Harry Reid and Barack Obama want a government shutdown.

[RobDownSouth]

THANK YOU!

I've been saying that for months. Good to see another rational person in the General Board

Don't encourage him. He's a stalker.

 

[bra_man69]

Don't encourage him. He's a stalker.

holy shit!!! I agree with fatty not only a stalker but he's bat shit crazy.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Did Harry Reid and Barack Obama want a government shutdown? Only in the minds of conservatives who are desperately looking for a way to shift the blame.

Will Harry Reid and Barack Obama enjoy the self-immolation of the GOP as they pursue their suicidal quest to kill the ACA? Oh, yes.

They could have avoided it with one simple expedient.

Follow the law and pass a budget. The problem with a budget is that it would involve negotiations and compromise because The People kicked the Democrats out of the House. Harry, Barry and Nancy got used to the heady halcyon days of total control, no compromise, don't tell us how to hold the mop and don't tell us how to get out of the ditch, you're not even in the car, okay, you won an election, you can get into the backseat, but don't tell us how to drive. This latest instance is just further proof of the inflexibility of the hard-left cabal that controls the Democrat Party and their complete denial of a certain reality, that the Republicans have maintained control of the People's Chamber for two successive elections.

No, they wanted a shutdown. This is about the next election, absolute power and nothing else.

Where are the centrist Democrats who would ignore their radicals, cross the aisle and make a deal with the non-Tea Party Republicans? Is it fear of retaliation that keeps them in check? Remember the director of the Hillary documentary did not drop out because of the Tea Party, he dropped out because no one near Hillary would have a thing to do with him out of fear of losing access...

This is exactly the state of affairs, called purging, that Rand describes and outlined in "We, the Living."

I also find it humorous that just two short weeks ago I was being admonished that the Tea Party was dead and destroyed (just like al Qaeda) only to find that it has suddenly arisen from its ashes like the mythical Phoenix. I think that this is further proof how far some of you have gone to insulate yourselves from not just both sides of every story, but even reality itself.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Do not forget that we have Libertarians too...

Indeed, the shutdown is happening because the federal government doesn't have a budget for fiscal 2014, which starts today. The reason it doesn't have a budget is because the Republican-led House passed a budget calling for $3.5 trillion in spending, the Democratically controlled Senate passed a budget calling for $3.7 trillion in spending, and President Obama issued a proposal calling for $3.77 trillion in spending. This happened back in the spring. The House and the Senate passed their budget plans in late March. The president's proposal, the last to be issued, came out on April 10.

After that, the House and the Senate are supposed to hash out differences (always with plenty of presidential input and noodging) and then come up with a document for the president to sign. That didn't happen for all sorts of reason. Frustrated by the pathetic showing of Mitt Romney in the 2012 elections and the Supreme Court ruling upholding Obamacare, House Republicans were in no mood to do their most basic function. The Senate hadn't passed a budget in four years, so maybe they were so impressed with themselves that they had no interest in finishing the job, which meant seeing it through to completion. Both the House and the Senate budgets passed basically on straight party line votes, with a couple of interesting twists (for instance, libertarian-leaning GOP members of Congress such as Reps. Amash and Massie voted against their party's budget because it spent too much for their tastes; in the Senate, four Democrats and all Republicans voted against that chamber's plan). President Obama was two months late with his document and it was widely dissed by liberals and conservatives alike for a wide-ranging variety of reasons.

And then...nothing happened. There is no question that Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) are sad sacks who command little respect and less loyalty. Like the Jim Wrights and Tom Daschles of congressional history, they will be even more forgotten in the future than they are today.

But Barack Obama...he's a different beast, isn't he? He's fond of insisting that because Obamacare passed along strict party lines back in 2010, when the Democrats had majorities in the House and the Senate, that it's a done deal. Will of the people, that sort of thing. Even the Supreme Court upheld it. Suck it, Republicans. I won - get over it. His pique is understandable, even as I wish Obamacare had never been passed, much less upheld.

But Obamacare also helped spark a Republican resurgence in the 2010 midterms and the Democrats lost the House. They didn't lose in spite of your programs, Mr. President. They lost because of your first two years in office, when you signed on to Bush's TARP plan, expanded unpopular military actions, pushed a stimulus that failed by your own predicted measures of success, and forced through a health-care plan that people still don't like.

Then you compounded legislative issues by failing to kick the asses of sorry little functionaries like John Boehner and Harry Reid to pass budgets on a regular basis. At this point, you're one for five, batting .200 on budgets. If you had forced the budget process, most Americans would never have learned of the debt limit, whose increase you used to rail against so eloquently. It's hard, after all, for Congress not to pass increases to pay for spending it budgeted through the normal budget process.

Like a head-in-the-clouds grad-school layabout, you yourself were late on just about everything too, such as Obamacare deadlines and this year's budget plan. Think about it: You became unpopular enough that Americans were willing to vote back into partial power the same team that gave us the goddamn Bush years.

You lost total control of the federal government and thus the ability to not have to offer anything. Get over it. Figure out how to fix the impasse and spend way more money than the American people think the government should be spending.

After all, it's your name on the era.

Nick Gillespie
http://reason.com/archives/2013/10/01/let-us-be-clear-obama-deserves-chief-res

 

[cjh]

Republicans in Congress have hit a new low in the minds of Americans and now face a steep deficit when matched up against congressional Democrats, according to a new poll.

The Quinnipiac University survey shows that Americans disapprove of the job Republicans in Congress are doing by 74 percent to 17 percent. The 17 percent who approve of how Republicans are doing their job is the lowest number on record for Quinnipiac, which has been polling since 2001.

Also bad news for the GOP is how far they've fallen behind in the so-called generic congressional ballot -- a choice between a generic Democrat and a generic Republican.

When given that choice, voters now favor the Democrat by a nine-point margin, 43 percent to 34 percent. That is also a new low for the GOP in Quinnipiac's polling.

But Democrats aren't in great shape, either, the survey finds. Voters disapprove of the job they're doing in Congress by 60 percent to 32 percent.

The poll shows most Americans blame both parties equally for the gridlock in Washington (58 percent), but among those who choose a side to blame, 28 percent blame the GOP and 10 percent blame Democrats.

The poll was conducted through Saturday, so it doesn't include the actual government shutdown or the negotiations that took place in the final hours.

http://washingtonpost.com/blogs/pos.../01/poll-republicans-in-congress-hit-new-low/

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

They could have avoided it with one simple expedient.

Follow the law and pass a budget. The problem with a budget is that it would involve negotiations and compromise because The People kicked the Democrats out of the House. Harry, Barry and Nancy got used to the heady halcyon days of total control, no compromise, don't tell us how to hold the mop and don't tell us how to get out of the ditch, you're not even in the car, okay, you won an election, you can get into the backseat, but don't tell us how to drive. This latest instance is just further proof of the inflexibility of the hard-left cabal that controls the Democrat Party and their complete denial of a certain reality, that the Republicans have maintained control of the People's Chamber for two successive elections.

No, they wanted a shutdown. This is about the next election, absolute power and nothing else.

Where are the centrist Democrats who would ignore their radicals, cross the aisle and make a deal with the non-Tea Party Republicans? Is it fear of retaliation that keeps them in check? Remember the director of the Hillary documentary did not drop out because of the Tea Party, he dropped out because no one near Hillary would have a thing to do with him out of fear of losing access...

This is exactly the state of affairs, called purging, that Rand describes and outlined in "We, the Living."

I also find it humorous that just two short weeks ago I was being admonished that the Tea Party was dead and destroyed (just like al Qaeda) only to find that it has suddenly arisen from its ashes like the mythical Phoenix. I think that this is further proof how far some of you have gone to insulate yourselves from not just both sides of every story, but even reality itself.

Obama has what he wants. The Teaparty has nothing to negotiate with.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Obama has what he wants. The Teaparty has nothing to negotiate with.

That is correct.

He has what he wants.

He has a government shutdown on his hands.

He also has a revived Tea Party to deal with in the next election.

He also has lost his ability to use the IRS to deny them access to the process...

But let us back up a bit and answer the important question:

Where are the centrist Democrats who would ignore their radicals, cross the aisle and make a deal with the non-Tea Party Republicans? Is it fear of retaliation that keeps them in check? Remember the director of the Hillary documentary did not drop out because of the Tea Party, he dropped out because no one near Hillary would have a thing to do with him out of fear of losing access...

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

That is correct.

He has what he wants.

He has a government shutdown on his hands.

He also has a revived Tea Party to deal with in the next election.

He also has lost his ability to use the IRS to deny them access to the process...

But let us back up a bit and answer the important question:

Obama has what he wants in his health care plan in place. The Tea Party has wanted the government shut down for years.

What's there to negotiate on, both sides have exactly what they want.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Obama has what he wants in his health care plan in place. The Tea Party has wanted the government shut down for years.

What's there to negotiate on, both sides have exactly what they want.

Because it is the Middle Class caught in the crossfire that has to bear the cost of this program.

It is a lie to say that the Tea Party has wanted to shut down the government for years. On this point I demand proof.

Furthermore, for a lesson in shutdowns, one has to go to the master, Tip O'Neal...

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/360135/when-tip-did-it-andrew-stiles

Obama does have his plan in place, but a good leader would not be intransigent and realize how myopic it is to give all of his political cronies and Congress a waiver while telling the poor, oh, you're gonna get your free money while at once telling the shrinking, heading to part-time worker status Middle Class, see this finger? This finger is for you. I am going to punish you because it is from your ranks that the Tea Party springs from and defies ever-larger government and Socialism.

I agree with the Libertarians.

Give him his legislation and then hand the Democrats with it for years to come...

Let it be a firm reminder to the Middle-Class, this is what happens when you are finally broken down after 10 years of Bush bashing and surrender and vote Democrat, and for hope and change...

Is there a reason that you will not answer this question?

Where are the centrist Democrats who would ignore their radicals, cross the aisle and make a deal with the non-Tea Party Republicans? Is it fear of retaliation that keeps them in check? Remember the director of the Hillary documentary did not drop out because of the Tea Party, he dropped out because no one near Hillary would have a thing to do with him out of fear of losing access...

 

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[4est_4est_Gump]

It’s worth considering the risks and rewards in the budget standoff, which is first and foremost a battle for control of the Republican Party and the shape of the 2014 and 2016 primaries. The Republican Party of John McCain and Mitt Romney lost two presidential elections, the second to a weak candidate in a weak economy. Left to its own devices, it will lose the next presidential election and all the following ones. By picking a fight on Obama’s least popular position, namely health care, the conservative wing of the party galvanized the party base and forced the House leadership into a fight. In a June 27 poll, the Gallup organization found that just 22% of Americans expected Obamacare to improve their family’s health situation, while 47% expected it to make it worse. As my old partner Jude Wanniski used to say, the electorate is like a diamond, waiting to be cut at exactly the right spot. Ted Cruz pointed the chisel correctly.

Opposing a bad program, to be sure, is not the same as building a national majority around a good program. The Republican Party is a long way from that. Just as the conservative wing of the party needed its chance after the Nixon and Ford debacles of the 1970s, the conservative wing of the party needs to take its shot after the abysmal performance of the McCain wing — or there will be no party at all.

It well may be true that shutting down the government hurts the Republicans in the short run. That is immaterial; there is no way to get from here to there except by making a stand against Obamacare. There is no downside, for the Republican Party as presently configured already is a guaranteed loser. A reinvigorated conservative leadership has a chance of leading the party to victory.

Spengler
http://pjmedia.com/spengler/2013/10...s-the-best-republican-choice/?singlepage=true

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

With all the reported glitches, problems and uncertainties...


What in the hell problem would it have been to give EVERYONE a waiver for a year to get it right?

It would still be a law, or are the Democrats actually terrified of the will of the people?

Is this more about 2014 than doing the right thing?

 

[zipman]

They could have avoided it with one simple expedient.

Follow the law and pass a budget. The problem with a budget is that it would involve negotiations and compromise because The People kicked the Democrats out of the House. Harry, Barry and Nancy got used to the heady halcyon days of total control, no compromise, don't tell us how to hold the mop and don't tell us how to get out of the ditch, you're not even in the car, okay, you won an election, you can get into the backseat, but don't tell us how to drive. This latest instance is just further proof of the inflexibility of the hard-left cabal that controls the Democrat Party and their complete denial of a certain reality, that the Republicans have maintained control of the People's Chamber for two successive elections.

No, they wanted a shutdown. This is about the next election, absolute power and nothing else.

Where are the centrist Democrats who would ignore their radicals, cross the aisle and make a deal with the non-Tea Party Republicans? Is it fear of retaliation that keeps them in check? Remember the director of the Hillary documentary did not drop out because of the Tea Party, he dropped out because no one near Hillary would have a thing to do with him out of fear of losing access...

This is exactly the state of affairs, called purging, that Rand describes and outlined in "We, the Living."

I also find it humorous that just two short weeks ago I was being admonished that the Tea Party was dead and destroyed (just like al Qaeda) only to find that it has suddenly arisen from its ashes like the mythical Phoenix. I think that this is further proof how far some of you have gone to insulate yourselves from not just both sides of every story, but even reality itself.

It's hard to write comedy first thing in the morning.

Great job.

 

[unregistered]

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Because now that the 100 year old Socialist dream has become law, fucked up as it is, they don't want to do anything, or admit anything, that would marginalize their efforts to shove this all down our throat.

Don't ask what can your government do for you, ask what will it do to you...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius controls a $54 million slush fund to hire thousands of "navigators," "in-person assisters" and counselors, who are now propagandizing and recruiting Obamacare recipients into the government-run exchanges. As I warned in May, the Nanny State navigator corps is a serious threat to Americans' privacy. Background checks and training requirements are minimal to nonexistent. A history of fraud is no barrier to entry.

Case in point: the seedy nonprofit Seedco. This community-organizing group snagged lucrative multimillion-dollar navigator contracts in Georgia, Maryland, Tennessee and New York. The New York Post reports this week that the outfit "is partnering with dozens of agencies, such as the Gay Men's Health Crisis, Food Bank for New York City and the Chinese American Planning Council, in each of (the Big Apple's) five boroughs." They'll have access to potential enrollees' income levels, birthdates, addresses, eligibility for government assistance, Social Security numbers and intensely personal medical information.

Given the enormous responsibility to handle sensitive data in a careful, neutral manner, combined with the overwhelming pressure to boost Obamacare enrollments, you'd think the feds would only choose navigators with the most impeccable records. Yet, less than a year ago, Seedco agreed to settle a civil fraud lawsuit "for faking at least 1,400 of 6,500 job placements under a $22.2 million federally funded contract with the city."

Seedco's corrupt behavior went far beyond defrauding taxpayers through abuse of New York City programs, federal Labor Department funding and federal stimulus dollars. Seedco (which stands for "Structured Employment Economic Development Corporation") tried to destroy and defame whistleblowing official Bill Harper, who discovered and reported the rampant falsification of data.

Michelle Malkin
http://townhall.com/columnists/mich...o-obamacares-fraudstained-navigators-n1714618

Can you say Lois Lerner?

 

[unregistered]

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

"The government is shut down for only one reason. Barack Obama and the Democrats wanted a shutdown. That is because Obama and the Democrats are so certain that the public will blame the Republicans. And they are certain of that because your dopey neighbors keep telling pollsters that the Republicans are at fault.

"Listen, if your friends, neighbors, and relatives are upset about the shutdown, and they want it to end, they have the power to stop it immediately! All they have to do is tell pollsters that the shutdown is the fault of President Obama and the Democrats. If they will just do that, the shutdown will be over faster than you can say Your Mama."

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Newsflash:

John and Mary Q. Public are holding the Republicans responsible for this issue. Not the Democrats, Not the President.

For some reason the GOP thinks that they can do what they've been doing for years, trying to repeal the ACA by holding the economy hostage.

Just like when they were dragging their feet on every piece of legislation (even those of which they approved) in order to try to paint the Democratic Congress as "do nothing", the public isn't as overwhelmingly stupid as they would like to believe. Our resident band of "conservatives" excepted of course.

 

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[SgtSpiderMan]

Because it is the Middle Class caught in the crossfire that has to bear the cost of this program.

It is a lie to say that the Tea Party has wanted to shut down the government for years. On this point I demand proof.

Furthermore, for a lesson in shutdowns, one has to go to the master, Tip O'Neal...

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/360135/when-tip-did-it-andrew-stiles

Obama does have his plan in place, but a good leader would not be intransigent and realize how myopic it is to give all of his political cronies and Congress a waiver while telling the poor, oh, you're gonna get your free money while at once telling the shrinking, heading to part-time worker status Middle Class, see this finger? This finger is for you. I am going to punish you because it is from your ranks that the Tea Party springs from and defies ever-larger government and Socialism.

I agree with the Libertarians.

Give him his legislation and then hand the Democrats with it for years to come...

Let it be a firm reminder to the Middle-Class, this is what happens when you are finally broken down after 10 years of Bush bashing and surrender and vote Democrat, and for hope and change...

Is there a reason that you will not answer this question?

I'm looking at the Teaparty page for Florida and the first leg of their platform says they want a smaller federal government.

I'm still waiting for you to answer either one of my questions. I'm looking forward to answering yours.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

That's today, the product of the MSM 24/7 bullshit, but the truth will roll through the country before long and it will change.

Wrong, as usual.
The simple fact is that the public is well aware that the GOP is holding the economy hostage trying to repeal and/or defund the ACA. They are doing so because they don't have the votes to do it any other way.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The Teahadist Three (AJ, Vetty and Miles) have had a very rough week.

They came on to the General Board, thinking they'd shit-n-run a number of "Blame Obama/Blame Democrats" threads, declare victory and collect their RNC checks.

Hasn't quite worked out for them.

Seems they've walked into a buzzsaw of pushback. Not too many folks buying the snakeoil they're peddling this time around.

(You always know when they concede, that's when you see Vetty make posts containing the words "truth" "liberty" "freedom" and/or "tyranny"...those are his 'safe words')

 

[unregistered]

 

[RobDownSouth]

Total bullshit, as usual. Americans are smart enough to understand the Democrat Party stance that we can't afford to cut one thin dime out of the government, we need a clean CR for business as usual.

"I want a fourth strike, ump! Three strikes isn't FAIR!"