Your "belief" is not more important than my reality.

[Bry1313]

Bry, my good fellow, if you decide to stay a while in this GeeBee neighborhood of Literotica City, you'll soon be keen on many glaring contradictions and nonsensical dichotomies from some of the personalities here. The chief of these will be the greasy handful of (aging and impotent) conservative assholes on here who rant and rail against liberalism, all the while coming to a liberal website on a daily basis, enjoying the free, open and benevolent expressions of sexuality created by a liberalism which nurtures this freedom nigh impossible to imagine existing under conservative auspices, powered by liberal dime and toil of which they are not beholden to contribute any blood, sweat or tears. They can and do enjoy and revel in their secret desires and closeted perversions all thanks to the liberalism they eschew and abhor. Of course, by coming here and participating in the site, they enable and support by proxy, that very same liberalism and all the mutually satisfying adult perversions it enables and supports under its broad umbrella.

It's not that they can't be here, but why talk shit?

You will see this warped thinking on here, in praxis, every day and night. If this is not the very height of hypocritical bullshit, it is certainly one train station away from it.

I've much to learn.

 

[Sean Renaud]

And no one could blame you.

Except for maybe julybaby.


OMFG YOU JUST PROVED HOMOSEXUALITY IS A CHOICE.

My whole life is indeed a lie.

Well, maybe kinda sorta a choice? Like maybe that scale thing is is true and if 0 is all the way straight and 10 is all the way gay anybody between 2-9 has varying degrees of "choice"? I'm not gonna lie I like women. If Captain Jack Sparrow walks up and asks me on a date I'm gonna have to hand cuff my girlfriend to the railing and and laugh.

**************************************************************
Clearly you are a newbie.

As for the last part, it is a fitting commentary from a bible about a book therein speaking of the ways of mankind in their rebellion toward God and why civilizations keeping fucking up.

Sorry if it's a little to deep for you...

It's not deep. It's retarded. There is no God. There is only us. A lot of our fuck ups come from the fact that we don't have near enough faith in ourselves.

 

[warrior queen]

A lot of our fuck ups come from the fact that we don't have near enough faith in ourselves.

FUCKING HELL!
FINALLY, SOME REALITY!

I was beginning to think this was just a bad movie!

 

[Sean Renaud]

FUCKING HELL!
FINALLY, SOME REALITY!

I was beginning to think this was just a bad movie!

Someone needed to say it. Everywhere I look people are quoting long dead men at me as the reason we must follow a particular path. It's rare they say something as harmless as "this guy says it better than me" but instead the Bible this, the Founders that. For some reason we are completely unworthy to sit down with each other and decide our fate for ourselves for reasons we decide.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Someone needed to say it. Everywhere I look people are quoting long dead (mainly) old white men at me as the reason we must follow a particular path. It's rare they say something as harmless as "this guy says it better than me" but instead the Bible this, the Founders that. For some reason we are completely unworthy to sit down with each other and decide our fate for ourselves for reasons we decide.

For better comprehension and verity's sake.

http://media3.onsugar.com/files/2013/08/01/982/n/1922398/141c4caa45bc990d_Obama-1-buzzfeed.xxxlarge/i/Epic-Eyebrow-Raise.gif

http://awesomelyluvvie.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/ItsTrueTho.gif

 

[Sean Renaud]

I think a lot of the writers of the Bible were most likely various breeds of Arabic actually. And that's if we give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they were the original authors of those ideas, many of which are provably from older traditions. Not saying there aren't a lot of whites in there Zoomie but in this case there are sufficient non-whites here to make that comment unfair. The main super power these men all have is being dead and by virtue of being dead and thus unable to defend their points they are automatically superior to the living.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

I think a lot of the writers of the Bible were most likely various breeds of Arabic actually. And that's if we give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they were the original authors of those ideas, many of which are provably from older traditions. Not saying there aren't a lot of whites in there Zoomie but in this case there are sufficient non-whites here to make that comment unfair. The main super power these men all have is being dead and by virtue of being dead and thus unable to defend their points they are automatically superior to the living.

Well, you didn't say the Bible initially in that post I quoted, so my first impulse was in thinking of The Founders and The Fathers Of The Constitution that certain people in here keep cock-milking for gospel truths as if they and their words had supreme deity status on the level of The Watchers like Uatu.

Also, to be fair, even if we were speaking of the Bible the way these fundamentalists like to jack it, it's not visualizing any men (or people) without peach-crayon colored caucasian skin tones or lighter, sparkly blue or green eye colors, deliberately Eurocentric features and flowing waves of shiny hair in both head and beards.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A-Khx3TCAAIQdf6.jpg

http://rlv.zcache.com/jesus_loves_children_photo_sculpture-r118649f9fcac4db5967598907d5ba787_x7saw_8byvr_512.jpg?bg=0xffffff

http://www.artbible.net/3JC/-Joh-13,01_The%20feetwashing_Le%20lavement%20des%20pieds/20%20CHILDREN%20S%20BIBLE%20JESUS%20WASHES%20HIS%20DIS.jpg

Let's be honest, here. We all grew up with the Bible illustrations portraying the Middle East as another Pretty White Guy Land, but just with wearing robes and sandals and nothing was challenged about that until Hollywood and general media made Middle Easterns our universal bogeymen enemies that didn't even look like them shits. You can talk about the actual writers and maybe if if you were educated enough to be aware of the features of the actual people who lived in the Bible regions during them good ol' days, fine, but these are the general images of them that were burned into our heads...and even still to this day.

 

[Sean Renaud]

That I won't and can't argue.

 

[BotanyBoy]

As for the last part, it is a fitting commentary from a bible about a book therein speaking of the ways of mankind in their rebellion toward God and why civilizations keeping fucking up.

Sorry if it's a little to deep for you...

Yet it's usually those with the most zeal for the local religion that are the ones that fuck it up for everyone. It's totally GAWD!!!

 

[FGB]

Well, maybe kinda sorta a choice? Like maybe that scale thing is is true and if 0 is all the way straight and 10 is all the way gay anybody between 2-9 has varying degrees of "choice"? I'm not gonna lie I like women. If Captain Jack Sparrow walks up and asks me on a date I'm gonna have to hand cuff my girlfriend to the railing and and laugh.



It's not deep. It's retarded. There is no God. There is only us. A lot of our fuck ups come from the fact that we don't have near enough faith in ourselves.

That's called "Will Worship" and you are welcome to it...leave my beliefs to me.

That is called "Tolerance"...you may pay lip service to it from time to time.

 

[Bert_Fegg]

That's called "Will Worship" and you are welcome to it...leave my beliefs to me.

That is called "Tolerance"...you may pay lip service to it from time to time.

I find it laughable that on the one hand you feel that a woman's right to choose what happens to her own body matters less than the fictitious words attributed to your imaginary friend in the sky; And on the other hand you mention Tolerance - You do realise this makes you a hypocrite don't you?

As far as your beliefs go - you're entitled to have them - but that's all the respect your beliefs are entitled to Everything else they have to earn, and really Skydad doesn't merit much respect these days, and if you profess a belief in a zombie that's his own dad, being nailed to a plank in order to redeem humanity for an imperfection, which presumably Skydad is responsible for... Surely you see that although you have the right to believe that, you can't possibly expect anything you say that stems from this delusion to be treated with any respect at all. Likewise nobody is under any obligation to engage you in rational argument, because you've abandoned rationality in favour of fairy tales.

Your founding Fathers knew this. They knew that for a law to have moral authority in the real world it couldn't be based on mythological antics in fantasyland. Hence the separation of Church and State.

No matter what you believe, you can find scripture to support it - people don't follow God, they cherry pick their bible verses and let God follow them. I have no problem with people who choose to follow the bits of the bible that deal with not judging, helping the poor and needy and loving their neighbours - but they'd be doing that anyway.

Thought for the day: If Jesus had bothered to find out who actually wanted saving, he'd probably have got off with a fine...

 

[RobDownSouth]

That's called "Will Worship" and you are welcome to it...leave my beliefs to me.

That is called "Tolerance"...you may pay lip service to it from time to time.

http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/Soonyigump/Tolerance_zps1f98ecc9.png

 

[FGB]

I find it laughable that on the one hand you feel that a woman's right to choose what happens to her own body matters less than the fictitious words attributed to your imaginary friend in the sky; And on the other hand you mention Tolerance - You do realise this makes you a hypocrite don't you?

As far as your beliefs go - you're entitled to have them - but that's all the respect your beliefs are entitled to Everything else they have to earn, and really Skydad doesn't merit much respect these days, and if you profess a belief in a zombie that's his own dad, being nailed to a plank in order to redeem humanity for an imperfection, which presumably Skydad is responsible for... Surely you see that although you have the right to believe that, you can't possibly expect anything you say that stems from this delusion to be treated with any respect at all. Likewise nobody is under any obligation to engage you in rational argument, because you've abandoned rationality in favour of fairy tales.

Your founding Fathers knew this. They knew that for a law to have moral authority in the real world it couldn't be based on mythological antics in fantasyland. Hence the separation of Church and State.

No matter what you believe, you can find scripture to support it - people don't follow God, they cherry pick their bible verses and let God follow them. I have no problem with people who choose to follow the bits of the bible that deal with not judging, helping the poor and needy and loving their neighbours - but they'd be doing that anyway.

Thought for the day: If Jesus had bothered to find out who actually wanted saving, he'd probably have got off with a fine...

You find this laughable?

Dude.

I have set on been beset by myopic midget minded madmen who insist there is no God for fourteen years here at Lit. and they Still attack from every angle made up, real or imagined.

What I can't figure out is ( I really know the answer) is why they care about a God that they almost foam at the mouth claiming doesn't exist?

And why ME believing in God makes such a difference to them?

Why do you care what I think?

 

[phrodeau]

You find this laughable?

Dude.

I have set on been beset by myopic midget minded madmen who insist there is no God for fourteen years here at Lit. and they Still attack from every angle made up, real or imagined.

What I can't figure out is ( I really know the answer) is why they care about a God that they almost foam at the mouth claiming doesn't exist?

And why ME believing in God makes such a difference to them?

Why do you care what I think?

I care what you think. I find it laughable too. I need a good laugh now and then.

 

[Sean]

What I can't figure out is ( I really know the answer) is why they care about a God that they almost foam at the mouth claiming doesn't exist?

And why ME believing in God makes such a difference to them?

Why do you care what I think?

We care because you and the rest of the Taliban are trying to impose your magic man in the sky rules on the rest of us.

 

[FGB]

I care what you think. I find it laughable too. I need a good laugh now and then.

Well, in your case I'm happy to lighten the burdens of the day if only by a small amount.

 

[Sean Renaud]

That is called "Tolerance"...you may pay lip service to it from time to time.

First I generally tolerate you and other believers just fine. However when you start making claims that our problems are born of the fact that we don't believe like you and don't bow down thousand year old dead men that is where my tolerance ends. It's bullshit and it serves largely to absolve men of the sins we commit and rob us of our accomplishments. That I will never tolerate.

What I can't figure out is ( I really know the answer) is why they care about a God that they almost foam at the mouth claiming doesn't exist?

And why ME believing in God makes such a difference to them?

Why do you care what I think?

Your first question is simple. We have to turn as many people as possible away from your ignorance. And it seems by and large to be working. They aren't all atheists but young people are abandoning organized religion in droves. And I've no issue with agnostics or nominal Christians other than I occasionally have to accept a few as collateral on my way to a JulyBaby style believer. Otherwise I wish them all the best in the world.

To your second question.
Because you make a lot of decisions based on that belief that you wouldn't otherwise. Your stance on Same-Sex Marriage and abortion are driven almost exclusively by your religion and not science. I highly suspect that a good chunk of foreign policy (as it applies to the Middle East) is driven by religion as well. One of the most popular slurs thrown against Obama is that he's of another religion (he's not) and to date no non-Christian (Catholics are still Christian for this) has been elected. Oh and Romney being a Mormon was also brought up repeatedly as a negative. So your belief in God effects my life and in negative ways.

Why do I care what you think? Well for starters I'm not always right so it's nice to have an alternative point of view but there is also everything written above. What you think effects how you vote and thus how I live.

 

[John Doe]

There is no reality. There is only perception.

How do you know?

 

[Tryharder62]

We care because you and the rest of the Taliban are trying to impose your magic man in the sky rules on the rest of us.

You need some new material.

 

[Phelia]

You find this laughable?

Dude.

I have set on been beset by myopic midget minded madmen who insist there is no God for fourteen years here at Lit. and they Still attack from every angle made up, real or imagined.

What I can't figure out is ( I really know the answer) is why they care about a God that they almost foam at the mouth claiming doesn't exist?

And why ME believing in God makes such a difference to them?

Why do you care what I think?

Believe me, I don't care what you think. In fact, I doubt that it happens at all. But that's beside the point.

This is not your pulpit, and I raised a point that you neglected to address while you were threatening to beat me up (again: lololololol!).

You don't like abortion. There is ample evidence that the road to reducing abortion rates involves making birth control accessible.

So do you support Hobby Lobby's efforts to give a big "fuck you" to the rights of women and their employees and reduce coverage of contraceptives? Because if you do, you are very likely encouraging abortions that could otherwise have been avoided. You think abortion is murder. Do you want that blood on your hands?

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Your ideas are interesting but I suspect you're over-interpreting this whole thing. I don't sense a big misogynistic master plan behind this issue. Birth control still exists and isn't going anywhere.

All this is about is who pays for it.

A desire to keep the family unit intact is not misogyny.

A large number of amicus briefs in support of Hobby Lobby are absolutely about my post as opposed to the costs of birth control.

Here is an angry Salon article that cherry picks quotes from various amicus curae briefs; these quotes clearly demonstrate my point of view on the subject. (I disgree with the author of this article though, as she claims "it's all about sex" which is wrong.)

http://www.salon.com/2014/03/06/how_hobby_lobby_supporters_talk_about_religious_liberty_5_outrageous_quotes_that_show_its_all_about_sex/

The regular guys will never dominate the game. Girls invariably go for douches - they did so before the sexual revolution, they do so today and they will do so in the future. Birth control or no birth control.

No, women go for the most powerful males in a group, this has nothing to do with going for a "douche". Power could be based upon wealth. It could be social status. It could be physical strength or violence. This is what has happened since the beginning of time and will never change. BUT keep in mind that the top women are the ones who get commitment from the top men. Nowadays, average gals can fuck the top men but they won't get a commitment.

 

[Bert_Fegg]

I'd just like to respectfully disagree with Sean R below where he says "Your stance on Same-Sex Marriage and abortion are driven almost exclusively by your religion and not science."

There's as much in the bible to support the idea of letting people make their own decisions regarding these things, given the inherently contradictory nature of scripture. People who oppose abortion do so because they hate the idea that a woman can choose not to continue with a pregnancy that she doesn't want. The reason they hate the idea is because it chips away at male power. The reason people oppose same-sex marriage and gay rights in general is they have a deep seated fear that they'll find cock delicious [I nicked that phrase]

I've made that point rather simplistically because to do it justice would put it well into tl:dr territory. I offer as supporting evidence that there are plenty of religious people who have no problems with gay marriage or birth control. They just interpret the bible to fit their individual moral code, just like everyone else does.

If you say you're opposed to birth control [inc. abortion] on religious grounds, all that means is that either you're a misogynist who's cherry picked their scripture to suit what they believe anyway - or you're a misogynist who's picked a church to do the cherry picking for you. Same detail for LGBT issues.

I don't believe in Skydad or his Zombie offspring, but if I did, I'd be asking why it's ok for him to terminate pregnancies [since most fertilised ova are spontaneously aborted] Or for that matter what the fuck cot death is all about. Perhaps someone here with a direct line can explain it to me?

There are two arguments re: birth control that I can see. [a] God has given us free will and God loves killing embryos, foetuses and babies - There are genuine moral reasons not to kill babies, but as long as they're inside their mothers, what's good enough for God is good enough for whoever the foetus is gestating inside.

The secular argument is somewhat simpler - Her body=her choice.

The fact is that if you seriously expect your beliefs to affect another person's actions, then you need to provide some evidence that your beliefs are true. Smoking in public is forbidden because the link between smoke and cancer is well established - Two thousand years down the line and the difference between Jaweh and the tooth fairy has yet to be established.

 

[Phelia]

Believe me, I don't care what you think. In fact, I doubt that it happens at all. But that's beside the point.

This is not your pulpit, and I raised a point that you neglected to address while you were threatening to beat me up (again: lololololol!).

You don't like abortion. There is ample evidence that the road to reducing abortion rates involves making birth control accessible.

So do you support Hobby Lobby's efforts to give a big "fuck you" to the rights of women and their employees and reduce coverage of contraceptives? Because if you do, you are very likely encouraging abortions that could otherwise have been avoided. You think abortion is murder. Do you want that blood on your hands?

Well look who's gone quiet! No answer from FGB yet. Shocking

A desire to keep the family unit intact is not misogyny.

A large number of amicus briefs in support of Hobby Lobby are absolutely about my post as opposed to the costs of birth control.

Here is an angry Salon article that cherry picks quotes from various amicus curae briefs; these quotes clearly demonstrate my point of view on the subject. (I disgree with the author of this article though, as she claims "it's all about sex" which is wrong.)

http://www.salon.com/2014/03/06/how_hobby_lobby_supporters_talk_about_religious_liberty_5_outrageous_quotes_that_show_its_all_about_sex/

No, women go for the most powerful males in a group, this has nothing to do with going for a "douche". Power could be based upon wealth. It could be social status. It could be physical strength or violence. This is what has happened since the beginning of time and will never change. BUT keep in mind that the top women are the ones who get commitment from the top men. Nowadays, average gals can fuck the top men but they won't get a commitment.

I would say that ascribing a decline to the family unit to the fact that women are now on more equal footing with men in terms of the consequences of sexual promiscuity is a little misogynistic. Is the attitude towards sex in our society different than it was a century ago? Absolutely, but there are a hell of a lot of factors contributing to that.

I don't think the amicus curiae briefs are particularly relevant. Just shows that a number of the people and organizations supporting Hobby Lobby are functionally clueless as to what the case is actually about, which is not surprising in the least.

 

[BotanyBoy]

So do you support Hobby Lobby's efforts to give a big "fuck you" to the rights of women and their employees and reduce coverage of contraceptives? Because if you do, you are very likely encouraging abortions that could otherwise have been avoided. You think abortion is murder. Do you want that blood on your hands?

He hates abortion...prob supports abstinence education and the death penalty too.

 

[StrangeLife]

Strangelife


Please explain your position in the context of this.:


It seems to me that your opposition is financial, not religious.

If insurance is covering birth control then you feel like that's money out of your pocket. Yet you have no problem with insurance covering pregnancy care, child birth, and the medical care of the resultant child.

From a purely financial perspective, it's a lot cheaper for insurance companies to cover birth control. Just like it's cheaper for insurance companies to cover yearly physicals/wellness exams. That's the reason they do it. In the big picture it saves money.

So I just don't get your opposition to it. It makes no sense, even from the basis of your argument.

My position is born out of principles rather than finance or religion.

Basically I'd rather give $100 to a worthy cause than 50 cent to somebody who doesn't deserve it. I believe in doing the right thing - also when it's not the cheapest or easiest option - because in the long run it is invariably best for everybody. Hence the name: "the right thing"

Thus I believe that everybody deserves good health care, affordable medicine and access to the latest procedures

But I don't want to pay for otherwise healthy people having sex, including their birth control and Viagra or whatever else they might need to facilitate the process. Because there are so many great things about sex and if those aren't enough motivation, then they don't deserve my help anyway.


Oh, and as far as the financial black-mail argument...

"If you don't give me money so I can do 'X', I'm gonna do 'Y' instead and that'll cost you a lot more. Naah naah naah."

... goes? Well, if you play Poker with me with your own future as the stake I'm dropping my cards and leaving the game.