Harry Reid and Barack Obama want a government shutdown.

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Tomatos are technically fruits but feral republicans often eat waffles for breakfast.

And always on the way to paid employment.

 

[phrodeau]

That land should be turned over to the states.

"Let anyone walk around our natural treasures, take home what they like and leave their trash, graffiti and bodily fluids on whatever is left? "

Do they do that now or are people generally more respectful?

We know the Tea Party always cleans up after its rallies, but the government had to pay for the cleanup after the illegals rallied on the mall while everything else was closed down.

A cave entrance... oh.................

Hundreds of thousands of veterans were going to go wild at the memorials leaving them dripping with urine. Do you know how freaking silly that sounds? That is the level and depth that your hate will take you. Have you even considered the cost of closing things like the shoulders of the road leading up to Mount Rushmore? Most certainly less than it would have cost to leave these places open. CLOSE THE GRAND CANYON??? How insane is that idea?

In order to support your pro-Obama, pro-Democrat positions, you, like your leader are more than willing to continue to besmirch the military as you did when they went to Iraq where the troops were comprised of the stupid and the unfortunate who could not get jobs. Now they are simply looters and pillagers with no more moral than an OWS mob. You have no shame any more. All you want is a "W" on your scorecard. Not to be accused of the "W" you keep putting on your economic excuse card.

Veterans are the worst. They're always leaving things behind at the memorials. Piles of stuff have to be cleared away on a regular basis.

Learn your topic for a change.

 

[landslider2000]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg0VQ5LQuEk


Vet leave mementos at, e.g., the Wall, but many private groups would retain a few weeks of that.

Closing such memorials is a disgusting example of partisanship.

 

[RobDownSouth]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg0VQ5LQuEk


Vet leave mementos at, e.g., the Wall, but many private groups would retain a few weeks of that.

Closing such memorials is a disgusting example of partisanship.

Finally, you and I have some common ground. Let's hope the Republicans do the right thing and permit an up-or-down vote on the Clean CR so that we can re-open these memorials.

 

[landslider2000]

Trolls and those capable of rational discourse have no common intellectual, or behavioral, territory.

Piecemeal CRs are the only "clean" approach.

 

[unregistered]

 

[Sean]

Closing such memorials is a disgusting example of partisanship.

More so than cutting 170,000 veterans from the SNAP program?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Trolls and those capable of rational discourse have no common intellectual, or behavioral, territory.

Piecemeal CRs are the only "clean" approach.

Tell us again how regurgitating the same tired conservative talking points 8 to 10 times in the same thread constitutes "rational discourse" on your planet.

It's also worth noting that you run like a scalded dog each time someone brings up the fact that the House won't permit an up-or-down vote on the clean CR. It speaks volumes of your personal integrity, or lack thereof.

 

[Liar]

Trolls and those capable of rational discourse have no common intellectual, or behavioral, territory.

Piecemeal CRs are the only "clean" approach.

Opt-in funding is the same as opt-out defunding by emotional blackmail. It's all politics and as clean as a septic tank.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Peter G. Klein
http://mises.org/daily/6554/There-Is-Life-after-Default

IMF Chief Calls Out Republican "Debt Ceiling Truthers"

As the U.S. nears the final date to raise the debt ceiling, a chorus of Republicans have downplayed the hard deadline and insisted the Treasury can “prioritize” its commitments to debt interest payments and to critical programs. But on Meet the Press with David Gregory, International Monetary Fund managing director Christine Lagarde debunked the claim that “creative accounting” would solve anything.

Lagarde likened the consequences to the financial market crash in 2008, warning that failure to increase the ceiling by October 17 would send the U.S. economy into a tailspin. “That lack of certainty, that lack of trust in the U.S. signature, it would mean massive disruption the world over and we would be tipped again into massive rupture,” she said.

LINK

Naturally, AJ and the dullards over at the Mises institute think this is just gonna be "business as usual"

 

[doctor_insanus]

I'll just leave this here, in case there's still any confusion.

This shutdown was carefully designed and constructed, in the most cynical way, to ensure that there is no compromise.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

I'll just leave this here, in case there's still any confusion.

This shutdown was carefully designed and constructed, in the most cynical way, to ensure that there is no compromise.

The House Rules Committee proposed this rule change. They attached it to a Veterans bill 30 minutes before the vote went up along with a dozen other riders.

Eric Cantor now effectively runs the Congress single handed thanks to that change of rules. Even The Speaker of the House can't call for a vote on any bill coming back from the Senate. He has usurped the rules and has placed himself as the dictator of Congress.

Sinclair Lewis said it best:
When Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.

 

[jeninflorida]

obama, "damn it Jim, we need more welfare"


"but i'm giving it all she's got"



things that no democrat ever said

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Veterans are the worst. They're always leaving things behind at the memorials. Piles of stuff have to be cleared away on a regular basis.

Learn your topic for a change.

He proves it. He proves everything we say about Liberals and their hate of the military, he just cannot help himself.

Looks like they are not going to take their libel laying down...

Good for them.

Real men.

 

[miles]

He proves it. He proves everything we say about Liberals and their hate of the military, he just cannot help himself.

Looks like they are not going to take their libel laying down...

Good for them.

Real men.

They're proud of themselves and wear their hatred like a badge of courage.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

They're proud of themselves and wear their hatred like a badge of courage.

Amen

Good read: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...9129360000422966.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

 

[Saint Peter]

Amen!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

To recap the few facts you need to know, Treasury Secretary Lew says the government will be unable to borrow money after Thursday of this week. A few days ago, Speaker Boehner offered a deal to the president where the House would pass a “clean” government reopening appropriations bill and a debt ceiling increase covering the next six weeks (i.e., ones that didn’t have any provisions cutting Obamacare or anything else resembling a cut in government spending) on the condition that the White House meet and try to negotiate a bigger deal within the six-week period.

That is the kind of “if-then” deal I’ve been warning against since before the Budget Control Act was passed. But Obama rejected even that.

He believes he’s invulnerable: that if he precipitates a default on America’s debts, he’ll be in a position to blame Republicans for it.

Sen. Susan Collins, a liberal Maine senator, offered a six-point package that would have reopened the government on last year’s spending levels, extended the debt ceiling’s limits to cover six months of government spending, and made a few teeny cuts in Obamacare (such as delaying the tax on medical equipment that will be imposed in January). Harry Reid rejected that.

According to uber-liberal Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, Reid’s rejection was based on something not on the table before: the end of the spending cuts imposed by the Budget Control Act of 2011 known as “sequestration.” In plain terms, Reid wants to increase federal spending in each of the next eight years by about $950 billion, the amount that will otherwise be cut from the budget by sequestration.

If you look at it from the other end of the telescope, Reid is insisting that federal spending of $962 billion next year isn’t enough. He’s dead set on increasing federal spending. So is Obama.

The media coverage has been unremittingly negative to Republicans and positive to the Democrats. The media all but refuses to cover President Obama’s contumacious refusal to negotiate anything with the Republicans. They report it only as a footnote to whatever offer he’s most recently rejected. The only coverage is focused on how leaderless, divided, and unpopular the Republicans are. No other thought is permissible, far less debated.

The effectiveness of that “reporting” is reflected in the polls which show the Republicans generally — and people such as Sens. Ted Cruz and Mike Lee — supposedly losing more and more ground as the government shutdown continues.

But what the polls are reporting is much more complicated than that. It’s not only the Republicans who are losing ground. Much more important is the ground and credibility Obama and his administration are losing.

http://spectator.org/archives/2013/10/14/cmon-man/print

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Meanwhile, in the Real World™...

The House GOP has made it impossible for anyone to call for a vote on any bill returned to them from the Senate. A change in House Rules on the eve before the shutdown made it so that rather than any member of the House being able to call for a vote that only the Majority Leader or his designate can do so. They ensured that the shutdown would happen, and that it continues. The rule was suggested by a vote along party lines 9-4 in the House Rules Committee with all Republicans, a fair number of them TeaOP, voting in favor, and all Democrats voting against.

They claimed that they wanted to block a vote on any clean CR returned from the Senate in order to force it to committee. Because they knew that moderate Republicans would vote to reopen government and continue negotiations.

The catch is, the Senate GOP has blocked all nineteen attempts to send the dispute to a bimerical committee 19 times since April.

In other words the GOP, specifically a small group of Teahadists, has hijacked the legislative process and declared Eric Cantor Dictator of the Congress in order to hold the economy hostage.

They OWN every bit of this shutdown, and their quickly sinking approval rating shows it.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Who are the "hostage-takers" now? Convinced by opinion polls that the media will let them get away with it, Democrats are now refusing to pass a "clean" continuing resolution to end the government shutdown, as well as a straightforward debt ceiling increase, in order to undo the sequester cuts that went into effect earlier this year. They are the ones holding a gun to Republicans' heads, threatening default if their demands are not met.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism

Now, I thought Sequestration was the law of the land and the law of the land is a holy thing that cannot be changed or negotiated.

Looks like the Democrats have the hostages now.

As Petey puts it, with guns in their mouth...

 

[mercury14]

Who are the "hostage-takers" now? Convinced by opinion polls that the media will let them get away with it, Democrats are now refusing to pass a "clean" continuing resolution to end the government shutdown, as well as a straightforward debt ceiling increase, in order to undo the sequester cuts that went into effect earlier this year. They are the ones holding a gun to Republicans' heads, threatening default if their demands are not met.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism

Now, I thought Sequestration was the law of the land and the law of the land is a holy thing that cannot be changed or negotiated.

Looks like the Democrats have the hostages now.

As Petey puts it, with guns in their mouth...

Correct! Republicans are losing the standoff so badly now that Democrats are beginning to make demands.


http://www.nowandfutures.com/grins/scooby_ruh_roh.jpg

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Good thing Obama is still really popular and enjoys high polling numbers...

 

[mercury14]

Meanwhile, in the Real World™...

The House GOP has made it impossible for anyone to call for a vote on any bill returned to them from the Senate. A change in House Rules on the eve before the shutdown made it so that rather than any member of the House being able to call for a vote that only the Majority Leader or his designate can do so. They ensured that the shutdown would happen, and that it continues. The rule was suggested by a vote along party lines 9-4 in the House Rules Committee with all Republicans, a fair number of them TeaOP, voting in favor, and all Democrats voting against.

They claimed that they wanted to block a vote on any clean CR returned from the Senate in order to force it to committee. Because they knew that moderate Republicans would vote to reopen government and continue negotiations.

The catch is, the Senate GOP has blocked all nineteen attempts to send the dispute to a bimerical committee 19 times since April.

In other words the GOP, specifically a small group of Teahadists, has hijacked the legislative process and declared Eric Cantor Dictator of the Congress in order to hold the economy hostage.

They OWN every bit of this shutdown, and their quickly sinking approval rating shows it.

Yeah I saw that. House Republicans changed the rules so that Eric Cantor is the only one who can call for a vote. Democracy is on hold.

 

[mercury14]

Good thing Obama is still really popular and enjoys high polling numbers...

44.5% according to the Real Clear Politics aggregate. He's sitting exactly where he was in June.

Meanwhile the GOP's approval rating has been thoroughly destroyed, plunging to 24%. But we keep hearing from the right wing media that Obama's approval rating has plummeted too, the media just won't tell us about it. The lies Republicans tell themselves...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

They're pulling the same tactic they did with the sequester; reach an agreement, then turn around and demand more.

Now they want to end their sequester, the one they tried to use to terrify Republicans, then they disowned it and said it would be the end of times if it went into effect and then they claimed credit for it when it reduced deficits.

What are they telling us now?

The sky is about to fall, so they need to go on another spending spree and begin growing the deficit again.

I say let them.

Eventually the Middle Class will figure out who benefits and who pays...

http://www.france24.com/en/20131014-mainstream-baffled-french-turn-far-right