Increasing consensus view on the Ukraine situation: scripted theater agreed to by both "west" and Russia?

[renard_ruse]

There seems to be an increasing consensus among many observers that the entire Ukraine "crisis" has been scripted as part of a deal between the US and NWO and Russia. Why did the US tell everyone "this is going to happen" and then supposedly now it is happening?

Russia logically has no motive to "attack" Ukraine proper (beyond Donbas) at this time. The only rational explanation is that the "western" governments are "in on it" with Putin (maybe not even with involvement of many others in the Russian strategic hierarchy).

Many people suspect World War II and the Cold War were scripted between the "west" and the then Soviet leadership. This would fit a historical pattern.

Coming off the world just moving beyond Covid (itself likely a plandemic) the ruling elites need a new "crisis" to terrorize humanity with and justify their tyrannical control over the masses.

 

[ll74]

This is the dumbest take I've seen today. Well done.

 

[renard_ruse]

I'm sympathetic to Russia and have generally supported President Putin over the years but I am willing to question everything. How many of you will do the same?

 

[The_Trouvere]

I'm sympathetic to Russia and have generally supported President Putin over the years but I am willing to question everything. How many of you will do the same?

Do you support the Russian invasion?

 

[ll74]

I'm sympathetic to Russia and have generally supported President Putin over the years but I am willing to question everything. How many of you will do the same?

Putin is an autocratic dictator who deserves to be overthrown

 

[pecksniff]

There seems to be an increasing consensus among many observers that the entire Ukraine "crisis" has been scripted as part of a deal between the US and NWO and Russia.

The NWO is not a government, an organization or a cabal. The NWO is simply the post-Cold-War system of international relations.

 

[pecksniff]

Coming off the world just moving beyond Covid (itself likely a plandemic)

 

[PaxNurgle]

I'm sympathetic to Russia and have generally supported President Putin over the years ..

We know.

Believe me. We know.

As I've long suspected (by the content of your posts) you probably are on his payroll. Arent you.

 

[Wrong Element]

The consensus is that you pulled this theory out of your ass.

 

[mayfly13]

Do you support the Russian invasion?

of course he doesn't, it's obvious from his post.

 

[Rightguide]

There seems to be an increasing consensus among many observers that the entire Ukraine "crisis" has been scripted as part of a deal between the US and NWO and Russia. Why did the US tell everyone "this is going to happen" and then supposedly now it is happening?

Russia logically has no motive to "attack" Ukraine proper (beyond Donbas) at this time. The only rational explanation is that the "western" governments are "in on it" with Putin (maybe not even with involvement of many others in the Russian strategic hierarchy).

Many people suspect World War II and the Cold War were scripted between the "west" and the then Soviet leadership. This would fit a historical pattern.

Coming off the world just moving beyond Covid (itself likely a plandemic) the ruling elites need a new "crisis" to terrorize humanity with and justify their tyrannical control over the masses.

We leaked the intelligence to the world so that Putin couldn't put a different construction on it after he invaded. He did this because Biden invited him to do so as long as it was only a "minor incursion." Putin knew Obama/Biden had been weak on his invasion of Georgia and the Crimea, so he put off his invasion of Ukraine until after the framing of Trump, and after you voted the biggest loser in history into the White House to do the same as he's always done for 50 years, be wrong, weak, and full of crap.

 

[mayfly13]

We leaked the intelligence to the world so that Putin couldn't put a different construction on it after he invaded. He did this because Biden invited him to do so as long as it was only a "minor incursion." Putin knew Obama/Biden had been weak on his invasion of Georgia and the Crimea, so he put off his invasion of Ukraine until after the framing of Trump, and after you voted the biggest loser in history into the White House to do the same as he's always done for 50 years, be wrong, weak, and full of crap.

Could you please elaborate on the "We leaked the intelligence to the world so that Putin couldn't put a different construction on it after he invaded?" What exactly are you referring to?

I mean, at first glance RR's post sounds wacky, but it's actually not impossible.
Pays to think of all scenarios why this happened. The invasion is too shocking and unusual not to think of all theories.

 

[pecksniff]

I mean, at first glance RR's post sounds wacky, but it's actually not impossible.

It is impossible that something called the "NWO" could be involved.

 

[NC_Coastal]

Here's a theory: Putin is a maniacal lunatic who is willing to end the world, since it's useless to him once he's gone. He has every intention of re-establishing "imperial Russia" and its long history of dilusional leaders ridiculousy referred to as ... the Great (Ivan, Peter, Catherine and even Vladimir the Great, who was also known as, ironcially, the Grand Prince of Kiev.
He's a madman. His people hate him.

 

[hobbit.]

I'm sympathetic to Russia and have generally supported President Putin over the years but I am willing to question everything. How many of you will do the same?

total fucking dickhead keyboard warrior.

 

[jomar]

We leaked the intelligence to the world so that Putin couldn't put a different construction on it after he invaded.

Say what?

He did this because Biden invited him to do so as long as it was only a "minor incursion."

I agree that was a clumsy (don’t say it out loud) public statement, but it was part of real world war room assessment calculus, not an invitation to invade.

Putin knew Obama/Biden had been weak on his invasion of Georgia and the Crimea, so he put off his invasion of Ukraine until after the framing of Trump, and after you voted the biggest loser in history into the White House to do the same as he's always done for 50 years, be wrong, weak, and full of crap.

Putin didn’t invade during the trump administration because he didn’t want to distract trump from his mission to destroy democracy from within.

 

[QuickWit]

What is wrong with your brain?

 

[Rightguide]

Say what?



I agree that was a clumsy (don’t say it out loud) public statement, but it was part of real world war room assessment calculus, not an invitation to invade.



Putin didn’t invade during the trump administration because he didn’t want to distract trump from his mission to destroy democracy from within.

That is not true. This is why: “If you move against Ukraine while I’m president,” Trump is said to have told the Russian leader, “I will hit Moscow.” Putin reportedly scoffed, “No way,” leading Trump to say, “All those beautiful golden turrets will be blown up.”
https://nypost.com/2022/02/22/trump-talks-threatening-putin-mocking-merkel-at-mar-a-lago/

 

[oggbashan]

Trump versus Putin would have been two megalomaniacs against each other.

The result would have been terrible for the US, Europe and Russia while the Chinese rubbed their hands in glee.

 

[jomar]

That is not true. This is why: “If you move against Ukraine while I’m president,” Trump is said to have told the Russian leader, “I will hit Moscow.” Putin reportedly scoffed, “No way,” leading Trump to say, “All those beautiful golden turrets will be blown up.”
https://nypost.com/2022/02/22/trump-talks-threatening-putin-mocking-merkel-at-mar-a-lago/

That doesn’t sound like something the adoring fanboy would say to Putin. But if he did the situation would be no different than it is now because cooler heads would talk him off the ledge, just as they did when he asked “why can’t we use nukes if we got them.”

Do you seriously think trump saying that would stop Putin? Well, could be I guess if he figured trump was that unstable and impulsive. But nah, Putin has trumps number. Given trumps response to the invasion, if it happened on his watch trump wouldn’t know whether to praise or punish Putin.

 

[ll74]

@renard_ruse - just for you

 

[PaxNurgle]

That doesn’t sound like something the adoring fanboy would say to Putin. But if he did the situation would be no different than it is now because cooler heads would talk him off the ledge, just as they did when he asked “why can’t we use nukes if we got them.”

Do you seriously think trump saying that would stop Putin? Well, could be I guess if he figured trump was that unstable and impulsive. But nah, Putin has trumps number. Given trumps response to the invasion, if it happened on his watch trump wouldn’t know whether to praise or punish Putin.

He would have praised him...calling him "Genius."

Which, as it turns out, is exactly what he did.

So all of these fawning adorers of dictatorship who say "This would never have happened under Trumps watch" are missing the point. The only difference would have been, Biden condemned the invasion and posted sanctions, while Trump would not even have done that much.

 

[Rightguide]

That doesn’t sound like something the adoring fanboy would say to Putin. But if he did the situation would be no different than it is now because cooler heads would talk him off the ledge, just as they did when he asked “why can’t we use nukes if we got them.”

Do you seriously think trump saying that would stop Putin? Well, could be I guess if he figured trump was that unstable and impulsive. But nah, Putin has trumps number. Given trumps response to the invasion, if it happened on his watch trump wouldn’t know whether to praise or punish Putin.

He didn't do anything while Trump was President did he? He did plenty while Obama/Biden were in office however. Remember what Trump told Kim. You didn't see him launching any more missiles until Joe was elected.

 

[ll74]

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/26/ukraine-russia-news-fighting-in-kyiv-zelenskyy-defiant.html
This is what I've been waiting for. cut off SWIFT...NOW!

German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock said on Saturday that Berlin is working rapidly to restrict Russia from the system, known as SWIFT, in a targeted way that would limit collateral economic damage.

 

[jomar]

He didn't do anything while Trump was President did he? He did plenty while Obama/Biden were in office however.

It is true Putin didn’t take overt action during the trump administration. Why would he when trump believed him over his own security agencies. And Putin didn’t want to distract trump from trying to destroy democracy from within.

On the other hand, maybe he missed his best opportunity by not attacking when trump was prez.

Remember what Trump told Kim. You didn't see him launching any more missiles until Joe was elected.

Yes, the big red button thing. But then they fell in love and trump received many letters full of glowing praise from Kim, and trump gave him legitimacy on the world stage and cancelled war games NK felt threatened by.