Will Ukraine situation lead to World War III?

[KingOrfeo]

\The only real question is where is he?

On the lam, apparently.

 

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You'll notice if you can go back and read my posts I never called Bush II a dictator or tyrant. Again if you go back and read my posts you'll notice I'm critical of both Democrats and Obama.

Of course you didn't do either of those things and here's how I can tell: you claim to have a PhD and own a business but can't get the correct you're. Good job.

Moving on after that massive owning of botany again...

Obama seems to have a reluctance to starting wars. Which is a good thing. It means he kept his "no dumb war" policy. Though the most recent example of Syria his ass got saved by Putin and a strong push back from both the right and left.

Really?

Frizzle Fried has posted he has a PhD?

Is that true, Fried?

 

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[KingOrfeo]

If he's not going to do anything, he should probably not be warning Putin to stay out of the Ukraine as if he would.

There are a lot of things he can do to Putin that don't involve armed force. You know this, it's a basic fact of modern international relations in a globalized economy.

 

[JustaSCOUNDREL]

You left out the Afghan War for some reason. Looking at your list +Afghan I would take the Democrats to war far earlier than the Republicans. The Dems fought WWI and WWII both of which are universally agreed to be wars we should have gotten involved with. I'll take the fuck ups of Vietnam and Korea both decades ago over the current group of wars floating about any day of the week.

Sean, I sort of included todays Afgan. war in with Gulf War II. Afgan. was really the opening of Gulf War II which we seemed to have the upper hand until we took our eye and attention off the ball with attack on Iraq.

I did not differentiate as to whether or not a war was one we should or should not entered. My only point was to refute Bot.s contention it is/was only the Right Wing who always wants a war.

I find it odd you didn't bother to correct Vette though instead of Bot. Vettes the one who thinks Dems or OBama won't go to war because they are worthless bitches.

I did not correct Vette because I do not disagree with his contention, Pres. Obama does not have the stomach and, as of right now, the ability to field a force capable of defeating the Russians. Were we to put boots on the ground I guarantee the Russians will damn well be there post haste. The Ukraine has had very close political and economic ties with Russia for about a 100 years and Putin would see U.S troops in there as very much the same thing as us invading Mother Russia and would react quickly and with everything he had.

That leaves Pres. Obama with little, but words.

 

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[JustaSCOUNDREL]

And history has what to do with the fact that the last 30 years of GOP politics has been one giant police, prison and military industrial dick suck after another??

Currently who has the most financial interest in military conflict?

That's the fuck right Cleatus....now turn your GOP dick suck compulsion down there Limbaugh Jr. and you might learn something.

Had you posted a link that worked I would have read it and my have changed my mind, but since you seem to be incapable I'll stand by my original comment.

A little something for you boy, I am a registered Independent voter and have been since before you were born.

Fucking kids these days. (shakes head)

 

[renard_ruse]

Ron Paul on Ukraine

Ron Paul writing for Russia Today...

Last week Ukraine saw its worst violence since the break-up of the Soviet Union over 20 years ago.

Protesters occupying the main square in the capitol city, Kiev, clashed with police leaving many protesters and police dead and many more wounded. It is an ongoing tragedy and it looks like there is no end in sight.

The current conflict stems from a divide between western Ukraine, which seeks a closer association with the European Union, and the eastern part of the country, which has closer historic ties to Russia.


The usual interventionists in the US have long meddled in the internal affairs of Ukraine. In 2004 it was US government money that helped finance the Orange Revolution, as US-funded NGOs favoring one political group over the other were able to change the regime. These same people have not given up on Ukraine. They keep pushing their own agenda for Ukraine behind the scenes, even as they ridicule anyone who claims US involvement.

A recent leaked telephone conversation between two senior government officials made it clear that not only was the US involved in the Ukrainian unrest, the US was actually seeking to determine who should make up the next Ukrainian government!

Senator John McCain, who has made several trips to Ukraine recently to meet with the opposition, wrote last week that the US must stand up to support the territorial integrity of Ukraine, including Crimea.

Why are US government officials so eager to tell the Ukrainians what they should do? Has anyone bothered to ask the Ukrainians? What if might help alleviate the ongoing violence and bloodshed, if the Ukrainians decided to re-make the country as a looser confederation of regions rather than one tightly controlled by a central government? Perhaps Ukraine engaged in peaceful trade with countries both to the west and east would benefit all sides. But outside powers seem to be fighting a proxy war, with Ukraine suffering the most because of it.

If you asked most Americans how they feel, my bet is that you would discover they are sick and tired of the US government getting involved in every crisis that arises. Certainly the American people want none of of this intervention in Ukraine. They understand, as recent polls have shown, that our interventionist foreign policy is only creating more enemies overseas. And they also understand that we are out of money. We could not afford to be the policemen of world even if we wanted to be.

And I bet if we asked the Ukrainians, a vast majority of them would prefer that the US — and Russia and the European Union — stay out their affairs and respect their sovereignty. Is it so difficult to understand why people resent being lectured and bribed by foreign governments? All we need to do is put ourselves in the place of the Ukrainians and ask ourselves how we would feel if we were in the middle of a tug-of-war between a very strong Canada on one side and a very strong Mexico on the other. We would resent it as well. So let’s keep our hands off of Ukraine and let them solve their own problems!

http://rt.com/op-edge/leave-ukraine-alone-501/

 

[renard_ruse]

Neo-cons accuse Obama of being "too weak" on Russia

Instead of using the US meddling in Ukraine as an opportunity to call for America First policies of non-interventionism, the establishment wing of the GOP and prominent neo-conservatives, as diverse as John McCain and Rush Limbaugh and many Tea Party leaders, accuse the Obama administration and the "liberals" of not being involved enough in Ukraine and not being sufficiently anti-Russia.

These people must be complete morons. They have a golden opportunity to take a stand against the interventionism of the Democrats and instead try to outdo them by demanding more intervention in other countries.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Medvedev is a-bitchin'.

 

[renard_ruse]

Had you posted a link that worked I would have read it and my have changed my mind, but since you seem to be incapable I'll stand by my original comment.

A little something for you boy, I am a registered Independent voter and have been since before you were born.

How do you "register" as an independent? Independent means you don't have a party affiliation. You don't "register" as an independent, you simply don't register with a party.

 

[renard_ruse]

Medvedev is a-bitchin'.

Hey, King, why are you supporting the same Russophobia as John McCain, Rush Limbaugh, and the Tea Party? Just curious.

 

[KingOrfeo]

How do you "register" as an independent? Independent means you don't have a party affiliation. You don't "register" as an independent, you simply don't register with a party.

It means you register to vote and check the "No Party Affiliation" box.

 

[renard_ruse]

It means you register to vote and check the "No Party Affiliation" box.

I think it varies between states. In California, you don't check anything. Its by default.

Other states are stupid.

 

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Here's Ron Paul's weak spot in his reasoning that you seem to endorse, ruse...

All we need to do is put ourselves in the place of the Ukrainians and ask ourselves how we would feel if we were in the middle of a tug-of-war between a very strong Canada on one side and a very strong Mexico on the other. We would resent it as well. So let’s keep our hands off of Ukraine and let them solve their own

If America was in a tug-of-war between Canada and Mexico, there would be multitudes of Americans on all sides seeking outside assistance from any number of willing parties...

...just as there are multitudes of Ukrainians eager for the assistance from a number of outside interests today.

Mr. Paul's political utopia (can't we all just get along and, at the same time, leave each other alone) has always been why, despite his almighty stands on individual liberty...

...he's spun his wheels so much.

 

[renard_ruse]

Here's Ron Paul's weak spot in his reasoning that you seem to endorse, ruse...

Its not a weak spot at all. We should mind our own business. That's the right thing to do.

 

[eyer]

Its not a weak spot at all. We should mind our own business. That's the right thing to do.

You're mainlining the unicorn juice pretty heavy tonite, ruse...

...what planet, in which universe, have you landed upon?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Fair enough.


That said I still have absolutely no reason to believe that Obama is particularly less likely to start a war than Bush was based on his observable actions.

This^^

You'll notice if you can go back and read my posts I never called Bush II a dictator or tyrant. Again if you go back and read my posts you'll notice I'm critical of both Democrats and Obama.

Since the fuck when?

Rhetorical question dan...
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kill yourself.

Of course you didn't do either of those things and here's how I can tell: you claim to have a PhD and own a business but can't get the correct you're. Good job.

I do? Since when did I ever claim to have a PhD??

I do own a business....no one ever claimed botanist had the best Engerish skills.

Well I fucked up my spelling, that means everything is a lie, you got me dan, irrefutable evidence you got there LOL.

Moving on after that massive owning of botany again...

Pointing out spelling error = massive owning? LOL

Obama seems to have a reluctance to starting wars

He has a reluctance to ending them too.....

Oh, we all make typeing misteaks now and then.

Yep...it is what it is...

Really?

Frizzle Fried has posted he has a PhD?

Is that true, Fried?

Nope....never claimed I had a PhD, after I finished my Biology/Chem degree I had an opportunity to go to grad school and was debating it while I continued being a "Lab assistant" at the uni. I decided .....fuck grad school....I already grow/cultivate killer everything....time to get paid.

Dan's just a twat and decided to assign me the claim.

Had you posted a link that worked I would have read it and my have changed my mind, but since you seem to be incapable I'll stand by my original comment.

I don't need a link, just a good ol' boy RW saying....follow the money and that money trail from the defense/prison/police industry to DC veers heavily to the right and has since Reagan upped the militarization of our police in the name of the war on drugs, and all on his own started a multi billion dollar prison welfare system with his 20 year mandatory minimums....again war on drugs.

No it's not exclusively RW...but since St.Ronnie the vast majority of the military/LE everything from merchandise sold to the public to F-22 Raptors....heavily RW.

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?Ind=D


SO!! You can tout your political line history.....and buy that...whatever you want.

I'm going to bank on a far older and more accurate observation of history......follow the money.

A little something for you boy, I am a registered Independent voter and have been since before you were born.

OHHHHHHH!!!! Congratu-fuckin'-lations grandpa.....reality is the war machine has had the GOP on the pay roll for bout 30 fuckin' years.

Fucking kids these days. (shakes head)

Old fuckers these days....god damn grandpa L2GooglFu

 

[badbabysitter]

If he's not going to do anything, he should probably not be warning Putin to stay out of the Ukraine as if he would. Then he wouldn't have to look like a cowardly liberal when he gets his bluff called like he did in Syria.

Oh and did you bother to read the refutation I posted of your bullshit about abortion stats? Just askin.

you just reinforced everything I just said


and I did respond to that...even before you made this post


unlike you, I have a busy life outside of Lit..so when I go away for a few days from the site..it's not because I'm running from anything, it's because I have a life

and if we're going to talk about refuting bullshit... you made some very tall claims about abortion and maragaret Sanger that I called you on..you said you could refute it... I called you on it


the difference is... I responded to your post

you still haven't responded to mine

in closing... you're a hypocrite and a coward

 

[dan_c00000]

Putin didn't actually save his ass, though. Obama formed the deal with him when he met him at the summit that was going on prior to the shebang's escalation. So Putin got to wave his dick in the open (that the conservatives on here gleefully gobbled up and made him their male hero poster boy for about a week) and Obama was like, "hey, this is all on your dime now, say what you want, I got the job done with no mess, I'm on next shit."

Yes, that's true. Putin wasn't the one and only who pulled Obama's feet out of the fire but he certainly did his part. Putin's NY Times op-ed about the rebels being the one to use chemical weapons was priceless in it's "uh what?"-ness.

Also did botany boy post something? Probably crying out his ass like he always does when I own him. Anyway, here this is for him.

http://www.icompositions.com/music/uploads/529/92032Would_You_Like_Cheese_With_That_Whine.png

 

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