Your "belief" is not more important than my reality.

[Lorilei]

Not entirely true, I got fixed after we had our second child.

And I watched to make sure they did it.

Sure, but that's sterilization, which is in a different class from birth control.

 

[about_average]

Sure, but that's sterilization, which is in a different class from birth control.

Different from birth control drugs, or medical implants, but I can guarantee you it's birth control. I only have two kids, which proves it controlled birth.

But to your original point, I pretty much agree.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Birth control for the purpose of allowing recreational sex is not a medical need any more than ammo for my hunting rifle is or batteries for my wireless keyboard.

Wrong. If it requires a medical prescription, there's a medical need.

No amount of spin on your part can change that fact.

 

[Wrong Element]

There are a lot of places online where I'd expect to see people waxing puritanical on the subject of "recreational sex," but I'm always a little surprised to see it here.

 

[julybaby04]

Then aside from condoms (which are unreliable), or sterilization, what do you suggest? You do know how babies are made, right?

I have 4 children.....I know very well!

The whole point of what I am saying is that demanding that birth control be paid for, for women is not a valid stance. There are other options, even the option that the man pay for it....if it is needed that much.

But to answer the question, abstaining from sex is 100% guarantee to not get pregnant and 100% free.

Also, if a women CHOOSES to have sex, then she needs to pay for it herself.

My gosh, we all act like there is no possible way a woman could NOT want to wait and have sex, nor could she possibly be responsible enough to make sure her partner is equally involved in making sure a pregnancy does not occur, and heaven forbid, she be mature enough to pay for this herself if she decides that the pill is her only option.

I am NOT talking about women who need this medically. This is strictly for birth control.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Actual quote from the Hobby Lobby v. Rational Humans fiasco, uttered by Chief Justice Roberts in response to another Justice who asked if companies could be forced to pay for abortions:

Okay (warning: impending caps lock).

The warning is appreciated.

WHAT the FUCK? "That they believe provide abortions"? WHAT? I don't CARE what they believe!!! Emergency contraceptives ARE NOT ABORTIFACIENTS! It's like "believing" 1+1 is 3. Which you can do, if you want! Be a complete ignoramus, if you like! It's your right! But your belief, religious or not, does not entitle you to ignore the law and stomp all the fuck over women's reproductive rights.

What a complete farce. How is this actually happening? What if a Scientologist-run company didn't want to cover any psychotropic drugs because of their genuine and closely-held belief that it will interfere with the ability for humans to channel intergalactic space lords?

Do you think religious beliefs are more valid or important than any other individually held belief? Why? Are they more important than reality?

Because of this:

The baby must survive, so that when it matures, it can be beaten to death by the rest of us with sticks.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Welcome To Life, Part One

 

[Byron In Exile]

If a woman were to have a cancerous tumor growing inside her, surgeons would remove it.

That would seem to apply to a fetus, as well.

She doesn't want it inside her, growing, sucking blood as parasites like liver flukes do.

It's her body.

End of discussion.

 

[Byron In Exile]

And John Roberts' "reality" is some twisted bullshit from the 17th century.

We ought to have grown up by now.

 

[Lorilei]

The fact remains, it's a prescription. Medical decisions are between a patient and his or her doctor. Employers have no place in that decision-making process.

 

[Byron In Exile]

You know, I used to wonder why the gods fucked with people.

And now, I get it.

It's a riot.

If I were on Mount Olympus, I'd fuck with you, too.

What a great clown show!!

 

[Byron In Exile]

Jehova's Witnesses will be able to deny any coverage that involves blood transfusions.

And you'll still be an idiot, so how does that affect the balance?

 

[Byron In Exile]

Exactly. And I don't want the Jewish and Muslim Conspiracies colluding in an attempt to prevent my doctor from writing me a prescription for bacon to treat my depression and medically-recognized bacon deficiencies.

Okay. In my country of Kazakhstan, we have three problem: 1) social, 2) economic, and 3) Jew.

My "belief" is that is we could find a way to eliminate Jew from all science, technology, and industry, then my country could prosper.

Also, Uzbeks. Assholes. They leap fires.

 

[Byron In Exile]

And often they don't succeed.

 

[Noor]

Okay. In my country of Kazakhstan, we have three problem: 1) social, 2) economic, and 3) Jew.

My "belief" is that is we could find a way to eliminate Jew from all science, technology, and industry, then my country could prosper.

Also, Uzbeks. Assholes. They leap fires.

Not amusing in the least, you are better than this.

 

[about_average]

I am NOT talking about women who need this medically. This is strictly for birth control.

So it's ok for a medicine to be paid for by insurance, depending on what the medicine is being used for?

 

[julybaby04]

So it's ok for a medicine to be paid for by insurance, depending on what the medicine is being used for?

Insurance is not bad.

Mandating and forcing people into a "right" kind of insurance is wrong.

Mandating and forcing people to pay for others healthcare that is in complete opposition to deeply held religious beliefs is wrong.

Mandating and forcing people to change their whole lives for the sake of political correctness is wrong.

 

[Lorilei]

Insurance is not bad.

Mandating and forcing people into a "right" kind of insurance is wrong.

Mandating and forcing people to pay for others healthcare that is in complete opposition to deeply held religious beliefs is wrong.

Mandating and forcing people to change their whole lives for the sake of political correctness is wrong.

I don't even know what you're referring to here, but mandating and forcing people to change their whole lives for the sake of someone else's "deeply held religious beliefs" is even more wrong. And civil rights are not a matter of "political correctness".

 

[ryan8558]

Forcing your deeply held religious beliefs on someone else is wrong.

 

[Tryharder62]

Forcing your deeply held religious beliefs on someone else is wrong.

But it's OK to force deeply held secular beliefs on someone else?

 

[Lorilei]

But it's OK to force deeply held secular beliefs on someone else?

Who's doing that? People who are opposed to birth control for religious reasons are not being forced to use it.

 

[Tryharder62]

Who's doing that? People who are opposed to birth control for religious reasons are not being forced to use it.

Neither is anybody being forced to work at Hobby Lobby who wants those 4 types of birth control out of the 20 some that are would still be available on the plan. Choices. It's all about choices.

 

[RobDownSouth]

But it's OK to force deeply held secular beliefs on someone else?

Such as?

 

[julybaby04]

I don't even know what you're referring to here, but mandating and forcing people to change their whole lives for the sake of someone else's "deeply held religious beliefs" is even more wrong. And civil rights are not a matter of "political correctness".

They are a matter of "political correctness" in this day.

Every decision that is made is made under the auspice of "political correctness". There are no moral absolutes. There are no rights/wrongs.

Decisions are made solely on how it will affect potential votes.

 

[Lorilei]

Neither is anybody being forced to work at Hobby Lobby who wants those 4 types of birth control out of the 20 some that are would still be available on the plan. Choices. It's all about choices.

Hobby Lobby isn't a religious organization. Their employees shouldn't have to bow down to the owners' religious beliefs.