Will Ukraine situation lead to World War III?

[renard_ruse]

The US is already saying no succession in Southern or Eastern Ukraine.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/23/us-ukraine-crisis-usa-idUSBREA1M0PL20140223

IF, and that's still an IF, a majority of people in these regions wish to pursue some type of autonomy or even independence, and they ask Russia for protection, is the US and EU really going to start a war over this? On the other hand, will Russia puss out again like it did in the Yugoslav War?

This seems far more serious to me than we are being led to believe.

 

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[neci]

elections for may 25th?
peacekeepers. free elections. freedom of the press for all sides. paint your war. take care of the gypsy lost in the land. they are the bread basket. GMO/pesticide in the drinking water vs organic to feed the nations? let them make their cheese and dairy and don't threaten to ban it, based upon your politics.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The US is already saying no succession in Southern or Eastern Ukraine.

There's no secession movement; the article is about the possibility that Russia might carve up the country.

 

[BotanyBoy]

There's no secession movement; the article is about the possibility that Russia might carve up the country.

Just the RW getting hard-on's over the idea of more war/welfare.

 

[Sean Renaud]

If Putin makes a move and he might, Obama will do nothing. Putin has taken his measure.

Gods I hope you're right, but I'm highly skeptical of this. Obama has proven to be every bit the little tyrant that Bush was. I don't give a shit about the Ukraine though, nor about Russia. If they want to join back up it's not my problem. We'll see what happens.

Just the RW getting hard-on's over the idea of more war/welfare.

It sure as fuck seems that way don't it? Though I think it's easy enough to assume nothing major is going to happen. If the Cold War never turned hot and over much more serious things than this I think we can trust Obama and Putin to come to some understanding that prevents WWIII.

Honestly while I doubt WWIII is even possible in the current world (we all have way too much to lose and far too little to gain for that kind of ignorance. Not that circumstances might not change, maybe we hit peak oil, maybe the global warming alarmists are right and we're about to see a massive shift in where food can be grown and water obtained.) if it happens it's cause is unlikely to be some stupid East European country.

 

[patient1]

No.

I agree with Vette on this one.

 

[BotanyBoy]

It sure as fuck seems that way don't it? Though I think it's easy enough to assume nothing major is going to happen. If the Cold War never turned hot and over much more serious things than this I think we can trust Obama and Putin to come to some understanding that prevents WWIII.

Honestly while I doubt WWIII is even possible in the current world (we all have way too much to lose and far too little to gain for that kind of ignorance. Not that circumstances might not change, maybe we hit peak oil, maybe the global warming alarmists are right and we're about to see a massive shift in where food can be grown and water obtained.) if it happens it's cause is unlikely to be some stupid East European country.

Dude the RW is like foaming at the mouth over the idea.....the term "defense contract" probably has vette compulsively humping all sorts of random objects.

Well of course it's some eastern euro shithole.....they don't want to have to fight a real war against a semi challenger when they can just tie all the soldiers hands behind their back and drop them in the meat grinder to run up their yellow ribbon magnet sales.

 

[neci]

is border expansion a goal of the current russian administration?

 

[renard_ruse]

There's no secession movement; the article is about the possibility that Russia might carve up the country.

Lol. Big bad Russia.

Are you living in 1950? Russia means no harm to anyone. The US/EU clearly show that they, however, do. Get out of your cold war relic mentality. Russia is a modern state.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Dude the RW is like foaming at the mouth over the idea.....the term "defense contract" probably has vette compulsively humping all sorts of random objects.

Well of course it's some eastern euro shithole.....they don't want to have to fight a real war against a semi challenger when they can just tie all the soldiers hands behind their back and drop them in the meat grinder to run up their yellow ribbon magnet sales.

It is Russia, you know. It's the same country we were terrified of for 44 years.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Lol. Big bad Russia.

Are you living in 1950? Russia means no harm to anyone. The US/EU clearly show that they, however, do. Get out of your cold war relic mentality. Russia is a modern state.

Nevertheless, that's what the article you linked is about. Homegrown East Ukrainian secessionism is not an issue and does not exist.

 

[JustaSCOUNDREL]

]Dude the RW is like foaming at the mouth over the idea[/B].....the term "defense contract" probably has vette compulsively humping all sorts of random objects.

Well of course it's some eastern euro shithole.....they don't want to have to fight a real war against a semi challenger when they can just tie all the soldiers hands behind their back and drop them in the meat grinder to run up their yellow ribbon magnet sales.

Those who do not know history are doomed to say stupid things.

WW I - President Wilson (D)

WW II - President Roosevelt (D)

Korea - President Truman (D)

Viet Nam - President , take your choice. Kennedy and/or Johnson both with a (D) behind their name.

Billy, the self admitted perjurer, Clinton (D) Was a profligate user of the military to enforce his foreign policy. There were numerous military incursions, air strikes and missile attacks during his 8 years in office. This despite his stated hatred/dislike of the military and its use.

In the interest of fairness Bush I (R) started Gulf War 1 which was mostly over in 100 hours. Bush II (R) did start Gulf War II which is still ongoing in some places.

I am well aware I have not included every single military action from 1914 to present nor which president may have ordered the action, but the idea the Right is always interested in starting wars for what ever reason is simply wrong.

In case you are interested in the ways Billy boy Clinton used the military during his term here is a link .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_policy_of_the_Bill_Clinton_administration

 

[Sean Renaud]

You left out the Afghan War for some reason. Looking at your list +Afghan I would take the Democrats to war far earlier than the Republicans. The Dems fought WWI and WWII both of which are universally agreed to be wars we should have gotten involved with. I'll take the fuck ups of Vietnam and Korea both decades ago over the current group of wars floating about any day of the week.

I find it odd you didn't bother to correct Vette though instead of Bot. Vettes the one who thinks Dems or OBama won't go to war because they are worthless bitches.

 

[renard_ruse]

Nevertheless, that's what the article you linked is about. Homegrown East Ukrainian secessionism is not an issue and does not exist.

Whether it exists openly at the present time or not, it most certainly will emerge if the new government takes a radically pro-Europe stance, and they appear to be going to do that. Also, they will probably make Ukrainian the only language of government again, even in Russian speaking regions, which will piss people off.

Probably depends how radical and Ukrainianist the new government is.

 

[zipman]

No.

I agree with Vette on this one.

Europe has an even more vested interest in this one. I disagree with you and Vette, I don't think Putin would dare send in troops on this one.

 

[eyer]

The Dems fought WWI and WWII both of which are universally agreed to be wars we should have gotten involved with.

Your mom sniffed glue when she was pregnant with you...

...right?

 

[KingOrfeo]

Europe has an even more vested interest in this one. I disagree with you and Vette, I don't think Putin would dare send in troops on this one.

Is Putin afraid of the EU in military terms? Is it possible for the EU to act as a military alliance on its own without the U.S. being involved? Serious question. I think the NATO treaty means we'd have to get involved, since so many EU members are also NATO members.

 

[KingOrfeo]

New elections will be May 25. If the interim "Unity Government" can form as planned and hold things together until then, I think the crisis is over.

 

[KingOrfeo]

It is Russia, you know. It's the same country we were terrified of for 44 years.

Also, remember that no enemy since the Mongols has succeeded in conquering Russia, and several have tried.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Also, remember that no enemy since the Mongols has succeeded in conquering Russia, and several have tried.

That was before Global Warming took away the only weapon that consistently wins wars for Russia. And here you thought that shit was accidental. We play long game here in America.

 

[KingOrfeo]

That was before Global Warming took away the only weapon that consistently wins wars for Russia. And here you thought that shit was accidental. We play long game here in America.

Well, there's not only General Winter. There's also the sheer size of the country. And its resilience. Stalin won the Great Patriotic War by retreating east of the Urals and building a whole new industrial-military plant in Siberia in addition to a whole new army.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Fair enough.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Those who do not know history are doomed to say stupid things.

And history has what to do with the fact that the last 30 years of GOP politics has been one giant police, prison and military industrial dick suck after another??

Currently who has the most financial interest in military conflict?

That's the fuck right Cleatus....now turn your GOP dick suck compulsion down there Limbaugh Jr. and you might learn something.

 

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