Your "belief" is not more important than my reality.

[Bert_Fegg]

You are mixing a medical emergency with a birth control issue Sean. Unless your genital are bleeding that's hardly related.

And I'm still not paying for you to have sex.

Well - apart from the fact that if you're paying for medical insurance, then by your criterion, you are paying for folks to have sex

But more importantly, you're picking one arbitrary criterion and saying that it's a special case in a way that nothing else is. And no counter argument is valid because you say so. And yet we mustn't say you have an overblown sense of entitlement.

In a way, if your arguments were to be taken seriously they'd show the weakness of an individualistic worldview when it's applied to something like healthcare. All you can see is lots of individuals whose lives are improved on your dime at no net benefit to you. You can't - or won't see that Birth control is a public health issue, and when it stops being an economic issue, the whole of society benefits, if for no other reason than the medical system is less taxed. I'm sure there will be no shortage of folks who can rattle off many more ways that universal access to BC benefits society generally [which means you] but because it would benefit a segment of society you don't approve of you're constrained by dogma to oppose it with extreme prejudice.

That's what it looks like from over here anyway.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You are mixing a medical emergency with a birth control issue Sean. Unless your genital are bleeding that's hardly related.

And I'm still not paying for you to have sex.

That's fine but as everybody has pointed out it's because you're being picky. A woman who doesn't want a baby and is either taking steps to prevent it or in a worst case scenario doing something about it after the fact is absolutely the same as you getting injured in sports. And not all of them are medical emergencies, certainly not in the long term. A broken arm is a medical emergency, rehabilitation however is not. Most dental issues don't fall under medical emergencies either.

You really don't have a choice in the matter and nor should you. You live in a society you have to play by the rules. You don't have to like it but as several people have pointed out there are lots of things that people "don't want to pay for" that we have to. Because that's how it works.

 

[smallgirl]

That's fine but as everybody has pointed out it's because you're being picky. A woman who doesn't want a baby and is either taking steps to prevent it or in a worst case scenario doing something about it after the fact is absolutely the same as you getting injured in sports. And not all of them are medical emergencies, certainly not in the long term. A broken arm is a medical emergency, rehabilitation however is not. Most dental issues don't fall under medical emergencies either.

You really don't have a choice in the matter and nor should you. You live in a society you have to play by the rules. You don't have to like it but as several people have pointed out there are lots of things that people "don't want to pay for" that we have to. Because that's how it works.

That's exactly how our system works.

Very well said.

 

[about_average]

You are mixing a medical emergency with a birth control issue Sean. Unless your genital are bleeding that's hardly related.

And I'm still not paying for you to have sex.

I can't remember if you answered or not. Are you ok with insurance covering annual checkups, teeth cleanings, etc?

 

[smallgirl]

I can't remember if you answered or not. Are you ok with insurance covering annual checkups, teeth cleanings, etc?

One could argue for not covering annual pap smears if they don't want to pay for BC. After all, most things that make a Pap come back irregular are due to sex, right? HPV and all that stuff.....so wouldn't that lead back to some people's arguments they don't want to pay for other people to have sex? Kinda the same thing...or the way I see it. Sex leads to irregular Pap's, right? I guess they could argue my personal responsibility includes not getting cervical cancer?

Thank God the law says insurance has to pay for my Pap, those damn things are expensive.

 

[John Doe]

No, I'm just very tired.

Work and stuff. I saw my chiropractor at 5. Then we went out for dinner. I did some laundry and dishes. Homework. Bath.

I'm nodding off.

Night, John Snow.

You went out for dinner with your chiropractor?

 

[girlsmiley]

You went out for dinner with your chiropractor?

I've offered to buy her dinner a thousand times. She just won't say yes.

Last time I was on the table on my back. She moved my legs into position and leant over me and I'm like, "I should probably buy you dinner first. Wanna get something to eat first?"

 

[StrangeLife]

I can't remember if you answered or not. Are you ok with insurance covering annual checkups, teeth cleanings, etc?

Certainly. Nobody gets a colonoscopy as a hobby....

...well ok, never say never...

... but formally it doesn't exactly qualify as a leisure activity. Nor does a teeth cleaning or a pap smear. They are all procedures to be endured for the sake of your continued health, and I am all for covering them.

But the border is not fixed. I mean, if you decide to run in the Boston Marathon you are also doing something for your health (provided you stay away from mad Russians with pressure cookers), but in that case it's a hobby activity. The health benefit is not direct - it's consequential. So I'm not gonna pay for your Asic Gel's...

 

[StrangeLife]

That's fine but as everybody has pointed out it's because you're being picky. A woman who doesn't want a baby and is either taking steps to prevent it or in a worst case scenario doing something about it after the fact is absolutely the same as you getting injured in sports.

No it isn't. A woman getting pregnant is though. And I'm all for covering that.

 

[Sean Renaud]

No it isn't. A woman getting pregnant is though. And I'm all for covering that.

Which is stupid beyond measure. But it is the same.

 

[about_average]

Certainly. Nobody gets a colonoscopy as a hobby....

I'm talking about annual checkups when there are no symptoms or anything.

 

[StrangeLife]

I'm talking about annual checkups when there are no symptoms or anything.

But there is still no entertainment value to be had. An annual check-up is clearly a health issue.

Having sex is not. It has more to do with that marathon... it's something you do for pleasure (I hope).

 

[Sean Renaud]

There are tons of studies proving that having sex is a health issue. Adults who aren't having sex have all sorts of mental and physical problems.

 

[about_average]

But there is still no entertainment value to be had. An annual check-up is clearly a health issue.

Having a checkup is also to prevent the occurrence of medical conditions that you don't want and that would become more expensive to deal with after the fact.

Sort of like birth control.

 

[StrangeLife]

There are tons of studies proving that having sex is a health issue. Adults who aren't having sex have all sorts of mental and physical problems.

And so is exercise - and I'm still not paying for your new cross trainer. And so is the peace of mind when you're debt free - but I'm still not paying out your mortgage. And so is a trip into the mountains to recharge those batteries - yet I'm still not paying for your flight to Alaska.

Having a checkup is also to prevent the occurrence of medical conditions that you don't want and that would become more expensive to deal with after the fact.

Having a checkup is directly linked to your health - using protection while having sex is not.

Because there is nothing inherently unhealthy by getting pregnant. It's a pretty natural thing for a woman and the only reason an otherwise healthy woman would even want to limit her fertility are secondary in nature - like financially (having 20 kids costs), resources (kids take time), personal issues (Help! My boobs gonna sag!).

Furthermore having sex is a choice. Getting cancer is not. Sex has more to do with wild water rafting than a disease....

 

[Sean Renaud]

You mean you don't want to Strange. Not you won't because you will. Or we'll fine you and use it to pay for our stuff and if you refuse that we'll put you in jail and move on to someone who's more compliant. Fight all you want you'll just die tired.

 

[StrangeLife]

You mean you don't want to Strange. Not you won't because you will. Or we'll fine you and use it to pay for our stuff and if you refuse that we'll put you in jail and move on to someone who's more compliant. Fight all you want you'll just die tired.

In the long run reason will prevail Sean - I have to believe that.

 

[John Doe]

Having a checkup is directly linked to your health - using protection while having sex is not.

Because there is nothing inherently unhealthy by getting pregnant. It's a pretty natural thing for a woman and the only reason an otherwise healthy woman would even want to limit her fertility are secondary in nature - like financially (having 20 kids costs), resources (kids take time), personal issues (Help! My boobs gonna sag!).

Furthermore having sex is a choice. Getting cancer is not. Sex has more to do with wild water rafting than a disease....

Pregnancy is natural. So is cancer. Just because something is natural that doesn't mean it's good.

How is using protection not directly linked to health? Are STDs suddenly not diseases anymore?

And yes, there are health risks involved in pregnancy.

 

[StrangeLife]

Pregnancy is natural. So is cancer. Just because something is natural that doesn't mean it's good.

Pregnancy is natural in the sense that it's the direct purpose of having sex. You're not supposed to have it for any other reason according to your body - because if you were, you'd be able to control your fertility at will. Orgasm is basically natures way of tricking you into procreating. We have since developed technology that allow us to cheat nature into giving us the reward without making babies - thus inventing the concept "sex as a leisure activity."

I don't see why I should pay for that. We also invented the mountain bike and gave rise to the concept of "mountain biking as a leisure activity" yet the insurance wont pay for your new Cannondale Trigger Carbon either.

Cancer on the other hand, is not natural. Rather it's as un-natural as it gets, being caused by acquired genetic irregularities on the cellular level. The comparison it way off.

How is using protection not directly linked to health? Are STDs suddenly not diseases anymore?

We're not talking condoms John. The only mode of BC that would make sense on a large scale are estrogen implants. STDs are not part of the equation.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Cancer on the other hand, is not natural. Rather it's as un-natural as it gets, being caused by acquired genetic irregularities on the cellular level.

I'm sure that will be a great comfort to the thirteen million folks in America who suffer from one form of cancer or another: "How unnatural! You have cancer!"

#DerpScience
#SlutShamingTalkingPoints

 

[BoyNextDoor]

In the long run reason will prevail Sean - I have to believe that.

You finally said something I agree with.

 

[evesdream]

In the long run reason will prevail Sean - I have to believe that.

L-O-Fucking-L...

 

[StrangeLife]

I'm sure that will be a great comfort to the thirteen million folks in America who suffer from one form of cancer or another: "How unnatural! You have cancer!"

Like all diseases cancer is an unnatural state of the body. Something isn't working as it should and treatment is needed in order to fix it.

Having sex without getting pregnant is not unnatural, but something we can do in order to "get the reward" (orgasm) without "doing the work" (procreation). There is no disease involved.

It's not rocket science rob...


#mincing-words #trolling #strawman #playing-ignorant #attempting-to-score-cheap-points

You finally said something I agree with.

And you should announce that fact to the world with pride

 

[BoyNextDoor]

I do. The only reasonable outcome is that corporations are not people and anthropomorphic arguments have no basis.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Having sex without getting pregnant is not unnatural..

Words have meaning, and while I enjoy your near-constant attempts to redefine commonly accepted definitions, I suspect most people simply laugh at you.

Let's see here, "not unnatural" implies "natural".
Therefore,
"Having sex without getting pregnant is natural".
The converse of that position is"Getting pregnant from having sex is unnatural"
See how I can twist the meaning of words just like you?

In any event, carry on with your slut-shaming. You're getting plenty of attention from the hawt chicks, which I suspect was your intention all along, even though most of the attention is negative (aka "Amicus Syndrome")