporting events, for example. Riots happen. But people rising up in righteous anger and rage in the face of oppression should not be dismissed as simply a 'riot.'"

The Concern Troll
These are among the more passive aggressive trolls you will encounter. They not only target victims like Mike Brown with statements like "I wish he hadn't stolen those cigars: he might be alive," but target the community as well, saying things like "Should they really be out there protesting with little kids? I worry about that kind of parenting."

Let me make one thing clear in case you weren't sure: these people aren't worried about the children of Ferguson. They're not actually "concerned" at all," despite their title. These people employ words like "worry" and "I wish" and "concern" to communicate their disapproval of black people doing anything besides playing the Martin Baker role. If they were actually concerned, they would see the images of police with hidden badge numbers, tear-gassing eight-year old girls, and be concerned about the escalation of violence police in Ferguson are responsible for.

The "But What About Black on Black Crime!" Troll
Yes, 85 percent of violent crime against black people is perpetuated by other black people. But guess what? The exact same is true for violent crime committed against white people: the vast majority of those crimes are committed by other white people. People who use the term "black on black crime" either 1) work for Fox News, 2) are seeking to portray black people as violent and out of control, and/or 3) seek to portray black people as only caring about black lives when there is a way to blame white people. Let's run that back: 1) If they work for Fox News...you already know. 2) If we're going to make sweeping statements about people being violent and out of control, perhaps we should focus on young white males. 3) Anyone who would fit with #3 is not interested in facts, otherwise they would be aware of the vast number of organizations and movements to end gun violence in black neighborhoods... spearheaded by black people. The real motivation behind this troll (and all of them really) is to distract from the matter at hand, and that's that an unarmed black teen is dead.

The "Don't Make This A Racial Issue!" Troll
These are the pearl-clutchers. "This could have happened to anyone! Let's not make this a racial issue and instead focus on getting this cop off the street!" Yes, we should focus on getting this cop off the street, but we must also focus on the conditions that made this killing possible, and that is one of racism, white supremacy, and police violence that has been being built and rebuilt since the birth of this country. No, this wouldn't have just happened to anyone. A black male is killed by police every 28 hours in America. This is a racial issue.

These trolls will also accuse you of being racist for talking about racism and start quoting to you all the times black people perpetuated "reverse racism" against white people. Suggested action? Block and keep it moving.

The Misinformation Bots
These are particularly dangerous and I have seen a lot of them in the past week. I won't speculate on where they come from -- although I have a fairly good idea -- but their sole purpose is to spread misinformation about Mike Brown and Darren Wilson, targeting people tweeting under the #Ferguson and #MikeBrown hashtags and sending them to false articles on homemade websites about alternate eyewitnesses that saw Brown attack Wilson, etc. Don't engage with these people: they likely get paid for it. Report them as spam and, you guessed it: keep it moving.

The "I Wish We Could All Just Get Along" Troll
These trolls might mean well. They might. But that doesn't mean they're not trolls. You post/tweet an article and they tweet back, "This is all really bad, but I wish this wasn't happening. Can't we all just get along?" They're trolling you. We all wish we could get along. But right now a boy is dead and is receiving no justice by the system that supposedly exists to protect him. Injecting Pollyanna-isms aren't helping anyone. If you really want to help and the frontlines aren't for you, just donate to the Michael Brown Memorial Fund. And stay out of the way.

This isn't an exhaustive list. When a black person is killed in America, trolls come out of the woodwork in an attempt to justify or distract from the taking of that life. After finishing this post, I'm not even sure "troll" is the right word, but I'm not sure if I have a better one either. Weights, perhaps. Cinder blocks shackled to the rising tide of Americans who want better, believe in better; who see the killing of another black kid in America and say "enough." These people are not merely trolls. "Troll" implies something harmless, a faceless entity in the underbelly of the Internet. These people are not harmless. They are part of the problem. Unfortunately I don't have a solution for the problem they pose: they are not interested in self-education. They are not interested in empathy. They are not interested in challenging the worldview that has tucked them in at night and told them the police are here for our protection and that black people deserve what they get. They are interested only in standing very still, while the rest of us move forward. All I can say is this: move on without them. Block, report, and move on without them. Even when they're friends.

 

[adventrkupl]

From HuffPo:

Olivia Cole

The 10 Kinds of Trolls You Will Encounter When Talking About Mike Brown

Posted: 08/19/2014 5:53 pm EDT Updated: 08/19/2014 11:59 pm EDT
Block, report, and move on without them. Even when they're friends.

Hilarious. Olivia forgot a few.

11. The "facts don't freeking matter troll
12. The Negro Hunting Season troll

How many have I missed?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Hilarious. Olivia forgot a few.

11. The "facts don't freeking matter troll
12. The Negro Hunting Season troll

How many have I missed?

^^Kupcake has easily made posts in six of those ten categories.
:nods:

#Kupcake:WhitePower

 

[millman96]

#12

^^Kupcake has easily made posts in six of those ten categories.
:nods:

#Kupcake:WhitePower

It's still illegal to bait them, with cigars, even in Missouri.

 

[Arianthe]

I'mma just gonna leave this here...

Systemic racism in the US criminal justice system

 

[jacktar48]

It's still illegal to bait them, with cigars, even in Missouri.

Nasty.

Reminds me of a guy I worked with once. We were on this horrible old wreck of an oil tanker running from the US gulf to the west coast of Panama, about a 30-day round trip. I was a young Second Engineer and Rogers was a prime example of the old-time degenerate merchant seamen you don't see much any more. Never had a driver's license. Never had a bank account. Never had a permanent place to live.

He stayed on this ship as Oiler for one year without a day off. (Did I mention that it was not air-conditioned?) When the big day came for him to go on vacation he was happy as hell, said his goodbye's, collected his year's pay in cash, and left. We were docked near New Orleans somewhere.

When I went on watch at 4 PM we were getting ready to sail for Panama. And guess who shows up as my Oiler.

Rogers, looking somewhat the worse for wear.

"What the FUCK are you doing here?"

Then the sad story...he got off the ship with a pocket full of money, something like $20,000 in cash, and on his way to the union hall passed a pawn shop, so to celebrate he bought himself a gold Rolex and a big knobby gold ring. Then he went to the union hall and collected his vacation pay, in cash of course, another couple thousand, and he was feeling so generous he went out and bought a big bucket of fried chicken and a case of beer to share with the guys at the Hall.

On his way back to the Hall he was "jumped by a couple of niggas" who took the watch, the ring, the cash, the beer, and, of course, the fried chicken.

He was still pretty happy though, because the Union officials kindly gave him his old job back for another year, since no one else really wanted it.

The moral to the story is: DON'T walk around the docks in New Orleans with a bucket of fried chicken. They can smell that shit from 10 blocks away.

 

[jacktar48]

I'mma just gonna leave this here...

Systemic racism in the US criminal justice system

Good article.

It won't help.

 

[Que]

I'mma just gonna leave this here...

Systemic racism in the US criminal justice system

Much better discussion to be having then the false narrative that cops go around shooting people of any color without at least believing they are at risk.

Sean Renaud had a good point that it may well be that cops perceive a black suspect to be more of a risk with all other factors being equal.

 

[Lancecastor]

What's this year's bag limit?

http://i.cbc.ca/1.2732775.1407709508!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/image.jpg

In 2013 it was somewhere around the FBI average bag limit of 96 male negroes.

This year, due perhaps to media scrutiny, the hunters are now moving to "catch and release", at least for the time being, with dozens of arrests.