Your "belief" is not more important than my reality.

[Phelia]

Actual quote from the Hobby Lobby v. Rational Humans fiasco, uttered by Chief Justice Roberts in response to another Justice who asked if companies could be forced to pay for abortions:

Isn't that what we are talking about in terms of their religious beliefs? That they have to pay for these four methods of contraception that they believe provide abortions?

Okay (warning: impending caps lock).

WHAT the FUCK? "That they believe provide abortions"? WHAT? I don't CARE what they believe!!! Emergency contraceptives ARE NOT ABORTIFACIENTS! It's like "believing" 1+1 is 3. Which you can do, if you want! Be a complete ignoramus, if you like! It's your right! But your belief, religious or not, does not entitle you to ignore the law and stomp all the fuck over women's reproductive rights.

What a complete farce. How is this actually happening? What if a Scientologist-run company didn't want to cover any psychotropic drugs because of their genuine and closely-held belief that it will interfere with the ability for humans to channel intergalactic space lords?

Do you think religious beliefs are more valid or important than any other individually held belief? Why? Are they more important than reality?

 

[Sean]

Jehova's Witnesses will be able to deny any coverage that involves blood transfusions.

 

[Phelia]

Jehova's Witnesses will be able to deny any coverage that involves blood transfusions.

Exactly. And I don't want the Jewish and Muslim Conspiracies colluding in an attempt to prevent my doctor from writing me a prescription for bacon to treat my depression and medically-recognized bacon deficiencies.

 

[Lorilei]

I'm having a really hard time wrapping my head around the fact that this is even being argued in 2014. It feels as though we've set the clock back about 75 years.

 

[Sean]

I'm having a really hard time wrapping my head around the fact that this is even being argued in 2014. It feels as though we've set the clock back about 75 years.

The rest of the Western world sits back with their mouths open when we look at American politics. It's why I find it so entertaining.

 

[bill-pix-trade]

The rest of the Western world sits back with their mouths open when we look at American politics. It's why I find it so entertaining.

I really don't think there is anything funny about it. It's fucking sad.

They want corporate protection but they don;t want corporate responsibility. It's fuck sad.

 

[Disgustipated]

The rest of the Western world sits back with their mouths open when we look at American politics. It's why I find it so entertaining.

You'd think it'd get better but it seems to be regressing.

 

[Phelia]

I'm having a really hard time wrapping my head around the fact that this is even being argued in 2014. It feels as though we've set the clock back about 75 years.

And that's the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court! Like, WHAT? I don't know how the three women Justices are handling themselves right now. I would've snapped ages ago and started dosing Scalia's morning coffee with a generous helping of estrogen.

No problems with Viagra, though. God doesn't mind a nice, rock-hard cock. Just gross, slutty vaginas. Jesus dies for everyone's sins except women's. Rejoice in the Glory of His creation!

 

[Sean]

And that's the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court! Like, WHAT? I don't know how the three women Justices are handling themselves right now. I would've snapped ages ago and started dosing Scalia's morning coffee with a generous helping of estrogen.

No problems with Viagra, though. God doesn't mind a nice, rock-hard cock. Just gross, slutty vaginas. Jesus dies for everyone's sins except women's. Rejoice in the Glory of His creation!

I can't wait to hear Ruth Bader Ginsberg on this one.

 

[Busybody]

looks like Ole FeelyMeelyMouth has decoupled from sanity

welcome to LIBLOONVILLE

 

[Busybody]

And that's the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court! Like, WHAT? I don't know how the three women Justices are handling themselves right now. I would've snapped ages ago and started dosing Scalia's morning coffee with a generous helping of estrogen.

No problems with Viagra, though. God doesn't mind a nice, rock-hard cock. Just gross, slutty vaginas. Jesus dies for everyone's sins except women's. Rejoice in the Glory of His creation!

you really DONT know what the issue is


OBVIOUSLY!

 

[JohnnySavage]

Exactly. And I don't want the Jewish and Muslim Conspiracies colluding in an attempt to prevent my doctor from writing me a prescription for bacon to treat my depression and medically-recognized bacon deficiencies.

I'm ok with that because I don't care much for bacon.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Do you think religious beliefs are more valid or important than any other individually held belief? Why? Are they more important than reality?

Religious beliefs and the right of their "free exercise" ARE more important than most other individually held beliefs for the very SAME reason that women's reproductive rights are important; they are both codified and protected by law.

Religious beliefs are protected by the First Amendment and women's reproductive rights are protected by statutory law and various court decisions.

Respondents in this case believe that a provision of the Affordable Care Act is compelling them by force of law to perform a specific act contrary to their religious beliefs and in violation of First Amendment protection. Whenever two different laws appear to act in conflict with each other and where that conflict arguably results in a specific harm or burden to an individual, it is appropriate for the aggrieved individual to take the matter to court for a legal resolution.

I don't believe Hobby Lobby will win this dispute because I believe they are asserting their religious protection rights under the First Amendment far too broadly. They are simply wrong on the legal merits.

But the matter of free exercise of religion as a moral principle and legal right should not be minimized and the parameters of that right are appropriately brought before courts of law whenever they need clarification or enforcement.

 

[Busybody]

^^^doesn't get what the case is about

 

[Sean Renaud]

Is anybody else scared that Freddy Kruger is talking about an invisible man?

 

[Colonel Hogan]

^^^doesn't get what the case is about

Perhaps you could enlighten me.

 

[Busybody]

its NOT about BC

they PAY for 22 out of 27 methods

its about AFTER fucking BC


huge difference

 

[IrezumiKiss]

No problems with Viagra, though. God doesn't mind a nice, rock-hard cock. Just gross, slutty vaginas. Jesus dies for everyone's sins except women's. Rejoice in the Glory of His creation!

http://rs144.pbsrc.com/albums/r200/pixel-panther/More%20photos%20Yay/Atomic_Explosion_GIf_by_merovech1.gif~c200

BOOM SHOT.

 

[about_average]

Religious beliefs and the right of their "free exercise" ARE more important than most other individually held beliefs for the very SAME reason that women's reproductive rights are important; they are both codified and protected by law.

Religious beliefs are protected by the First Amendment and women's reproductive rights are protected by statutory law and various court decisions.

Respondents in this case believe that a provision of the Affordable Care Act is compelling them by force of law to perform a specific act contrary to their religious beliefs and in violation of First Amendment protection. Whenever two different laws appear to act in conflict with each other and where that conflict arguably results in a specific harm or burden to an individual, it is appropriate for the aggrieved individual to take the matter to court for a legal resolution.

I don't believe Hobby Lobby will win this dispute because I believe they are asserting their religious protection rights under the First Amendment far too broadly. They are simply wrong on the legal merits.

But the matter of free exercise of religion as a moral principle and legal right should not be minimized and the parameters of that right are appropriately brought before courts of law whenever they need clarification or enforcement.

Another aspect is that, by law, what HL are objecting to aren't defined as abortifacients.
If HL wins the case, I could see looming ban on any federal $$ being allowed to be used for them.

 

[ryan8558]

I'm ok with that because I don't care much for bacon.

Now that's just fucking unAmerican....

 

[Wrong Element]

A post you didn't see if, like many people with a low tolerance for drivel, you have Amicus on Ignore:

What decision?

Not getting pregnant is not a medical decision. It is a moral decision.

 

[Lorilei]

If men could get pregnant, this wouldn't even be an issue.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

If men could get pregnant, this wouldn't even be an issue.

http://rs144.pbsrc.com/albums/r200/pixel-panther/More%20photos%20Yay/Atomic_Explosion_GIf_by_merovech1.gif~c200

BOOM SHOT.

 

[GermanGoddess]

If men could get pregnant, this wouldn't even be an issue.

This is such an annoying cliche thing to say. We don't know how the world would be if men could get pregnant. Stop throwing around generalities and acting like a victim because of your gender.

 

[smallgirl]

Actual quote from the Hobby Lobby v. Rational Humans fiasco, uttered by Chief Justice Roberts in response to another Justice who asked if companies could be forced to pay for abortions:



Okay (warning: impending caps lock).

WHAT the FUCK? "That they believe provide abortions"? WHAT? I don't CARE what they believe!!! Emergency contraceptives ARE NOT ABORTIFACIENTS! It's like "believing" 1+1 is 3. Which you can do, if you want! Be a complete ignoramus, if you like! It's your right! But your belief, religious or not, does not entitle you to ignore the law and stomp all the fuck over women's reproductive rights.

What a complete farce. How is this actually happening? What if a Scientologist-run company didn't want to cover any psychotropic drugs because of their genuine and closely-held belief that it will interfere with the ability for humans to channel intergalactic space lords?

Do you think religious beliefs are more valid or important than any other individually held belief? Why? Are they more important than reality?

I thought church and state are separate? Contraception is a church issue, paying for it isn't.

That's just the way I see it.