Increasing consensus view on the Ukraine situation: scripted theater agreed to by both "west" and Russia?

[mayfly13]

It is true Putin didn’t take overt action during the trump administration. Why would he when trump believed him over his own security agencies. And Putin didn’t want to distract trump from trying to destroy democracy from within.

On the other hand, maybe he missed his best opportunity by not attacking when trump was prez.



Yes, the big red button thing. But then they fell in love and trump received many letters full of glowing praise from Kim, and trump gave him legitimacy on the world stage and cancelled war games NK felt threatened by.

Hey, what's your take on this?

I just read an Australian blog (they, too are anti-Putin, not the renard-russe type)
which claims that Western Intel interferences in Donbass and Kazachstan, to stir and magnify the already existing unrest
are the straw that broke Putin's back.
on top of Nato cornering of Russia on so many fronts (Bulgaria, Romania, Turkey, potentially Ukraine)

Putin's invasion of Ukraine Was undoubtly imperialistic and unlawful/ genocidal towards Ukrainians
but the above highlighted,
but those didn't help.

 

[ll74]

Hey, what's your take on this?

I just read an Australian blog (they, too are anti-Putin, not the renard-russe type)
which claims that Western Intel interferences in Donbass and Kazachstan, to stir and magnify the already existing unrest
are the straw that broke Putin's back.
on top of Nato cornering of Russia on so many fronts (Bulgaria, Romania, Turkey, potentially Ukraine)

Putin's invasion of Ukraine Was undoubtly imperialistic and unlawful/ genocidal towards Ukrainians
but the above highlighted,
but those didn't help.

Interesting.

Putin had the last word on invasion, though his last word should've been working with the Ukraine on the unrest.

 

[jomar]

Hey, what's your take on this?

I just read an Australian blog (they, too are anti-Putin, not the renard-russe type)
which claims that Western Intel interferences in Donbass and Kazachstan, to stir and magnify the already existing unrest
are the straw that broke Putin's back.
on top of Nato cornering of Russia on so many fronts (Bulgaria, Romania, Turkey, potentially Ukraine)

Putin's invasion of Ukraine Was undoubtly imperialistic and unlawful/ genocidal towards Ukrainians
but the above highlighted,
but those didn't help.

I’m assuming magnifying unrest in promotion of Ukraine and Putin feared losing the separatists? I hadn’t heard anything about it but it is interesting and not surprising.

I know as little as anyone here, but have heard/read that Putin doesn’t seem to be himself lately, though that could be pressure/stress of the gamble as much as anything else. I’ve also read the timing has far less to do with Biden, as some here vigorously promote, as it does with Putin sensing his window closing as Ukraine moves further toward democracy, which is intolerable to him. Plus apparently wanting to reunite Soviet Union territories to cement his legacy. Also that maybe he’s ill and it’s now or never...cancer, brain tumor?

No one is interested in invading or attacking Russia. So one of the ironies is that if Putin had just let things be and done business instead of being old school paranoid authoritarian he could have had far more influence and prestige without the bloodshed. But I guess a megalomaniac is gonna megalomaniac.

ETA: What did the blog say the goal of the western intel interference was for?

 

[hobbit.]

Putin has just been blacked by the world Judo federation. not in itself a big thing, but to him its very very personal.

 

[pecksniff]

Putin has just been blacked by the world Judo federation. not in itself a big thing, but to him its very very personal.

I'm surprised they care about politics.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Man this brings back memories of how 9/11 was planned, and the Holocaust was a hoax. You have to love how scared these conspiracy theorist are of the entire world. And their awkward faith in governments. See if 9/11 was hoax put in place by Bush or whoever we are blaming at the moment. If the government could hold up a myth for twenty years then they are pretty much capable of anything. If it was pissed off Afghanis who got pretty lucky then shit can happen, and it can happen to you.

 

[hobbit.]

I'm surprised they care about politics.

its not politics, its state sponsored terrorism dressed up as war.

 

[pecksniff]

its not politics, its state sponsored terrorism dressed up as war.

That is a form of politics.

 

[hobbit.]

That is a form of politics.

so on that basis you validate all terrorism? nice.

 

[ContinentalPsyOp]

Russian Orcs out of Ukraine now, or die in Ukraine! BAYRAKTAR!

 

[pecksniff]

I think it's safe to say by this point that "scripted theater agreed to by both 'west' and Russia" is not an "increasing consensus view on the Ukraine situation."

And it's kind of hard to see where renard or any pro-Russian would be coming from, with that.

 

[hobbit.]

Russian Orcs out of Ukraine now, or die in Ukraine! BAYRAKTAR!

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[Manny39]

There seems to be an increasing consensus among many observers that the entire Ukraine "crisis" has been scripted as part of a deal between the US and NWO and Russia. Why did the US tell everyone "this is going to happen" and then supposedly now it is happening?

Russia logically has no motive to "attack" Ukraine proper (beyond Donbas) at this time. The only rational explanation is that the "western" governments are "in on it" with Putin (maybe not even with involvement of many others in the Russian strategic hierarchy).

Many people suspect World War II and the Cold War were scripted between the "west" and the then Soviet leadership. This would fit a historical pattern.

Coming off the world just moving beyond Covid (itself likely a plandemic) the ruling elites need a new "crisis" to terrorize humanity with and justify their tyrannical control over the masses.

Uhh... yeah, that.

 

[pecksniff]

BAYRAKTAR!

Is that Ukrainian?

 

[LupusDei]

Is that Ukrainian?

It's almost... There's a joint enterprise with Ukrainian contribution that planned to have their production in Ukraine. It was mostly set up and barely missed to launch before the war. (To be honest I don't know was there Ukrainians anywhere close to the original, but I wouldn't be surprised.)

 

[mayfly13]

Man this brings back memories of how 9/11 was planned, and the Holocaust was a hoax.

Can you imagine that there ARE many millenials who believe that?
Especially Palestinian and some Middle Easterners.

Not saying that to accuse or condone them.
History as taught to for centuries is so man-made and with ulterior motives, it's scary.

You have to love how scared these conspiracy theorist are of the entire world. And their awkward faith in governments. See if 9/11 was hoax put in place by Bush or whoever we are blaming at the moment. If the government could hold up a myth for twenty years then they are pretty much capable of anything. If it was pissed off Afghanis who got pretty lucky then shit can happen, and it can happen to you.

I have to confess that I was a proponent of that too lol.
That Bush willfully ignored Intel's warnings, and also the famous vid. of him reading stories at that school.
And that, while the towers WERE hit by terrorist planes, they were also a controlled demolition.
2o years later tho, I'm a tad wiser.

But one thing still lingers in my mind:
Was SAUDI ARABIA involved

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth -- + many families are still hell-bent on chasing the Saudi Arabia line.

 

[LupusDei]

That guy, Osama bin Laden, was a rich dude from Saudia in the first place.

Then, there's people claiming Srebrenica was fake... as fake as Bucha, to be accurate, putting very special cynicism in.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The thing is while I don't think Bush was a great president the reality is that nobody had used planes like that before. That's why they got as far as they did as easily as they did because until then hijackers had always been criminals trying to get someplace with a non-extradicition clause. There was no reason based on past experiences that we should have been worried about 9/11.

Honestly I think its past time we got over it, when I was a little kid you could go up meet the captain, you weren't super limited by what you could and couldn't bring on planes and we know from multiple tests that the TSA is mostly for show. They aren't actually doing a whole lot in the way of preventing anything. Hell my mother brought a knife on board some five or so years back maybe a little longer. She just completely forgot she had a wallet blade.

I don't think a lot of millenials really believe 9/11 was an inside job or that the holocaust was a hoax. Now the Holocaust does slip into an interesting spot where because of the way the Germans were hiding it, and obviously the Jewish people were hiding as best they could. So the numbers may be a little off here or there but the important part is 6 million Jews and another 5 million assorted others.

 

[hobbit.]

latest putin video (not sure its genuine, but hey ho)
putin video

 

[Manny39]

Bot Wars?

 

[pecksniff]

Bot Wars?

It's like Battlebots on a less physical plane.

 

[pecksniff]

But one thing still lingers in my mind:
Was SAUDI ARABIA involved

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth -- + many families are still hell-bent on chasing the Saudi Arabia line.

"9-11 Truth" usually means something much, much less rational than that.

 

[Rightguide]

There seems to be an increasing consensus among many observers that the entire Ukraine "crisis" has been scripted as part of a deal between the US and NWO and Russia. Why did the US tell everyone "this is going to happen" and then supposedly now it is happening?

Russia logically has no motive to "attack" Ukraine proper (beyond Donbas) at this time. The only rational explanation is that the "western" governments are "in on it" with Putin (maybe not even with involvement of many others in the Russian strategic hierarchy).

Many people suspect World War II and the Cold War were scripted between the "west" and the then Soviet leadership. This would fit a historical pattern.

Coming off the world just moving beyond Covid (itself likely a plandemic) the ruling elites need a new "crisis" to terrorize humanity with and justify their tyrannical control over the masses.

1: We have superior intel capability. We were listening to their ground commanders in real-time as we are right now.

2: Biden could be "in it" because the Ukrainians may be blackmailing him because of what he did in Ukraine to save his son from prosecution there. That said, Putin told his people he was going into Ukraine to “denazify” Ukraine. This means he intended to kill off the leadership of Ukraine and install a puppet government that would do his bidding, dose the freedom of the Ukrainian people, and make them subjects of Russian oppression.

3: There is no historical pattern to what is happening now vis a vis Russia and the West.

4: Biden may need a distraction away from the absolute incompetence his administration demonstrates domestically but here he is on the verge of attempting to do so with a demonstration of his absolute incompetence in foreign policy as well.

 

[pecksniff]

2: Biden could be "in it" because the Ukrainians may be blackmailing him because of what he did in Ukraine to save his son from prosecution there.

You really are an idiot, aren't you? Hunter was never in any danger of prosecution in Ukraine.