2014 Negro Hunting Season in Missouri

[Ishmael]

I'd say the notion of an American Caste System is accurate.

Had it been Mitt Romney walking down the street instead of that black kid, my guess is the Missouri Police wouldn't have shot him dead.

Another stupid statement Lance. Just sitting around stirring the stick in the shit bucket this AM?

Ishmael

 

[Lancecastor]

Another stupid statement Lance. Just sitting around stirring the stick in the shit bucket this AM?

Ishmael

Deny it all you like, call me names till the cows come home....then substitute Lindsay Lohan ,Beyoncé, Madonna or Bill Clinton....or any member of the Upper Castes in the USA...for Michael Brown and nobody would be dead.

 

[Que]

If only a slightly more "interesting rationale" could be expressed, that will fix the problem.

More psycho-babble from academia.

Ishmael

Well. Yeah. If you want to just put it succinctly.

If not formally indoctrinated by academia, these types get all their actual "talking points" from those that make a lifetime career out of pontificating about why the problems in the black community exist and what should be done about it. Often while never so much as visiting it.

That news crew that set out to "prove" that a crime-statistics app was "racist" and therefore wrong ended up getting robbed. Priceless.

Crime statistics and policing presence follow crime.

I'd say the notion of an American Caste System is accurate.

Had it been Mitt Romney walking down the street instead of that black kid, my guess is the Missouri Police wouldn't have shot him dead.

I'd say that your saying that would be consistent and predictable.

Like the word apartheid popular lately, caste is also ineptly applied. A caste is something you are born into and forbidden from society to leave. I straight up asked our resident crip whether if he won the lottery would he leave his hood which is the most violent in America. His answer was he would move to a better nearby neighborhood and still return to visit.

Was the black kid "walking down the street?" Is that an accurate description of what happened?

My guess is an amiable Mormon walking down the street smiling congenially at police would not have had cause to stop and question him, much less get into some altercation.

If for the sake of discussion, your hypothetical had happened just 38 years ago, the police officer would have been in the clear since it was still legal to hunt Mormons. Even 38 years ago, and certainly today it was not, and is not, legal to hunt blacks.

I find your mindset "interesting" as you term it. Your thread title with its ascriptive use of "Negroes" is telling. I am assuming you meant that ironically to put your opponents on the defensive, rather than that is how you currently describe blacks?

I am just old enough to have integrated a "Negro" school. People think of integration as only busing a few sacred Colored kids into white areas. It also was done in the reverse. It had recently changed in the North from Negro or Colored being polite terms to being neutral. Black had just found favor. It was about 3 years delayed before polite southerners made the switch.

In any case, you are 45 years late using the term, and it never was intended as a derogatory slur. In the South and elsewhere there were plenty of epithets to choose from for those, unlike me, that were raised to be so inclined.

 

[Ishmael]

Deny it all you like, call me names till the cows come home....then substitute Lindsay Lohan ,Beyoncé, Madonna or Bill Clinton....or any member of the Upper Castes in the USA...for Michael Brown and nobody would be dead.

OK, I won't call you Lance anymore. What would you prefer I call you?

You're still just throwing shit against the wall to see if it sticks. None of those individuals you mentioned would be walking down that street to begin with. Now, if you threw out "Billy Bob Jackass" you might have the beginnings of a discussion.

The blacks that are in jail overwhelmingly have one thing in common, they are all abysmally ignorant. Not stupid, uneducated ignorant. And to a large extent they, and their community, have no one to blame but themselves for that. They just can't blame 'whitey.' It's pretty well acknowledged that education is the way out of poverty and despair.

And the liberal whites in society have consistently brought 'positive harm' on the black community as well. In the first instance by joining with them in allowing them to blame anyone but themselves for their condition. There comes a point in time when an individual, and a community, have to step up and take responsibility for their lives and condition.

The other 'positive harm' was the not only joining in, but in actuality leading, the effort to create a unique black identity in the black community, tacitly to build 'self-esteem.' In reality it was just another form of segregation, and in this case self-segregation. And while it seemed like a good idea at the time, anyone that bothered to think it through would have realized that the end result would be exactly the opposite of what the goal was.

There IS a wholesale slaughter taking place in the black neighborhoods all across the US. (And not limited to the US either.) But it's not the cops perpetrating the slaughter.

Ishmael

 

[Lancecastor]

Talking about the various ways in which the word "caste" can be used is a convenient deflection, but a deflection nonetheless.

If Trayvon Martin, Eric Garner, and Michael Brown Were White, Would the Tea Party Declare Tyranny?

Research by Harvard University's Jennifer L. Hochschild in The Skin Color Paradox investigates the inherent bias against dark skinned individuals within the U.S. and how this bias manifests itself within the judicial system and society:


Dark-skinned Blacks in the United States have lower socioeconomic status, more punitive relationships with the criminal justice system, diminished prestige, and less likelihood of holding elective office compared with their lighter counterparts.

... Consider criminal justice: among 66,927 male felons incarcerated for their first offense in Georgia from 1995 through 2002, the dark-skinned received longer prison sentences. Whites' sentences averaged 2,689 days, and Blacks' were longer by 378 days. Within the Black group, those with the lightest skin received prison sentences averaging three and a half months longer than did Whites; medium-skinned Blacks received the average for Blacks and a year more than Whites; and the dark-skinned got hit with 3,250 days -a year and a half longer than Whites.

... Dark skin evokes fears of criminality or sharper memories of a purportedly criminal face. Even Black first graders are better able to remember stories in which light-skinned individuals are portrayed positively (or dark-skinned people portrayed negatively) than the reverse.



If Travyon Martin, Eric Garner and Michael Brown were white, Harvard research shows that they might have fared better without the "fears of criminality" and "the criminal face" associated with being black. The startling fact that black first graders recalled stories of light skinned individuals in a more positive light emphasizes the profound issue of racial bias in our country. Also, when Harvard research finds that blacks serve 378 days longer in Georgia's prison system and the variation in skin color actually affected prison sentences, the issue of race is still a real dilemma in American society.

see:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/if-trayvon-martin-eric-ga_b_5674633.html

 

[Ishmael]

Well Lance, while you were looking up meaningless drivel the narrative of the drivel has changed.

It's now all about the press and the militarization of the police. The irony of the whole militarization of the police thing is that we on the right have been raising the red flag about that subject for years now while the left pointed, laughed, and called us conspiracy theorists. Now the left seems to have their panties in a wad over the situation and are blaming us on the right for letting it happen.

Yo!!!! Homie's, it's your hopey-changy prez and his hand picked Homeland Security secretary pushing this along.

Can anyone wonder why we on the right sit and shake our heads in wonderment while the left runs from pillar to post like a dog marking territory while forgetting that the goal was to empty the bladder.

Ishmael

 

[Lancecastor]

I don't think you can shoehorn systemic racism into the "narrative of the week" , Ish....this one's bipartisan and cuts across the whole (non-poor) white spectrum in the USA.

Well Lance, while you were looking up meaningless drivel the narrative of the drivel has changed.

It's now all about the press and the militarization of the police. The irony of the whole militarization of the police thing is that we on the right have been raising the red flag about that subject for years now while the left pointed, laughed, and called us conspiracy theorists. Now the left seems to have their panties in a wad over the situation and are blaming us on the right for letting it happen.

Yo!!!! Homie's, it's your hopey-changy prez and his hand picked Homeland Security secretary pushing this along.

Can anyone wonder why we on the right sit and shake our heads in wonderment while the left runs from pillar to post like a dog marking territory while forgetting that the goal was to empty the bladder.

Ishmael

 

[Que]

Talking about the various ways in which the word "caste" can be used is a convenient deflection, but a deflection nonetheless.




see:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/if-trayvon-martin-eric-ga_b_5674633.html

Covered by Juan Williams when that black man got fired from NPR for stating the truth that he looks twice at people that look like 911 hijackers with a bit of perhaps misplaced, but no less real fear.

If your culture celebrates crime and violence and you go out of your way to dress the part people are more likely to assume the guy TRYING to look like a criminal bad-ass MIGHT be a criminal.

If I tell you door A has a black guy behind it, door B has a white guy. Also one of the two is harmless, one of the two is a violent felon with a long rap sheet of wanton violence. There is no way of knowing which of the two doors is for sure dangerous but one of the doors is. Statistically, the black guy is more likely to be a violent, convicted felon. Did society make him that way? Of course not. Society merely provided the agar that he grew in.

Well Lance, while you were looking up meaningless drivel the narrative of the drivel has changed.

It's now all about the press and the militarization of the police. The irony of the whole militarization of the police thing is that we on the right have been raising the red flag about that subject for years now while the left pointed, laughed, and called us conspiracy theorists. Now the left seems to have their panties in a wad over the situation and are blaming us on the right for letting it happen.

Yo!!!! Homie's, it's your hopey-changy prez and his hand picked Homeland Security secretary pushing this along.

Can anyone wonder why we on the right sit and shake our heads in wonderment while the left runs from pillar to post like a dog marking territory while forgetting that the goal was to empty the bladder.

Ishmael

Gold.

In this very thread, the calm, peaceable assembly of armed citizens to PREVENT the government from abusing their authority was seen as analogous to violent looters "protesting."

This is not a bunch of peaceful citizens holding hands and singing we shall overcome.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Yes, it's upsetting to acknowledge that the USA suffers from systemic racism and quasi-genocide; hence the emotional denials and attacks.

Free Quebec asshole...



... they want out.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Governor Jay Nixon just advocated the idea that the police need to let some rioting occur...



... before there can be some calm.

 

[Que]

Governor Jay Nixon just advocated the idea that the police need to let some rioting occur...



... before there can be some calm.

Implying of course, that certain populations must be allowed to run a little wild.

No...no bigotry implicit in that statement.

 

[Lancecastor]

I would think you allegedly American Wise Men of the GB would be the first ones to jump up and work towards ending racism in America.

It's a bit surprising and quite disappointing to find so many of you so eager to parrot Ish in saying unarmed black people are at fault for being shot by police.

 

[Wrong Element]

Another stupid statement Lance. Just sitting around stirring the stick in the shit bucket this AM?

Ishmael

Lance's mistake was in assuming Mitt Romney ever has to walk anywhere.

Every year well over 90% of blacks killed in the US are killed by other blacks. Every year. By any measure. And are you under the impression I think shooting an unarmed black kid in the back is justified? I see no way you could be.

This post says a lot. "Yes, this is tragic and maybe even unjustified ... but hey, since so many of them are violent criminals, it's inevitable police are going to make a bad call on occasion."

The Trayvonization of Michael Brown by the far right is only a matter of time.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I would think you allegedly American Wise Men of the GB would be the first ones to jump up and work towards ending racism in America.

It's a bit surprising and quite disappointing to find so many of you so eager to parrot Ish in saying unarmed black people are at fault for being shot by police.

Fuck Blackie. America is over kissing his ass.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Implying of course, that certain populations must be allowed to run a little wild.

No...no bigotry implicit in that statement.

Businesses are people according to the white men on the court...



... white people. He just opened the season on white people. Go exact your "tax."

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I would think you allegedly American Wise Men of the GB would be the first ones to jump up and work towards ending racism in America.

It's a bit surprising and quite disappointing to find so many of you so eager to parrot Ish in saying unarmed black people are at fault for being shot by police.

Quit oppressing the French fucker!

 

[Lancecastor]

Quit oppressing the French fucker!

Your jabs are ill-pointed.

French grrls are amongst my faves; I'm a big Montreal fan in every sense of the word.

You yanks however don't care much for your brown skinned brethren...enough that you rejoice in their slaying in the streets.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Your jabs are ill-pointed.

French grrls are amongst my faves; I'm a big Montreal fan in every sense of the word.

You yanks however don't care much for your brown skinned brethren...enough that you rejoice in their slaying in the streets.

Better them than me!

The English and the French used to hunt us with glee.



But you cannot point fingers as long as you keep oppressing Quebec. You treat the French like the old black...

 

[adventrkupl]

Your jabs are ill-pointed.

You yanks however don't care much for your brown skinned brethren...enough that you rejoice in their slaying in the streets.

The hits just keep on coming.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I would think you allegedly American Wise Men of the GB would be the first ones to jump up and work towards ending racism in America.

It's a bit surprising and quite disappointing to find so many of you so eager to parrot Ish in saying unarmed black people are at fault for being shot by police.

Black people terrify Ishmael almost as much as brown people terrify Vetteman.
:nods:

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Lance cannot keep his story straight...



First it was negro season, now it's brown skin season.


Is there a color swatch on your license? I might need to stay indoors until the season ends.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Lance cannot keep his story straight...



First it was negro season, now it's brown skin season.


Is there a color swatch on your license? I might need to stay indoors until the season ends.

Well, most people would consider it open season on non-whites, but Lance was simply tryin' to spare your oh-so-tender feelings because you'd immediately start shrieking that he was calling out your RentAGook™

Damned if ya do, damned if ya don't.....

 

[toubab]

Lance's mistake was in assuming Mitt Romney ever has to walk anywhere.






This post says a lot. "Yes, this is tragic and maybe even unjustified ... but hey, since so many of them are violent criminals, it's inevitable police are going to make a bad call on occasion."

The Trayvonization of Michael Brown by the far right is only a matter of time.

Lance also makes a mistake in not realizing that Mitt Romney, if he were illegally walking in the road instead of on the sidewalk, and if a cop rolled up and told him to get out of the road and walk on the sidewalk, would undoubtedly get out of the road and walk on the sidewalk instead of ignoring a legitimate police order. That would mean Mitt Romney wouldn't wind up getting shot by said cop.

It is indisputable that black criminals reflect poorly on decent, law-abiding black people, and cause them to be viewed with more suspicion than they would otherwise be viewed. That fact is unfortunate, but not difficult to understand.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

"The militarization of our domestic police forces must end," said Nicholas Sarwark, chair of the Libertarian National Committee. "The failed War on Drugs must end. And there's no circumstance in which any government authority should attempt to silence or suppress the news media or people peacefully observing police conduct."

So far, police in Ferguson have placed two reporters under arrest — one for the Washington Post and one for the Huffington Post — along with an observer, a St. Louis alderman.

The Libertarian Party calls on the Ferguson and St. Louis County Police Departments to:

Release the name of the police officer who shot Michael Brown.
Let the investigation into the shooting play out without escalating tensions.
Stop arresting reporters and observers in blatant violation of the First Amendment
Stand down and withdraw the militarized response.
The Libertarian Party also denounces and demands accountability for protesters who vandalize, loot, and destroy private property and thus victimize innocent small business owners.

 

[Lancecastor]

So you figure the police would shoot Mitt Romney if he didn't get off the street...and that would be okay with you.

Lance also makes a mistake in not realizing that Mitt Romney, if he were illegally walking in the road instead of on the sidewalk, and if a cop rolled up and told him to get out of the road and walk on the sidewalk, would undoubtedly get out of the road and walk on the sidewalk instead of ignoring a legitimate police order. That would mean Mitt Romney wouldn't wind up getting shot by said cop.

It is indisputable that black criminals reflect poorly on decent, law-abiding black people, and cause them to be viewed with more suspicion than they would otherwise be viewed. That fact is unfortunate, but not difficult to understand.