Gunplay

[Bramblethorn]

I didn't want to bring this up earlier but there seams to be still cocern about your safty on this theard. so I ruined your orgasam in the hopes that this theard will die and people will realise that guns can be safe. Then again as much as I believe in the second amendment if your boy is playing with a live load than he's too stupied to to own a weapon.

Trying to kill a thread by posting to it? TBH that seems like the craziest idea on this thread.

Gun-play with a live load sure is dangerous. So are things like smoking, drinking, and eating processed meat. Doing those things is only "stupid" when people ignore the risk or take on a risk that outweighs the reward... which means for me, gun-play or smoking would be very stupid indeed.

But the only person here who can gauge how rewarding it is for Pachet is Pachet. Without that knowledge I'm not going to call them stupid as long as they're fulfilling their obligations to bystanders.

 

[Scotsman69]

Fortunately, in every civilised country in the world, gun-play is impossible because only those with VERY GOOD REASON to need them are licensed to own a firearm.

 

[bambikiller]

how do you in ejoy something? Is that Swahili?

OK I missed a letter, you showed me.
And yet you replied because................. why.
This isn't a conversation, this is a stupied little arguement started because you like a dangerouse activity and most of the people here think it's not a smart thing to do.
So you attack them and me.
But I don't care what you you think anymore not that I realy did in the first place because (see link)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX4hN2KAaww

 

[Bramblethorn]

This isn't a conversation, this is a stupied little arguement started because you like a dangerouse activity and most of the people here think it's not a smart thing to do.

From where I stand, gunplay is waaay too dangerous for me.

But to a large chunk of the vanilla world, all BDSM is unhealthy and dangerous, including the relatively "mild" stuff I'm into.* I'd prefer they didn't go around policing what I do in private with consenting adults, so it would be massively hypocritical for me to go around policing anybody else's consensual risk decisions.


*And not just the vanilla world. I encountered one guy who was into bestiality, who thought I was fucked up because I like to tie people up and spank them.

 

[Felonious1]

From where I stand, gunplay is waaay too dangerous for me.

But to a large chunk of the vanilla world, all BDSM is unhealthy and dangerous, including the relatively "mild" stuff I'm into.* I'd prefer they didn't go around policing what I do in private with consenting adults, so it would be massively hypocritical for me to go around policing anybody else's consensual risk decisions.


*And not just the vanilla world. I encountered one guy who was into bestiality, who thought I was fucked up because I like to tie people up and spank them.

I agree. That'll preach........

No one has a right to stare down from the moral high ground they've mindfucked themselves into thinking they hold over others and tell someone else that their non-abusive, mutually consensual acts/actions are wrong or unjust.

Just because someone else's kink isn't your kink, it's doesn't make the objector right nor the people who partake in said activity wrong.

JMO.......

 

[Asshungry]

how many times have you read about someone getting shot while cleaning a gun or by someone who thought it wasnt loaded. When handling a firearm it is considered to be loaded at all times, even when you know it isn't. Firearms are meant for protection, survival, hunting, and sport shooting. And then only by people that are familiar with their weapon. A firearm handle properly is very safe but it is not a toy, it is NEVER a toy.
Why dont you take a rope and hang yourself. You'll get off on that too, right before you die. At least you wont risk hurting someone else.

 

[lovecraft68]

Interesting to see people's limits and other reactions to them.

I am big into knife play which of course can be dangerous, but personally have never thought of using one of my hand guns.

Personally I wouldn't mess around with a loaded gun. A slip of a knife is a scratch or worse case scenario a stitch or two, you only get one screw up with a gun.

But to each their own. The only issue is when it goes awry there we all are looking sick again

 

[zathras52003]

Fortunately, in every civilised country in the world, gun-play is impossible because only those with VERY GOOD REASON to need them are licensed to own a firearm.

If memory serves, Scotland has a history of disarmament followed by subjugation.

Our firearms tradition, along with help from some Continental Powers helped us break away from the same oppressor that brought Scotland to its knees. I also believe that during WWII large numbers of Americans donated firearms to send to Great Britain for use by the home guard. Darn good thing us uncivilized Americans were around.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/650257/posts

 

[knot_sweet]

As a military trained person, I am quite literally incapable of either pointing a weapon at someone for kicks, or having one pointed at me for the same reason. (Please note, for kicks is not the same as aiming with intent. That, I have no problem with)

I can't even walk in front of someone clearing one that hasn't been loaded yet, or someone CFC'ing after cleaning one.

Just...no...

It makes the back of my neck itch.

It surprises the heck out of me that anyone with any kind of military weapon handling training could overcome it to play with a loaded weapon. Especially one that's being pushed into your neck hard enough to make the slide go back.

On another note, how is that even possible? Seriously, really, I'd actually love to hear about a pistol that cocks easier than the Browning 9mm's we use.

For me at least, a loaded weapon is not and could never be a toy.

 

[Netzach]

As a military trained person, I am quite literally incapable of either pointing a weapon at someone for kicks, or having one pointed at me for the same reason. (Please note, for kicks is not the same as aiming with intent. That, I have no problem with)

I can't even walk in front of someone clearing one that hasn't been loaded yet, or someone CFC'ing after cleaning one.

Just...no...

It makes the back of my neck itch.

It surprises the heck out of me that anyone with any kind of military weapon handling training could overcome it to play with a loaded weapon. Especially one that's being pushed into your neck hard enough to make the slide go back.

On another note, how is that even possible? Seriously, really, I'd actually love to hear about a pistol that cocks easier than the Browning 9mm's we use.

For me at least, a loaded weapon is not and could never be a toy.

This is sexy. Intelligence, responsibility, and risk-aversion are also fucking SEXY.

Maybe there are two schools on this. Contrary to the "never really lived till you've handled a live grenade" bad assery, maybe some of us who are attracted to competence, reliability, consistency, and safety, to a top who would never point a gun anywhere but outward at a threat, have our reasons. I kind of resent the idea that I've got to be missing something crucial. You're not missing what you really don't need.

 

[knot_sweet]

This is sexy. Intelligence, responsibility, and risk-aversion are also fucking SEXY.

Maybe there are two schools on this. Contrary to the "never really lived till you've handled a live grenade" bad assery, maybe some of us who are attracted to competence, reliability, consistency, and safety, to a top who would never point a gun anywhere but outward at a threat, have our reasons. I kind of resent the idea that I've got to be missing something crucial. You're not missing what you really don't need.

*shrug*

You're not missing anything.

Really.

Dumbassery is dumbassery, no matter which form it takes.

I'l take my kink with smarts thanks.

I wonder if having the hots for smarts is a kink or a fetish?

 

[zathras52003]

Especially one that's being pushed into your neck hard enough to make the slide go back.

On another note, how is that even possible? Seriously, really, I'd actually love to hear about a pistol that cocks easier than the Browning 9mm's we use.

Interesting point you make. In reality- not that much pressure. If you get a fairly new holster, you can push a pistol slighly out of battery just inserting it (Safariland Duty Holsters are pretty good for this). I have found this with Sig P-22X series, HKs, and Glocks. Sigs and HKs would (in most cases) be disabled by getting pushed out of battery. Essentially, the slide needs to be all the way forward for the firing pin disconnect to turn off/allow the pin to fire/etc. Rumor has it some of the Glock series will fire slightly out of battery (with bad results-catastrophic boom!).


BTW- Never owned a Hi-Power. Coveted, but never owned.

 

[knot_sweet]

Interesting point you make. In reality- not that much pressure. If you get a fairly new holster, you can push a pistol slighly out of battery just inserting it (Safariland Duty Holsters are pretty good for this). I have found this with Sig P-22X series, HKs, and Glocks. Sigs and HKs would (in most cases) be disabled by getting pushed out of battery. Essentially, the slide needs to be all the way forward for the firing pin disconnect to turn off/allow the pin to fire/etc. Rumor has it some of the Glock series will fire slightly out of battery (with bad results-catastrophic boom!).


BTW- Never owned a Hi-Power. Coveted, but never owned.

If this is true (I don't know alot about weapons, just the ones I've been trained on) then it seems stupid in the extreme to play with a loaded one that has such obvious design flaws.

Now I'm actually kinda afraid for the OP.

 

[zathras52003]

If this is true (I don't know alot about weapons, just the ones I've been trained on) then it seems stupid in the extreme to play with a loaded one that has such obvious design flaws.

Now I'm actually kinda afraid for the OP.

She was playing with a Sig 226- probably disabled if pushing that hard. We are trained to avoid contact shots if possible. Essentially you get a single-shot pistol until you tap-rack-clean out all sorts of ick.

Here in the states, there has been a lot of talk about the Glock KB (Kaboom!). Very rare, but catastrophic when it does happen. Round detonates rather than firing. Usually blows the magazine out, cracks the frame, can cause powder burns and minor frag wounds (brass shavings). Seems to be predominantly in the .40 S&W versions. One theory is that the round goes off slightly out of battery and the gasses follow the path of least resistance i.e. through the case wall rather than following the bullet down the barrel.

http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/glock-kb-faq.html

 

[knot_sweet]

She was playing with a Sig 226- probably disabled if pushing that hard. We are trained to avoid contact shots if possible. Essentially you get a single-shot pistol until you tap-rack-clean out all sorts of ick.

Here in the states, there has been a lot of talk about the Glock KB (Kaboom!). Very rare, but catastrophic when it does happen. Round detonates rather than firing. Usually blows the magazine out, cracks the frame, can cause powder burns and minor frag wounds (brass shavings). Seems to be predominantly in the .40 S&W versions. One theory is that the round goes off slightly out of battery and the gasses follow the path of least resistance i.e. through the case wall rather than following the bullet down the barrel.

http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/glock-kb-faq.html

You're not doing anything to up my reassurance about loaded weapon gun play here.

If anything, you're making it worse.

 

[Etoile]

I wonder if having the hots for smarts is a kink or a fetish?

The word "sapiosexuality" has been used for that, I think...

 

[knot_sweet]

The word "sapiosexuality" has been used for that, I think...

Thankyou!

Knew there were plenty of smart hot reasons I hung around here.

 

[zathras52003]

You're not doing anything to up my reassurance about loaded weapon gun play here.

If anything, you're making it worse.

Oh! Was just going for technical discussion- no reassurances here. If you look early in the thread, I was one of the people banging the "really bad idea" drum.

 

[Pachet]

As a military trained person, I am quite literally incapable of either pointing a weapon at someone for kicks, or having one pointed at me for the same reason. (Please note, for kicks is not the same as aiming with intent. That, I have no problem with)

I can't even walk in front of someone clearing one that hasn't been loaded yet, or someone CFC'ing after cleaning one.

Just...no...

It makes the back of my neck itch.

It surprises the heck out of me that anyone with any kind of military weapon handling training could overcome it to play with a loaded weapon. Especially one that's being pushed into your neck hard enough to make the slide go back.

On another note, how is that even possible? Seriously, really, I'd actually love to hear about a pistol that cocks easier than the Browning 9mm's we use.

For me at least, a loaded weapon is not and could never be a toy.

It's not that it cocks easy (it doesn't), it's that he was pushing hard - hard enough to leave muzzle prints like the one I posted on page 3. He's like, twice my size and probably five times as strong, lol. He can push hard enough to push the slide back, trust me.

As for overcoming training and pointing a loaded weapon at someone, he told me more than once that it takes a lot for him to do that. It had been a fantasy of his for a long time, but still, it's so ingrained - don't point at what you don't want to destroy, don't put your finger on the trigger til you're ready to fire, muzzle in a safe direction all the time, that to just straight out violate all of that and level your loaded weapon at a girl, who was no threat to you, was a mindfuck. But that cognitive dissonance is a turn on, too.

Also, of the small amount of people I know who do loaded gunplay (met two more recently), every single one of them is law enforcement or military.

eta: I never think of it as a toy, and neither does he. It's a weapon, that's being incorporated into play. Never a "toy".

 

[Pachet]

This is sexy. Intelligence, responsibility, and risk-aversion are also fucking SEXY.

Maybe there are two schools on this. Contrary to the "never really lived till you've handled a live grenade" bad assery, maybe some of us who are attracted to competence, reliability, consistency, and safety, to a top who would never point a gun anywhere but outward at a threat, have our reasons. I kind of resent the idea that I've got to be missing something crucial. You're not missing what you really don't need.

I find intelligence very sexy. I can't say that I find risk-aversion "sexy", but I certainly don't find it UNsexy. I never claimed to be a badass, that's your word, not mine, and I don't go out looking for live grenades. If I'm in a car on the freeway and the driver goes faster than 70 or so I ask them to slow down. There are quite a few areas of my life where I play it safe, even some where I play it safer than I probably need to. Gunplay is one of a few areas in my life where I choose to take more risk. That doesn't mean that I look for risk everywhere...but to be honest I'd find a life without any risk at all pretty fucking dull. That's me - so sue me.

Also, I don't believe you're missing out on anything crucial - what's crucial for me isn't for you. But I did attempt to explain why it's crucial for me, my view on it. I wasn't trying to make anyone feel inadequate for the amount of risk they take.

 

[Pachet]

She was playing with a Sig 226- probably disabled if pushing that hard. [/url]

It wasn't disabled. I would've said so if it was.

 

[Netzach]

"I'll answer your question though. Why am I 'proud'? I guess because both he and I choose to push limits most people won't... and therefore get to go places most people don't get to go. I don't mean that I'm better than anyone because we take more risks than most do. That'd be as asinine as bragging that you're better than others because you're the most super super safest player out there and never take any risks. It's not about "better". Maybe it's about being part of a really small group of people who do really dangerous things. Like wingwalking or walking a tightrope over the grand canyon. Sure, some people say "that's fucking stupid", but millions tune in to watch in awe, regardless. Actually, walking on a tightrope is a nice metaphor for gunplay. The guy who walked the tightrope across the grand canyon - I'm sure you can imagine the fear he felt during it... but can you imagine the adrenaline... the bliss he felt halfway through, looking around him and seeing nothing but open sky and air and incredible views, feeling the wind all around him, threatening to knock him off the rope? Most people will never feel anything remotely like that in their lives. Oh, they'll tell themselves they did, when they went on that rollercoaster or took those flying lessons or rode that horse down a steep trail. But to be actually on that tightrope where one wrong move could send you tumbling? Most people will never do it."

I'm not going to intimate that the rest of you will never REALLY LIVE except that I'm totally going to intimate it. And then say I didn't.

Anyway, I think dicking around with your lover and gun is like the roller coaster version of having one in your face with a stranger and ambiguous intent.

 

[KoPilot]

I'm not going to intimate that the rest of you will never REALLY LIVE except that I'm totally going to intimate it. And then say I didn't.

Anyway, I think dicking around with your lover and gun is like the roller coaster version of having one in your face with a stranger and ambiguous intent.

I studied one thing for 8+ years, got the first out-of-state degree out of my whole family for it, should have been on food stamps while I was there but didn't think to apply, spent the night in Penn Station because I locked myself out of my apartment, experienced some capital-m Mysteries, cavorted with ghosts, seen UFOs, and now I'm going to be moving to a different country. Oh, and I've got my dream job right now--both of them.

Gun play almost sounds campy to me compared to what I've felt and seen.

Hurr, I'm part of an elite group too.

 

[zathras52003]

It wasn't disabled. I would've said so if it was.

Um. No.

Sig 226 has a safety feature that keeps the firing pin from hitting a primer unless the trigger is pulled and the pistol is in battery. On the exploded diagram below, part 13 is known as the "safety lock." The safety lock is part of the slide. Firing pin doesn't move without the safety lock out of the way. Part 28, the "safety lever" is located in the frame. It moves the safety lock out of the way so the firing pin can move when struck by the hammer. If the slide is out of battery, the safety lever cannot move the safety lock because they no longer can touch. It is a safeguard to ensure cartridges do not go off unless they are in the chamber. Otherwise, expanding gasses would take the path of least resistance and blow brass fragments out the magazine well, etc.

Disassemble the 226 and look at the under side of the slide. You will see a circular area (looks cut out) near the rear of the slide. That is the safety lock.

http://www.americanrifleman.org/Webcontent/gallery/159/2030SiGARMSP226EXView.jpg

By definition, your Sig 226 was disabled by being pushed out of battery.

 

[Pachet]

Um. No.

Sig 226 has a safety feature that keeps the firing pin from hitting a primer unless the trigger is pulled and the pistol is in battery. On the exploded diagram below, part 13 is known as the "safety lock." The safety lock is part of the slide. Firing pin doesn't move without the safety lock out of the way. Part 28, the "safety lever" is located in the frame. It moves the safety lock out of the way so the firing pin can move when struck by the hammer. If the slide is out of battery, the safety lever cannot move the safety lock because they no longer can touch. It is a safeguard to ensure cartridges do not go off unless they are in the chamber. Otherwise, expanding gasses would take the path of least resistance and blow brass fragments out the magazine well, etc.

Disassemble the 226 and look at the under side of the slide. You will see a circular area (looks cut out) near the rear of the slide. That is the safety lock.

http://www.americanrifleman.org/Webcontent/gallery/159/2030SiGARMSP226EXView.jpg

By definition, your Sig 226 was disabled by being pushed out of battery.

I got you. I thought you meant disabled as the firing pin was pulled.