Another Site Grabbing Stories

[sr71plt]

Sorry, Bucky, Ducky, I'll take back the suggestion that you are Doopey.

Researching Doopey was interesting.

Joined two years ago but the only previous posts to the one on this thread were on 31 August 2013, on, it seems, fetish topics. And yet, like patientlee, Doopey zeros in on my "military" past based on sr71 references, which isn't a military past, apparently having followed my posts for two years without saying anything concerning me until today--and that was to parrot patientlee on some mistaken understanding of my RL past.

Doopey's favorite authors? One of two is patientlee.

Doopey's favorite stories? ten of eleven are by patientlee.

Hmmmmmm.

Wonder where this alt will turn up next, doing what, for who. What we probably can be assured of is that the alt lends an extra vote to a certain someone's stories.

 

[patientlee]

Not an alt. More like a stalker. Get over yourself. I was using you to have the fight I wanted to have with my pompous ass boss. I took a Xanax. I don't need to fight anymore. Don't confuse my lack of attention to you for letting you push me around.

Don't bother with a response. I'm not coming back.

Sorry, Bucky, Ducky, I'll take back the suggestion that you are Doopey.

Researching Doopey was interesting.

Joined two years ago but the only previous posts to the one on this thread were on 31 August 2013, on, it seems, fetish topics. And yet, like patientlee, Doopey zeros in on my "military" past based on sr71 references, which isn't a military past, apparently having followed my posts for two years without saying anything concerning me until today--and that was to parrot patientlee on some mistaken understanding of my RL past.

Doopey's favorite authors? One of two is patientlee.

Doopey's favorite stories? ten of eleven are by patientlee.

Hmmmmmm.

Wonder where this alt will turn up next, doing what, for who. What we probably can be assured of is that the alt lends an extra vote to a certain someone's stories.

 

[patientlee]

And an extra vote would bring my total to 36.

Sorry, Bucky, Ducky, I'll take back the suggestion that you are Doopey.

Researching Doopey was interesting.

Joined two years ago but the only previous posts to the one on this thread were on 31 August 2013, on, it seems, fetish topics. And yet, like patientlee, Doopey zeros in on my "military" past based on sr71 references, which isn't a military past, apparently having followed my posts for two years without saying anything concerning me until today--and that was to parrot patientlee on some mistaken understanding of my RL past.

Doopey's favorite authors? One of two is patientlee.

Doopey's favorite stories? ten of eleven are by patientlee.

Hmmmmmm.

Wonder where this alt will turn up next, doing what, for who. What we probably can be assured of is that the alt lends an extra vote to a certain someone's stories.

 

[Doopey]

Sorry, Bucky, Ducky, I'll take back the suggestion that you are Doopey.

Researching Doopey was interesting.

Joined two years ago but the only previous posts to the one on this thread were on 31 August 2013, on, it seems, fetish topics. And yet, like patientlee, Doopey zeros in on my "military" past based on sr71 references, which isn't a military past, apparently having followed my posts for two years without saying anything concerning me until today--and that was to parrot patientlee on some mistaken understanding of my RL past.

Doopey's favorite authors? One of two is patientlee.

Doopey's favorite stories? ten of eleven are by patientlee.

Hmmmmmm.

Wonder where this alt will turn up next, doing what, for who. What we probably can be assured of is that the alt lends an extra vote to a certain someone's stories.

The fact that you took the time to research me make me;
1. wonder what type of life you really have?
2. Wonder if I should be honored that you took the time?
Or
3. Wonder if I should now be scared on a big ficticious non military CIA pilot? You know the one who stated he worked in publishing and n is everything about everything?

I assure you I am no ones alter ego as I am not a writer. I only enjoy reading the stories of a few and just recently started to partipate in the forums. It was the laughable arguement and ignorent statements that you made that drew me to this thread.

I will now gladly bow down and out of this chest thumping arguement while agreeing with a statement that George Carlin made: Never argue with an idiot, he will only bring you down to his level and beat you with his experience.

 

[sr71plt]

Leaving arm in arm.

Can't say that Internet discussion boards aren't entertaining.

 

[Joscelyn2tg]

Anyone on here ever heard of "spiders"... nothing about this is hard. None it is rocket science. <sigh>... NEXT!!

 

[BuckyDuckman]

http://badattitudes.com/MT/tin_foil_hat.gif

Enjoy sr71plt. Your ghost chasing is fun!

 

[xelliebabex]

It is theft, but many people don't see it as theft. They see it as a victimless crime and therefore no crime at all.

But what sr71plt (and I) have been trying to say is that stopping the theft or punishing the thief is impossible under US law, even if you have the money to throw away on expensive lawyers. The US government's policy on copyright is designed to make copyright theft easy and unless you can afford lawyers to enforce your copyright, you can't protect your stories from theft.

But if you have posted your stories on the internet, on a free site, you have given away your copyright anyway. All the expensive US lawyers can't fix that.

IF you want to protect your copyright, DO NOT POST ANYWHERE ON THE INTERNET. But even staying away from the internet won't stop those with OCR software.

I am of the mind that if you give it away for free on the internet, copyright is a moot point.

Sure it would be nice if those stealing it kept your name on the bottom as the author but lets face it. You gave the story away the moment you posted it to the internet. How many icons, smilies, pictures do you have in various files or on blogs that you haven't tagged properly back to the original poster. How many funny pictures are out there featuring well known comic characters that you know haven't been done by the original artist.

Is there a difference?

I keep all my notes, drafts and emails to editors just in case i am ever accused of plagerism but at the end of the day this is fun, a hobby, not my livelihood where my reputation is everything and matters to my income and quality of life. I love writing for this site and the feedback i get.

I had a quick look at the site and I imagine he has infringed actual copyright on the movies and pictures he has available and that will be a stickier problem him than our little stories. Karma is a wonderful thing, if a little slow in catching up to people at times.

 

[DeYaKen]

And another one

You might like to know there is another one
http://sexstory.erolove.in
Loads of lit stories on there and interestingly no apparent method of submitting stories. I guess all stories are stolen or bought from other sites.

Every story is apparently penned by Sexstory.

I think I'll have to remove all those that have not yet been stolen and any future posts will remain for a limited time only.

Pity, but if the site owners don't want to protect me I'll just have to take my own measures to limit the damage.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

You might like to know there is another one
http://sexstory.erolove.in
Loads of lit stories on there and interestingly no apparent method of submitting stories. I guess all stories are stolen or bought from other sites.

Every story is apparently penned by Sexstory.

I think I'll have to remove all those that have not yet been stolen and any future posts will remain for a limited time only.

Pity, but if the site owners don't want to protect me I'll just have to take my own measures to limit the damage.

This guy has been shut down at least four times that I know of and the he still finds domain name servers and IPS's to host his sites.

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[ishtat]

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Apart from anything else, we in the UK have a fairly decent system for copyright and should I need to employ it, I'll take expert advice first.

But I'm serious about my views on US copyright, which seems to be little more than a bag of nails.

sr71plt and Og have got it right. And if posters find the truth hurtful there's little to be done which can remedy that.

I come at the issue from a different angle. For some years I a ran a company which funded this and other types of litigation, and which ran cases in both the UK and the USA.

My first question to a potential plaintiff would be; "Do you have a million dollars you are prepared to lose in this matter on costs alone?"

My second question would be, "What is the financial substance of the person or entity you intend to sue?" - if indeed you can identify them - not as easy as you might think.

Those two questions would see off 99% of potential litigants even if every single one of them had a good case in law.

And forget about your delusions that UK law offers a better jurisdiction for plaintiffs than the USA. They would be heard in London (more expensive than USA) by a judge sitting alone - no soft hearted juries. Rules of evidence there are a minefield. How are you going to get overseas defendants or witnesses to front up - they won't. When it comes to results UK is no better for plaintiffs than US jurisdictions.

The requirement that copyright be registered in the US is not an imposition but a protection to copyright holders not afforded elsewhere. I have seen two cases fall over in UK and Europe where a third party has come forward claiming that they were the copyright owner and not the plaintiff. Much less likely if registration was required as in the USA

Finally the suggestion that stories be taken down from Lit is just silly. Once a story is posted here it is gone - whatever the barrack room lawyers might think.

 

[MrTryItOnce]

As an FYI, the site - http://www.nookiestar.com/ - has been farming stories from Literotica and posting them to their own site in full without permission from the authors. I have so far found three of mine there, which is why I'm pulling all of my stories from Lit. Since this is the primary site that gets data-mined, I can't justify leaving my stories here for someone else to claim.

Also note that finding a contact email is next to impossible on the site. When you do, it requires your address and telephone number.

My suggestion is to only put "mess around" stories up here. Anything that u hold dear to your heart find the right forum or media outlet to put it out. Like others said this is a free site and there will always be people out there that will steal and try to use your ideas as their own. That's just the way of the world.

 

[DeYaKen]

sr71plt and Og have got it right. And if posters find the truth hurtful there's little to be done which can remedy that.

I come at the issue from a different angle. For some years I a ran a company which funded this and other types of litigation, and which ran cases in both the UK and the USA.

My first question to a potential plaintiff would be; "Do you have a million dollars you are prepared to lose in this matter on costs alone?"

My second question would be, "What is the financial substance of the person or entity you intend to sue?" - if indeed you can identify them - not as easy as you might think.

Those two questions would see off 99% of potential litigants even if every single one of them had a good case in law.

And forget about your delusions that UK law offers a better jurisdiction for plaintiffs than the USA. They would be heard in London (more expensive than USA) by a judge sitting alone - no soft hearted juries. Rules of evidence there are a minefield. How are you going to get overseas defendants or witnesses to front up - they won't. When it comes to results UK is no better for plaintiffs than US jurisdictions.

The requirement that copyright be registered in the US is not an imposition but a protection to copyright holders not afforded elsewhere. I have seen two cases fall over in UK and Europe where a third party has come forward claiming that they were the copyright owner and not the plaintiff. Much less likely if registration was required as in the USA

Finally the suggestion that stories be taken down from Lit is just silly. Once a story is posted here it is gone - whatever the barrack room lawyers might think.

I have no cash to fight copyright cases and don't really have the vanity to try. I would have thought that the people who profit from the work freely given to this sight might at least make a token gesture to indicate they value what we give them but it seems that is not the case.

As for removing stories, What is gone is gone, nothing I can do about it, water under the bridge. However, stories that have not yet been stolen can be taken down and since lit claims not to hold an archive, should be safer. I will be sad to disappoint the small following I do have here but I think in the future it will be a matter of get them while they're hot. If I leave them on for a couple of weeks only, it reduces the time in which they can be stolen.

I liked Lit because it presented the stories as the important part of the site, all the advertising was secondary. The other sites involved cannot say that, they are places that exist solely to sell porn. I have nothing against porn but that isn't the way I want my stories represented.

 

[sr71plt]

No one is saying either that the stories aren't yours or that Literotica doesn't make an effort to get stolen version taken off other Web sites. What's being pointed out is that there is no effective way of enforcing that, that, at least in the United States, the government purposely (and self-protectively) gives little or no support--certainly not for erotica already made accessible for free on the World Wide Web--that enforcement would be prohibitively expensive to effect, and that it would only be effective until the next time somebody stole the material and posted it to the net.

Certainly you can decide not to post stories or to take them down. That's as much your decision and responsibility as it was to decide to post them in the first place.

Not the Web site's nor other posters on the forum.

And shooting the messenger of reality does not change anything for what is your decision and responsibility--or is reality--one iota.

 

[oggbashan]

I have no cash to fight copyright cases and don't really have the vanity to try. I would have thought that the people who profit from the work freely given to this sight might at least make a token gesture to indicate they value what we give them but it seems that is not the case.

...

The site owners will do more than make a token gesture if approached correctly but what they can do is limited by the reality of the internet.

They have managed to get stolen work removed from some sites but if the site is based in a country that allows almost anything, they are as helpless as the rest of us.

 

[BuckyDuckman]

Certainly you can decide not to post stories or to take them down. That's as much your decision and responsibility as it was to decide to post them in the first place.

Not the Web site's nor other posters on the forum.

And shooting the messenger of reality does not change anything for what is your decision and responsibility--or is reality--one iota.

To restate sr71plt's apparent position:

Literotica.com is blameless in all regards.

You're an idiot for hoping otherwise.

And now... I present you either his denial or name calling . . .

 

[sr71plt]

To restate sr71plt's apparent position:

Literotica.com is blameless in all regards.

You're an idiot for hoping otherwise.

And now... I present you either his denial or name calling . . .

Well we all know that you're an idiot looking for someone else other than yourself to blame for the decisions you make, Bucky, Ducky.

 

[BuckyDuckman]

To restate sr71plt's apparent position:

Literotica.com is blameless in all regards.

You're an idiot for hoping otherwise.

And now... I present you either his denial or name calling . . .

Well we all know that you're an idiot looking for someone else other than yourself to blame for the decisions you make, Bucky, Ducky.

Such fun! Try highlighting my original post and see the hidden message!

 

[sr71plt]

When/if you grow up Bucky, Ducky, you won't need to rely on other folks to take responsibility for you and the decisions you make.

You admitted to baiting me back on post #45, so nertz to your juvenile namecalling charge. You also fell right into being the idiot here. (and can't even own that obvious reality)

Now ask who cares if you delete your stories from Literotica.

 

[BuckyDuckman]

When/if you grow up Bucky, Ducky, you won't need to rely on other folks to take responsibility for you and the decisions you make.

You admitted to baiting me back on post #45, so nertz to your juvenile namecalling charge. You also fell right into being the idiot here. (and can't even own that obvious reality)

So, paraphrase sr71plt: "I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say bounces of me and sticks to you!" Duly noted. Thanks for playing.

Now ask who cares if you delete your stories from Literotica.

As for who cares if I decide to protect my stories from wholesale thievery? Apparently I do. It's not been an easy decision. I don't share your opinion that stories are a renewable resource. Such a statement cheapens the value of all writing. It feels as if you meant to say, "You suck as an author and no one likes your stuff in the first place." Maybe you're right . . .

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/8060/gnmi.jpg

 

[sr71plt]

Bye, then. Don't let the door hit you in the butt.

Oh, and in spite of this discussion and with my eyes fully open on the reality of the lack of effective security, my next Lit. story is already three days in the submissions queue. I'll submit the one after it next week.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

It's amazing, but in this one instance I'm in agreement with Plt. I know that hell has frozen over and pigs are flying through the air as I type.

But, he is right. Anyone who publishes stories here and then finds them stolen has no one to blame but themselves. The site owners will work to get sites that steal their authors stories shutdown or the material removed, they have been successful in this endeavor in the past.

There is a problem though, the ISP may shutdown the site and maybe the domain provider might shitcan the domain name, but the owner can just find a new domain name and ISP and start all over. He could be up within minutes of the original site being shutdown.

So what recourse do you have? Well, don't blame everyone here for your problem. I didn't steal your stories, the site owners didn't steal them, nor did anyone else here (I'm pretty sure no one here did, but there could be those over on the GB that...well enough said).

As for Plt, sure he's a blowhard and pompous and has to have the last word, but he's right, you posted the stories, it's your copyright, the minute you published here - at a free site - they were open game for slimy thieves to steal.

 

[DeYaKen]

It's amazing, but in this one instance I'm in agreement with Plt. I know that hell has frozen over and pigs are flying through the air as I type.

But, he is right. Anyone who publishes stories here and then finds them stolen has no one to blame but themselves. The site owners will work to get sites that steal their authors stories shutdown or the material removed, they have been successful in this endeavor in the past.

There is a problem though, the ISP may shutdown the site and maybe the domain provider might shitcan the domain name, but the owner can just find a new domain name and ISP and start all over. He could be up within minutes of the original site being shutdown.

So what recourse do you have? Well, don't blame everyone here for your problem. I didn't steal your stories, the site owners didn't steal them, nor did anyone else here (I'm pretty sure no one here did, but there could be those over on the GB that...well enough said).

As for Plt, sure he's a blowhard and pompous and has to have the last word, but he's right, you posted the stories, it's your copyright, the minute you published here - at a free site - they were open game for slimy thieves to steal.

You seem to be telling me that I was a fool to post my stories on Lit. That being the case then the only sensible thing to do would be to remove them. and not post any more.

 

[oggbashan]

It's amazing, but in this one instance I'm in agreement with Plt. I know that hell has frozen over and pigs are flying through the air as I type.

But, he is right. Anyone who publishes stories here and then finds them stolen has no one to blame but themselves. The site owners will work to get sites that steal their authors stories shutdown or the material removed, they have been successful in this endeavor in the past.
...

I know that my stories have been stolen many times. I'm not surprised. I have been posting stories on Literotica and in Yahoo Adult Groups for over 10 years.

All that surprises me is where my stories end up, and how mangled they can be. Many sites only steal the first Lit page. Why? What's the point?

Some even steal my essays and put them on porn sites.

But some of the 'thefts' aren't thefts at all. They are just links back to one or more of my stories on Literotica. And some of those links generate positive comments on the site where the links are referenced.

 

[lovecraft68]

You seem to be telling me that I was a fool to post my stories on Lit. That being the case then the only sensible thing to do would be to remove them. and not post any more.

No one is a fool to post here.

But anyone who thinks they are "safe" here is being more than a little naive.

When you decide to post here for free you're holing up a "free lunch" sign for scavengers.