Six Ways America is Like a Third-World Country

[StrangeLife]

Dead serious. Technically anybody who dies without a kid can be labeled an abject failure. Personally I think we currently live in a world where I'd rather my philosophy live on than my DNA but that doesn't blind me to the scientific facts. Besides my son will be soaking in my philosophy from the second he's born. . .

"Technically anybody who dies without a kid can be labeled an abject failure."

In other words, you see the meaning of life as "procreation of the species?"

All that stuff about pursuit of knowledge, happiness, experiences, self-realization, growing as a person.... what most of us identify with "living" is simply distractions from our true path? Congratulations. You just nullified ten thousand years of social development and declared us to be no different than any other plant or amoeba.

We have a fundamental difference in life-philosophy, I suspect. I see us as a higher lifeform that has evolved to the point where we have control over our own destiny. Having kids is a choice. Of course as a species we need to breed to survive, but it's not like we're short of people anywhere on the planet. There are plenty who are willing to pick up the slack. Many people breed whether we pay them or not, so why pay for something that's free?

...you're not paying for her pregnancy.

Money isn't created out of nothing Sean, so the only way she can get paid for not working is if somebody else is working without getting paid. Who should do that? Me? I want to spend all the free time I have with my kids - I want to spend my money on them. Why should my kids miss out so I can pay for her kids?

Third can we apply this loony logic to other things? Can I say refuse you entry to the ER because I don't want to pay for your snowboarding accidents?

Like you say, that's an "accident."

Pregnancies can happen by accident too - true - but even in the insurance world you operate with the notion of "intent" and an implicit obligation to do damage control (the latter being getting a pack of Plan B asap). If you choose to let a pregnancy run it's course, you're in the same bracket as a guy standing idle by watching his house getting flooded because of a busted pipe. You get no compensation. The same goes for situations caused by neglect.

Should I refuse your children an education because you can't read? Should I deny you protection because you can't be arsed to learn how to fight off an entire gang by yourself? Can I deny you a road because you're too fucking lazy to pave the way yourself?

C'mon - that's totally different. Those are basic societal structures. Stuff needed in order to make our civilization function. You are comparing apples and oranges now.

Well that's pretty much impossible. Following your plan is a large part of why so many industrial nations have declining birthrates. And in this case even if she was financially stable becoming pregnant would make her no longer financially stable unless she's RICH. Not stable, but rich. The kind who can afford to take six months to a year off from work with no consequences. Most people will never find themselves in that situation.

We can however, and should CREATE those circumstances. You want a better society, once again tell me why Europe has better upward mobility than we do. The answer is of course a robust social welfare system that enables work. We don't have that here.

Wrong.

You don't have to be rich in order to bring up a kid. It's about priorities, is all. Get some education, a decent home, put money aside for six months and take a leave of absence right after the kid is born. Rinse and repeat a few times, if you want more than one. That's it. Why involve the state or me?

The issue with the declining birth rate is largely based on hysteria. It's a self-regulating system - either we attract more immigrants to fill the void or our wages will go up and give more families the ability to afford more kids. As said earlier, we have no shortage of people on the Earth...

 

[Sean Renaud]

"Technically anybody who dies without a kid can be labeled an abject failure."

In other words, you see the meaning of life as "procreation of the species?"

All that stuff about pursuit of knowledge, happiness, experiences, self-realization, growing as a person.... what most of us identify with "living" is simply distractions from our true path? Congratulations. You just nullified ten thousand years of social development and declared us to be no different than any other plant or amoeba.

We have a fundamental difference in life-philosophy, I suspect. I see us as a higher lifeform that has evolved to the point where we have control over our own destiny. Having kids is a choice. Of course as a species we need to breed to survive, but it's not like we're short of people anywhere on the planet. There are plenty who are willing to pick up the slack. Many people breed whether we pay them or not, so why pay for something that's free?

Didn't read didja?

Money isn't created out of nothing Sean, so the only way she can get paid for not working is if somebody else is working without getting paid. Who should do that? Me? I want to spend all the free time I have with my kids - I want to spend my money on them. Why should my kids miss out so I can pay for her kids?

Actually it is. What you're talking about is physical stuff which we as a society have long since gotten past really laboring all that much for. And the "necessary" stuff we outsource to illegal anyway.

Like you say, that's an "accident."

Pregnancies can happen by accident too - true - but even in the insurance world you operate with the notion of "intent" and an implicit obligation to do damage control (the latter being getting a pack of Plan B asap). If you choose to let a pregnancy run it's course, you're in the same bracket as a guy standing idle by watching his house getting flooded because of a busted pipe. You get no compensation. The same goes for situations caused by neglect.

Again, it's not compensation. Whatever though I see that you like the American economy the way it is and don't want any of that upward mobility shit.

C'mon - that's totally different. Those are basic societal structures. Stuff needed in order to make our civilization function. You are comparing apples and oranges now.

This is an even MORE basic societal structure. Kids need to be born. You're right I am comparing apples and oranges, I compared the one thing that is ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY NECESSARY to a bunch of crap we could do with out if we tried.

Wrong.

You don't have to be rich in order to bring up a kid. It's about priorities, is all. Get some education, a decent home, put money aside for six months and take a leave of absence right after the kid is born. Rinse and repeat a few times, if you want more than one. That's it. Why involve the state or me?

The issue with the declining birth rate is largely based on hysteria. It's a self-regulating system - either we attract more immigrants to fill the void or our wages will go up and give more families the ability to afford more kids. As said earlier, we have no shortage of people on the Earth...

You live in a wonderful dream. One I wish I could share. But I don't. I don't know many people who's priorities have landed them in a place to take six months to a year off without consequence. I just don't.

I don't disagree with the lack of people, but the declining birth rate is still CAUSED by several things. Just because the solution is already in the mix doesn't mean there wasn't a problem, nor that the problem won't eventually overcome the solution.

 

[jeninflorida]

well, as obama sinks America and welfare goes away does this mean your kind will have to get jobs?

maybe barter?

how will you eat?

if you lived in Mexico, how would you eat? lets face reality, you have ZERO kills and not sure they need someone to cut and past bull shit day after day ....

were getting close to the end of America - 2020 we will pay more in obama interested then we spend on the Military....soon, 100% of the GDP will go to pay the obama debt


so what will you do?
is your kind worried?

From Rolling Stone:

 

[StrangeLife]

This is an even MORE basic societal structure. Kids need to be born. You're right I am comparing apples and oranges, I compared the one thing that is ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY NECESSARY to a bunch of crap we could do with out if we tried.

Kids need to be born, but some kids are more valuable than others. And before you pull out the Hitler card I'm talking about value to society. Not as human beings.

But because of social inheritance statistics say that kids born into families who can't afford kids in the first place have a relatively high likelihood of ending up in the same situation as their parents. In other words, kids that society has to pay for is likely get kids themselves that society has to pay for and so on.

You live in a wonderful dream. One I wish I could share. But I don't. I don't know many people who's priorities have landed them in a place to take six months to a year off without consequence. I just don't.

I don't disagree with the lack of people, but the declining birth rate is still CAUSED by several things. Just because the solution is already in the mix doesn't mean there wasn't a problem, nor that the problem won't eventually overcome the solution.

I see you as the dreamer Sean. I understand where you're coming from and I wish you were right, but I think you're forgetting to sprinkle a dose of economic realism on top of your nice hot bowl of idealism.

Raising a kid from birth to adulthood and providing it with a good start in life with a college degree will set you back about $200K over 20 years... and that is per kid. If you can't pay that amount, your kids will start out with the odds stacked against them. Thankfully we have scholarships and the military to help and some kids are tough enough to claw their way up and break the circle.

But alas social inheritance is alive and well. One of those welfare-moms with five kids - thats a $million worth of offspring, if you were to raise them properly - is more likely to help populate the ghetto and the local prison than creating the next generation of productive citizens. I don't think we should pay her for that.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Vette, making Communism look good on a daily basis. I wonder if this is why America's young people are starting to view socialism favorably. It's hard to keep up the hate when this is what you have to defend to be against it.

Let's hope it's not too late by the time people really wake up.

 

[julybaby04]

No, not everything, but lots of things, this amongst them. Note the dodge on why the law was changed when it was devastating whites but not when it was devastating blacks and browns. Because JB knows the answer.

I know your proud of being a slave and living on your knees. That's fine, I wish you wouldn't vote since you're going off to happy fluffy land and I have to make the best of things here a place you don't give a shit about because you're leaving someday when I'll be rotting but still. I don't begrudge you that, I do however point out that it colors your thoughts.

An exception IS a loophole. I'm not at all mad I didn't think of it first, I'd be ashamed not only to take advantage of it but to be part of the group of people who made it necessary. But I believe in responsibility and things like that. Anyway like I said, you like the rules you agree with.

You like rules, they make life easier. . .you want smaller government that doesn't create as many rules. God I wish I was good enough at double think to be a Republican. Can you please tell me what drugs you're on that allows you contradict yourself and not have your brain explode?

I do wish you would act on the responsibility you say you believe in. In most of your posts you go against anything that truly makes sense. You are a rebel and very proud of it. You have no desire for a normal, decent society and you thrive on supporting as much upheavel as possible.

As far as drugs, I don't need them. Never have needed them to make my life better. Perhaps if you chose to use less of them, your life would actually open up to true happiness.

 

[julybaby04]

This is America and you are free to call your self a Christian. Whereas, I am a Christian, just not a very good one, you are something else, altogether.

Fortunately, is it up to God to decide who is truly Christian and who is not. If I were happy not being a good Christian, I think I would be indepth in the Bible to figure out what was going wrong.....just a thought.

I am not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but I also will not forgo what God stands for to replace it with the ever-changing ideas and morals made up by man. I am much more secure in my belief in God than I could EVER be in man.

 

[Sean]

Fortunately, is it up to God to decide who is truly Christian and who is not. If I were happy not being a good Christian, I think I would be indepth in the Bible to figure out what was going wrong.....just a thought.

I am not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but I also will not forgo what God stands for to replace it with the ever-changing ideas and morals made up by man. I am much more secure in my belief in God than I could EVER be in man.

Ah. So slavery is cool by you, that whole emancipation thing was was just one of those things made up by man. And having your daughters gang raped to glorify God, that's Ok too, because paedophilia is just one of those rules made up by man, right?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Why are the prison tariffs for crack cocaine so much higher than for powder? They're exactly the same drug.

Sentences for crack cocaine were finally equalized to cocaine in 2011.

Black crackheads are still scary to most white folks, but it was costing a shit-ton of money to "lock 'em up and throw away the key".

 

[RobDownSouth]

Fortunately, is it up to God to decide who is truly Christian and who is not. If I were happy not being a good Christian, I think I would be indepth in the Bible to figure out what was going wrong.....just a thought.

I am not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but I also will not forgo what God stands for to replace it with the ever-changing ideas and morals made up by man. I am much more secure in my belief in God than I could EVER be in man.

You pervert and profane the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[bronzeage]

Fortunately, is it up to God to decide who is truly Christian and who is not. If I were happy not being a good Christian, I think I would be indepth in the Bible to figure out what was going wrong.....just a thought.

I am not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but I also will not forgo what God stands for to replace it with the ever-changing ideas and morals made up by man. I am much more secure in my belief in God than I could EVER be in man.

You have been deceived and perhaps worse, stand as a poor witness for Jesus. Christ. You show no compassion or love for people, so no matter how you protest, cannot have any love for God.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Get your genes into the next generation, is the name of the game.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

As a general rule I don't do sarcasm. It carries poorly over the internet. So I'd already given you the benefit of the doubt.




It's her biological imperitive. She SHOULD have kids. Europe and to a lesser extent America can tell you what happens when women DON'T have enough kids to keep the machinery running. Lets not forget that unemployment numbers aside we have a bunch of illegals (largely Mexican) who we invite in because we don't have enough labor/spoiled (because we got good at doing shit and refused to pay for it)

You and I however should want to pay for it because the alternative in reality is not her NOT having the child. It's her ending up on food stamps and never paying us back. So do you want to pay a lump sum now and get dividends later or do you want to pay her for the rest of her life, and the kids life since poverty is generational?



Yeah. That's simply not reality for 90% of people. And it's true for zero great people.

Spoken just like an Evangelical...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

This whole discussion has devolved to its natural new-age liberal level; women are hapless victims to their own biology, breeders who have to be supported for the benefit of the rest of it.

They need Uncle Sam to be their Sugar Daddy and Uncle Sam needs YOU!

 

[jeninflorida]

Ah. So slavery is cool by you, that whole emancipation thing was was just one of those things made up by man. And having your daughters gang raped to glorify God, that's Ok too, because paedophilia is just one of those rules made up by man, right?

speaking about slaves ... how is the little junkie this morning?

got crack? or did you upgrade to Meth yet?

pathetic little bitch you are

 

[jeninflorida]

You have been deceived and perhaps worse, stand as a poor witness for Jesus. Christ. You show no compassion or love for people, so no matter how you protest, cannot have any love for God.

Jesus, you are getting whacky in your old age. because someone doesn't support the fucked up ways of asshat obama, you think they have no compassion?

your kind has no compassion as you support SLAVERY

 

[Sean Renaud]

Kids need to be born, but some kids are more valuable than others. And before you pull out the Hitler card I'm talking about value to society. Not as human beings.

Funny, you ask me not to bring up Hitler when you use his philosophy. Of course this is at the heart of many conservatives so I shouldn't be surprised. I simply thought you were smart enough not to both bring it up and call attention to it.

But because of social inheritance statistics say that kids born into families who can't afford kids in the first place have a relatively high likelihood of ending up in the same situation as their parents. In other words, kids that society has to pay for is likely get kids themselves that society has to pay for and so on.

Exactly. So why not work on fixing that?

I see you as the dreamer Sean. I understand where you're coming from and I wish you were right, but I think you're forgetting to sprinkle a dose of economic realism on top of your nice hot bowl of idealism.

Europe does this all day long, America is the only place that doesn't. And again our social mobility sucks because of things like this.

Raising a kid from birth to adulthood and providing it with a good start in life with a college degree will set you back about $200K over 20 years... and that is per kid. If you can't pay that amount, your kids will start out with the odds stacked against them. Thankfully we have scholarships and the military to help and some kids are tough enough to claw their way up and break the circle.

I'd be interested to see how you did your math but again that sounds like something we aught work towards fixing. After all we claim to live in a meritocracy.

But alas social inheritance is alive and well. One of those welfare-moms with five kids - thats a $million worth of offspring, if you were to raise them properly - is more likely to help populate the ghetto and the local prison than creating the next generation of productive citizens. I don't think we should pay her for that.[/QUOTE]

So kill it, kill it dead.

As for your second point ghetto mommas are largely a myth.

 

[jeninflorida]

as obama sinks the economy and the country ... and as we spend more to support the obama debt there will be less to support the obama welfare slaves

so, does this mean you lazy obama fucktards will now be forced to get jobs? must suck, to know you have to get off your ass and face the music of life

welfare, obamacare are not careers - get a fucking job

 

[bronzeage]

as obama sinks the economy and the country ... and as we spend more to support the obama debt there will be less to support the obama welfare slaves

so, does this mean you lazy obama fucktards will now be forced to get jobs? must suck, to know you have to get off your ass and face the music of life

welfare, obamacare are not careers - get a fucking job

You don't have a job and someone else pays for your healthcare insurance.

You need to check the batteries in your CO monitor, but it's probably too late.

 

[julybaby04]

You have been deceived and perhaps worse, stand as a poor witness for Jesus. Christ. You show no compassion or love for people, so no matter how you protest, cannot have any love for God.

You don't know me...you have no idea what I do, so in knowing that fact, your opinion of me means absolutely nothing.

However, I will say this, you may view my as a poor witness for Christ, but I would suggest you might want to look at yourself first.

God does not need people who call themselves Christian to support every morally corrupt idea that floats by. God needs his children to stand up for Him....not that He needs that to be God, of course not....but He does not need people calling themselves Christians and accepting all sin as ok.

I would suggest that those who call themselves Christians had better decide who they truly follow......God or the deceitful ways of the world. It cannot be both!

 

[Sean]

Ah. So slavery is cool by you, that whole emancipation thing was was just one of those things made up by man. And having your daughters gang raped to glorify God, that's Ok too, because paedophilia is just one of those rules made up by man, right?

Guess Julybigot decided to gloss over this.

 

[julybaby04]

Guess Julybigot decided to gloss over this.

I just truly don't see the importance of responding to you. You have your own impression of me and doubt there is anything I could say that you would not turn inside out to support your incorrect views.

It is easier to just pass you by.

Plus...I think your views are incredibly ignorant.

 

[Sean]

I just truly don't see the importance of responding to you. You have your own impression of me and doubt there is anything I could say that you would not turn inside out to support your incorrect views.

It is easier to just pass you by.

Plus...I think your views are incredibly ignorant.

So which is it, the word of god or the laws of man? Because your bible condones slavery, paedophilia, incest and gang rape.

And you don't get to call anyone ignorant, you're as retarded as Jen.

 

[julybaby04]

So which is it, the word of god or the laws of man? Because your bible condones slavery, paedophilia, incest and gang rape.

And you don't get to call anyone ignorant, you're as retarded as Jen.

The funny thing is, I am allowed to say what I wish....and I view you as very self-centered and ignorant in who God is.

My opinion.....too bad if you don't like it.

 

[Sean]

The funny thing is, I am allowed to say what I wish....and I view you as very self-centered and ignorant in who God is.

My opinion.....too bad if you don't like it.

You won't answer the question, will you? Which do you expect people to live by, the word of your god, which approves of slavery, paedophilia, incest and gang rape, or the laws of man, which don't?