Harry Reid and Barack Obama want a government shutdown.

[RobDownSouth]

Like I have said and I think you agree, the morph from public servant to public master is quite visible and ongoing.

Be afraid, be vewwy afraid.

(That should come quite naturally to a life-long chickenshit such as yourself)

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Like I have said and I think you agree, the morph from public servant to public master is quite visible and ongoing.

The IRS gives Congress the finger.

Hillary gives the Benghazi investigators the finger.

Barry and Harry give the American people the finger...

 

[Que]

That means Rob read another asinine screed by Paul Krugman.

Krugman is to Nobel Prize in Economics as Bom Bom Bom them all Obama is to Nobel PEACE prize.

Sometimes I wonder if the Nobel Prize committees secretly giggle to themself at the absurdity of their choices.

Based on the scant, ad hominem nature of his positions, I'm assuming he probably wouldn't be able to digest a Krugman article it anyway I assume he's actually reading screeds of people who read Krugman. I mean he's in the New York Times so he must be really really smart. And gosh I'm not sure what all the big words to use mean but they sounded really big and important so obviously he's right.

Ludwig didn't bother to debate john maynard who was tge idiotically wrongheaded krugman of his day because he didn't think that anyone in the future would ever take John Maynard's prime the pump analogy seriously. Hell I don't think the maynard would support the gov't IS the pump and tge qater and the catch basin nonsense of krugman.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Look to me like he responded to derisive name calling with name calling. How is that not an appropriate rebuttal.

What was he supposed to say not huh krauthammers not a stooge and therefore you should reread the article and respond to something in it?

And then you re but his rebuttal with yet more name calling.. nice work- way to "dialogue" which is what modern debate has devolved too let's talk about things but let's not actually raise valid points.

I called Krauthammer a stooge and explained why.

Lacking any response Vette resorted to just calling ME names.

 

[Ishmael]

Yeah. Obama's fault.


The cops are one of a number of pieces of the government that does not just lock the door and go home at night. Now they are being told to work the hours without a paycheck.

Maybe they should consider changing their banking institution, although it's a little late this go-round. I know of several large institutions that are making interest free 'pay day' loans to government workers and active duty military. The institutions know they're going to get the money back, they understand the economic impact, and the good will they'll receive for what they're doing is priceless.

The people that are going to feel this first, and the hardest, are those on welfare of one sort or another, and the kid undergoing cancer treatments at NIH/NCI. But as Harry Reid says, 'Who cares if a kid dies of cancer?' (paraphrased) Kind of an astounding statement from a senior member of a party whose tried and true mantra is, "it's for the children!!!"

Ishmael

 

[RobDownSouth]

Maybe they should consider changing their banking institution, although it's a little late this go-round. I know of several large institutions that are making interest free 'pay day' loans to government workers and active duty military. The institutions know they're going to get the money back, they understand the economic impact, and the good will they'll receive for what they're doing is priceless.

The people that are going to feel this first, and the hardest, are those on welfare of one sort or another, and the kid undergoing cancer treatments at NIH/NCI. But as Harry Reid says, 'Who cares if a kid dies of cancer?' (paraphrased) Kind of an astounding statement from a senior member of a party whose tried and true mantra is, "it's for the children!!!"

Ishmael

Boehner has the power to end this manufactured crisis in 4 hours.

Have a vote on the clean CR.

Straight up-or-down. No tears.

Rationalize that.

 

[Saint Peter]

Yes. They should change banks. How silly of them not to consider doing that.

Maybe they should consider changing their banking institution, although it's a little late this go-round. I know of several large institutions that are making interest free 'pay day' loans to government workers and active duty military. The institutions know they're going to get the money back, they understand the economic impact, and the good will they'll receive for what they're doing is priceless.

The people that are going to feel this first, and the hardest, are those on welfare of one sort or another, and the kid undergoing cancer treatments at NIH/NCI. But as Harry Reid says, 'Who cares if a kid dies of cancer?' (paraphrased) Kind of an astounding statement from a senior member of a party whose tried and true mantra is, "it's for the children!!!"

Ishmael

 

[RobDownSouth]

Yes. They should change banks. How silly of them not to consider doing that.

All of Ishmael's solutions fit on a bumper sticker quite nicely.

"Change Banks!"
"Blame the Democrats"
"Send 'em back to Africa!"
etc

 

[Que]

I called Krauthammer a stooge and explained why.

Lacking any response Vette resorted to just calling ME names.

Look to me like you called kraut hammer a stooge and then went on to state the usual party line without addressing any of the things that crowd hammer said in the article.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

They say if you aren't liberal in your youth you have no heart and if you aren't conservative in maturity you have no brain

On most principles I never leaned even slightly to the left because it made made no sense. Starting from the position of life is inherently unfair, you could decide that the proper function of government is to somehow or another make life more fair for people. But each and every avenue of that that you track down you see that the exercise is futile.

Those that can't rise want no matter how much you boost them up and those that will rise can't be held down.

Obamacare is a prime example. Sure it's going to give insurance cards to a lot of people won't increase the number of doctors or the cost of the healthcare system as a whole. I'm thinking of going self employed in if I do so it most likely will be cost effective for me to simply pay the 2000 dollar penalty call that my insurance and then women if I ever have some condition needing insurance I will just go home I get my no pre-existing condition insurance and have them cover me for a million dollars... I'm not the only one that's going to do that.

What Obamacare does is it subsidizes those who for whatever reason don't do the things that one needs to do to get insurance I eat find an employer with insurance earn enough money to buy insurance or go on Medicaid.. like anything else you subsidized you get more of it so instead of getting more people participating in the insurance pool you are going to get less.

This is just the basic logic and its going to escape all of those who disagree with me

I matriculated in the 60s in a wacko liberal maternal family bombarded by the messages from Hollywood (pop culture) which I eagerly lapped up as I rebelled against the Quakers who raised me on the paternal generational farm.

What we are up against are the economic realities of feel-good pop economics where something that sounds too good to be true is true and the only true metric is intention. Good intention never fails and as pointed out, failure indicates nothing more than lack of proper effort, regulation and "investment."

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Maybe they should consider changing their banking institution, although it's a little late this go-round. I know of several large institutions that are making interest free 'pay day' loans to government workers and active duty military. The institutions know they're going to get the money back, they understand the economic impact, and the good will they'll receive for what they're doing is priceless.

The people that are going to feel this first, and the hardest, are those on welfare of one sort or another, and the kid undergoing cancer treatments at NIH/NCI. But as Harry Reid says, 'Who cares if a kid dies of cancer?' (paraphrased) Kind of an astounding statement from a senior member of a party whose tried and true mantra is, "it's for the children!!!"

Ishmael

At this point, what does it really matter?

 

[Que]

Krauthammer is a stooge.

The GOP's piecemeal attempts at cherry-picking and funding parts of the government they like is akin to releasing one hostage at a time in their attempt to do what they have failed to do over 40 times already, repeal or deny funding to the Affordable Care Act.

Why should economic terrorists be negotiated with? Put down the gun, release the hostages, and negotiate in good faith.

I actually addressed your claim of cherrypicking above... don't see how what you have to say is it anyway erybody anything that krouthammer said.

I noticed the Thomas Sowell argument does an even better job of rebutting your rebuttal...

why is it that republicans using leverage unacceptable dirty pool, and obamas all or nothing (as per everytime he wants more money) righteous?

I'm sure that was your intention to rebut krauthammer, but it doesn't really address anything in the article. Maybe make a new run at it...perhaps youll agree with krauthammer or be able to make a cogent point in reading it to respond.

Ps You would make a bad hostage negotiator. You have to think like in your example the hostage takers. If they put down the gun and release the hostages what is there leverage for the so-called negotiations. Since Obama is not willing to negotiate on even say the fabric in the Park Police's uniforms or the Use of alternative fuels at 20 dollars a gallon of fuel aircraft carriers... While he has as you say a gun to his head why would anyone negotiate after he got everything he wanted?.... Just because he's a really nice guy and has a great ability to see the other sides point of view? The reason why he doesn't have any kind of meaningful discussions with anyone from the other side is because a he doesn't actually understand the issues and would be decimated in any sort of debate, NB he is absolutely no intention of doing anything but what he wants to do. Why should he he's been told his whole life that he's the smartest crayon in the box and everything he wants to do is just the right thing to do.

The whole they are hostage-takers frame is just silly and counterproductive.

 

[Ishmael]

Yes. They should change banks. How silly of them not to consider doing that.

Too late now. Only those with pre-shutdown accounts are eligible.

Ishmael

 

[Saint Peter]

It is the thought that counts.

Too late now. Only those with pre-shutdown accounts are eligible.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I actually addressed your claim of cherrypicking above... don't see how what you have to say is it anyway erybody anything that krouthammer said.

I noticed the Thomas Sowell argument doesn't even better job everybody in your I guess re bottle of oh I'm sure that was your intention it doesn't really address anything in the article.

On U_D calling Republicans Terrorists and hostage takers, from an earlier thread...

~snip~

In the past several weeks I have watched with delight as poster after poster told me the Tea Party was dead and without any influence, just a joke, but suddenly, this week, the joke is on the Republican Party because now 16 people have hijacked the whole party and put a gun to its head...

And the great uniter, ala Blazing Saddles, has now pulled the Tea Party gun and put it to his own head daring us to defy him lest he pull the trigger.

Barry: [low voice] Hold it! Next man makes a move, the nigger gets it!
Harry: Hold it, men. He's not bluffing.
Nancy: Listen to him, men. He's just crazy enough to do it!

 

[kbate]

They say if you aren't liberal in your youth you have no heart and if you aren't conservative in maturity you have no brain

On most principles I never leaned even slightly to the left because it made made no sense. Starting from the position of life is inherently unfair, you could decide that the proper function of government is to somehow or another make life more fair for people. But each and every avenue of that that you track down you see that the exercise is futile.

Those that can't rise want no matter how much you boost them up and those that will rise can't be held down.

Obamacare is a prime example. Sure it's going to give insurance cards to a lot of people won't increase the number of doctors or the cost of the healthcare system as a whole. I'm thinking of going self employed in if I do so it most likely will be cost effective for me to simply pay the 2000 dollar penalty call that my insurance and then women if I ever have some condition needing insurance I will just go home I get my no pre-existing condition insurance and have them cover me for a million dollars... I'm not the only one that's going to do that.

What Obamacare does is it subsidizes those who for whatever reason don't do the things that one needs to do to get insurance I eat find an employer with insurance earn enough money to buy insurance or go on Medicaid.. like anything else you subsidized you get more of it so instead of getting more people participating in the insurance pool you are going to get less.

This is just the basic logic and its going to escape all of those who disagree with me

You're wrong.

WE will see more people purchase health insurance, when free money is available, and a person is divorced from personal financial responsibility - they tend to use more of a product. If dope was free - everyone would live stoned.

The next crash is going to be when people begin using their coverage and the deductibles and co-pays and self pay portions are more than they can afford.

That will begin the drive for single payer nationalized care.

 

[unregistered]

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

You're wrong.

WE will see more people purchase health insurance, when free money is available, and a person is divorced from personal financial responsibility - they tend to use more of a product. If dope was free - everyone would live stoned.

The next crash is going to be when people begin using their coverage and the deductibles and co-pays and self pay portions are more than they can afford.

That will begin the drive for single payer nationalized care.

The people that we are doing this for will not participate.

They will just continue to show up at the emergency room.*

Barack Canute Obama cannot command that tide to roll in responsibly...

... he is soon to learn that you cannot even bribe them into a state of responsibility.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

...and the MSM gives them all a standing ovation.

They do not think much of the people either.

Hoffer was so brilliant in his little book, "The Ordeal of Change," in describing these people who know better than we...

 

[Que]

On U_D calling Republicans Terrorists and hostage takers, from an earlier thread...

~snip~

In the past several weeks I have watched with delight as poster after poster told me the Tea Party was dead and without any influence, just a joke, but suddenly, this week, the joke is on the Republican Party because now 16 people have hijacked the whole party and put a gun to its head...

And the great uniter, ala Blazing Saddles, has now pulled the Tea Party gun and put it to his own head daring us to defy him lest he pull the trigger.

Barry: [low voice] Hold it! Next man makes a move, the nigger gets it!
Harry: Hold it, men. He's not bluffing.
Nancy: Listen to him, men. He's just crazy enough to do it!

Yeah I saw that on an earlier thread I meant to comment that actually did make me laugh.

I'm going to steal that when I think, for some of my marginally persuadable Facebook friends.

 

[kbate]

The people that we are doing this for will not participate.

They will just continue to show up at the emergency room.*

Barack Canute Obama cannot command that tide to roll in responsibly...

... he is soon to learn that you cannot even bribe them into a state of responsibility.

Sure they will, but when the crunch comes, they won't have read the small print and the self-pay portion (20-40%) will end up written off on the doctor's or hospital's charity fund just as it does now for the indigent.

 

[unregistered]

 

[Que]

You're wrong.

WE will see more people purchase health insurance, when free money is available, and a person is divorced from personal financial responsibility - they tend to use more of a product. If dope was free - everyone would live stoned.

The next crash is going to be when people begin using their coverage and the deductibles and co-pays and self pay portions are more than they can afford.

That will begin the drive for single payer nationalized care.

If it were simple and free I would have to say your analisys is economically sound.

But the reality is look how they have to have to advertise to encourage people to get food stamps.

Most people that get the Earned Income Credit which amounts to just simply a government welfare hand out to them I(Ive gotten myself from time to time) I think that it's just a tax refund they don't know how it works or why they get it

The only reason they get it is because the tax preparers who are paid to prepare the taxes do it for them and they go through the trouble of seeing a tax preparer so that they'll get it.

In this case they're not getting something that directly tangible they're not getting that down payment on the new truck... going through a whole bunch of expensive paperwork that they aren't going to understand only help them to then buy expensive insurance part of which would be rebated back they're not going to jump through the hoops.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The people that we are doing this for will not participate.

Not to go all Godwin on folks or anything, but there's an interesting historical parrallel here with regards to the Chief's delusion.

Back in WWII, Hitler had absolute faith in his wehrmacht. When the wehrmacht was destroyed, he looked around and decided the Hitler Youth would save him...yeah, that was the ticket!

Flash forward to current day, the spiritual descendants of Adolf Hitler, the Tea Party, had absolute faith that the Supreme Court would overturn Obamacare. After the Supremes failed them, they looked around and decided the uninsured would save the Tea Party, they'd forego insurance (Insurance that the tea party folks had, of course) in order to make a point....yeah, that's the ticket!!

 

[JohnnySavage]

If the parties were reversed and 80 Democrats in the house were refusing to fund the government unless an increase was made to Medicare funding, I suspect our resident wackos would be screaming bloody murder.