Another Site Grabbing Stories

[Mazuri]

As an FYI, the site - http://www.nookiestar.com/ - has been farming stories from Literotica and posting them to their own site in full without permission from the authors. I have so far found three of mine there, which is why I'm pulling all of my stories from Lit. Since this is the primary site that gets data-mined, I can't justify leaving my stories here for someone else to claim.

Also note that finding a contact email is next to impossible on the site. When you do, it requires your address and telephone number.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Send a DMCA notice to both addresses(snail mail). Do the domain holder first. If no response, to the ISP provider. The ISP is in the US, so you should get a quick response from them.

There is a form the notice should take...I don't have a copy anymore, but maybe someone else does.

Here is who owns the domain name...

WHOIS information for nookiestar.com:***

[Querying whois.verisign-grs.com]
[Redirected to whois.enom.com]
[Querying whois.enom.com]
[whois.enom.com]
=-=-=-=

Registration Service Provided By: Namecheap.com
Contact: support@namecheap.com
Visit: http://namecheap.com
Registered through: eNom, Inc.

Domain name: nookiestar.com

Registrant Contact:
WhoisGuard, Inc.
WhoisGuard Protected ()

Fax:
P.O. Box 0823-03411
Panama, Panama NA
PA

Administrative Contact:
WhoisGuard, Inc.
WhoisGuard Protected (5e0264815ce9465bbbf9e74da5ba78ff.protect@whoisguard.com)
+507.8365503
Fax: +51.17057182
P.O. Box 0823-03411
Panama, Panama NA
PA

Technical Contact:
WhoisGuard, Inc.
WhoisGuard Protected (5e0264815ce9465bbbf9e74da5ba78ff.protect@whoisguard.com)
+507.8365503
Fax: +51.17057182
P.O. Box 0823-03411
Panama, Panama NA
PA

Status: Locked

Name Servers:
dns1.registrar-servers.com
dns2.registrar-servers.com
dns3.registrar-servers.com
dns4.registrar-servers.com
dns5.registrar-servers.com

Creation date: 27 Feb 2012 19:02:00
Expiration date: 27 Feb 2016 11:02:00

Here is the website provider...

[Querying whois.arin.net]
[Redirected to rwhois.blacklotus.net:4321]
[Querying rwhois.blacklotus.net]
[rwhois.blacklotus.net]
%rwhois V-1.0,V-1.5:00090h:00 support1.blacklotus.net (Ubersmith RWhois Server V-2.3.0)
autharea=192.31.186.0/24
xautharea=192.31.186.0/24
network:Class-Name:network
network:Auth-Area:192.31.186.0/24
network:ID:NET-3168.192.31.186.0/24
network:Network-Name:SSL Enabled Sites
network:IP-Network:192.31.186.0/24
network:IP-Network-Block:192.31.186.0 - 192.31.186.255
network:Org-Name:Namecheap Inc.
network:Street-Address:11400 W. Olympic Blvd. Suite 200
network:City:Los Angeles
network:State:CA
networkostal-Code:90302
network:Country-Code:US
network:Tech-Contact:MAINT-3168.192.31.186.0/24
network:Created:20121214150608000
network:Updated:20121214151028000
network:Updated-By:support@blacklotus.net
contactOC-Name:Network Operations Center
contactOC-Email:support@blacklotus.net
contactOC-Phone323) 657-5944
contact:Tech-Name:Network Operations Center
contact:Tech-Email:support@blacklotus.net
contact:Tech-Phone323) 657-5944
%ok

Who knows, maybe the ISP had a provision about not hosting adult material.

 

[Handley_Page]

As an FYI, the site - http://www.nookiestar.com/ - has been farming stories from Literotica and posting them to their own site in full without permission from the authors. I have so far found three of mine there, which is why I'm pulling all of my stories from Lit. Since this is the primary site that gets data-mined, I can't justify leaving my stories here for someone else to claim.

Also note that finding a contact email is next to impossible on the site. When you do, it requires your address and telephone number.

Zeb may well be right, I don't have that problem,
but I would ask you to consider NOT pulling your stories until AFTER you have exhausted all attempts to stop 'nookiestar' ripping it off.

Why disappoint a host of good readers for some revved-up crap ?

 

[Mazuri]

I'm pulling them because nookiestar isn't the first, it won't be the last, and I have neither the energy nor the resources to play internet whack-a-mole with data-mining sites and internet piracy. The stories are grabbed from Lit. There is no protection on Lit for the authors who submit. This issue is widespread, with many authors not only seeing their work on these skeevy sites, but also posted to Amazon for others to profit from. In order to minimize the effect such sites and pirates can have, I have to remove their source for my items. That source is Lit.

 

[DeYaKen]

I'm pulling them because nookiestar isn't the first, it won't be the last, and I have neither the energy nor the resources to play internet whack-a-mole with data-mining sites and internet piracy. The stories are grabbed from Lit. There is no protection on Lit for the authors who submit. This issue is widespread, with many authors not only seeing their work on these skeevy sites, but also posted to Amazon for others to profit from. In order to minimize the effect such sites and pirates can have, I have to remove their source for my items. That source is Lit.

I reported this to literotica via their contact us feature. Guess what, no reply. The site owners are obviously not bothered about the fact that the people who provide the material that helps them make money, are having that material stolen.

 

[sr71plt]

nor the resources to play internet whack-a-mole with data-mining sites and internet piracy.

Then don't bother. It's your mind-set that needs to be changed. You valued them at zero by posting them to Literotica, an openly accessible free-use site, to begin with. If you want to protect a story, just don't do what you did. The need to protect them should come with some sort of idea what you are protecting them for. So, what are you protecting them for? Stories are an unlimited product--there's no limit to the number you can write.

If you are protecting them with the explicit intent to sell them, in normal circumstances you screwed that possibility yourself by deciding to post them to a free-use Web site to begin with. But, this being a wonderously fickle world, you actually can have them posted all over the Internet and still book them and sell them. That's just a phenomenon of erotica. I do it all the time.

And I don't tear my heart out about where else they are posted. I know they are mine. And I am making money out of them. And I can write more.

 

[sr71plt]

I reported this to literotica via their contact us feature. Guess what, no reply. The site owners are obviously not bothered about the fact that the people who provide the material that helps them make money, are having that material stolen.

Yes, to get their attention you have to use the PM feature (and you've been told this before, DeYaKen, and apparently stubbornly won't absorb). But I've already addressed what I see as wheel spinning that the author invites by posting them to an open free-use site to begin with. I think it's the author's mind-set and understanding of the e-publishing world that needs to change--and to stop pulling hair out over what the author set in motion him/herself.

 

[Mazuri]

Yes, to get their attention you have to use the PM feature (and you've been told this before, DeYaKen, and apparently stubbornly won't absorb). But I've already addressed what I see as wheel spinning that the author invites by posting them to an open free-use site to begin with. I think it's the author's mind-set and understanding of the e-publishing world that needs to change--and to stop pulling hair out over what the author set in motion him/herself.

That's very victim-blamey which I don't appreciate. The reason my stories are/were here is irrelevant. The assumed belief in their value is irrelevant. What is relevant is that I did not ask, nor did I expect, to have them lifted and posted everywhere else. That was naive of me and I'm currently rectifying that situation by removing them from the primary mined source.

Regardless of whether or not I put them to a free-use site or not, the data-miners and site-grabbers are still committing copyright infringement by reposting to other sites. Those individuals who grab and post to Amazon, Smashwords, etc are still committing copyright infringement.

Posting something to the internet DOES NOT, in any way shape or form, place that item into the public domain. Period. I don't need to change my mind set about that. Will that law stop people? No, of course it won't. People, for the most part, don't care about the content providers as long as they get their stuff for free.

Also, I don't remember any hair pulling while mentioning the situation. I simply felt other authors had a right to know what is being done with their work and what is not being done to protect it on this site.

 

[sr71plt]

Well, sure. You can fly against reality and angst over it all you want. It's your heart attack.

We get this thread every two weeks. Life isn't going to change for you. If you don't want your work stolen and republished on the Internet, don't publish it for free on an open Web site. Duh.

 

[lovecraft68]

Then don't bother. It's your mind-set that needs to be changed. You valued them at zero by posting them to Literotica, an openly accessible free-use site, to begin with. If you want to protect a story, just don't do what you did. The need to protect them should come with some sort of idea what you are protecting them for. So, what are you protecting them for? Stories are an unlimited product--there's no limit to the number you can write.

If you are protecting them with the explicit intent to sell them, in normal circumstances you screwed that possibility yourself by deciding to post them to a free-use Web site to begin with. But, this being a wonderously fickle world, you actually can have them posted all over the Internet and still book them and sell them. That's just a phenomenon of erotica. I do it all the time.

And I don't tear my heart out about where else they are posted. I know they are mine. And I am making money out of them. And I can write more.

I was going to answer, but seeing this, there's nothing I can add.

Once you put something up here, you're giving it away and not just to Lit readers.

The internet is one big grocery store and lit has some stocked shelves for sure.

 

[StrangeLife]

There is no protection on Lit for the authors who submit.

And what exactly would you have them do?

The nature of an electronic text is such that, if it can be read it can be copied. There is no known way of preventing theft, short of making the text unreadable.

 

[patientlee]

There are lawyers that troll the Internet for misuse of copyrighted material. Maybe you could find one of those.

While we're on the subject, I feel compelled to point out that not only did I take the photo in my profile pic, I also raised the butterfly from its caterpillar days. It's all mine!

 

[sr71plt]

There are lawyers that troll the Internet for misuse of copyrighted material. Maybe you could find one of those.

For erotica stories--few if any formally copyrighted--written under anonymous names, posted to free-use sites, and reposted to Chinese sites in anonymous names? Lawyers who aren't scamming authors who haven't done their research?

Get real.

This sort of misinformation doesn't help a bit--for anyone who doesn't just want to live in blissful ignorance of reality.

 

[StrangeLife]

While we're on the subject, I feel compelled to point out that not only did I take the photo in my profile pic, I also raised the butterfly from its caterpillar days. It's all mine!

And the flower? Are you sure that you're not infringing on the intellectual property of some horticulturists?

 

[Zeb_Carter]

For erotica stories--few if any formally copyrighted--written under anonymous names, posted to free-use sites, and reposted to Chinese sites in anonymous names? Lawyers who aren't scamming authors who haven't done their research?

Get real.

This sort of misinformation doesn't help a bit--for anyone who doesn't just want to live in blissful ignorance of reality.

Well that's not entirely true...the site is hosted by a Calif. company and the domain is owned by a Panamanian company.

 

[patientlee]

For erotica stories--few if any formally copyrighted--written under anonymous names, posted to free-use sites, and reposted to Chinese sites in anonymous names? Lawyers who aren't scamming authors who haven't done their research?

Get real.

This sort of misinformation doesn't help a bit--for anyone who doesn't just want to live in blissful ignorance of reality.

Copyright applies on the Internet, even if it's not specifically stated. Unless a work has a specific license, such as Creative Commons, it is copyrighted. I don't have a phone number for these "digital ambulance chasers", but they do exist. The only "research" I can cite is my notes from copyright seminars and educational blogs, but I'm convinced enough to take the time to use only my own or CC licensed digital materials.

If theft of intellectual property is enough of a reason for a person to remove their work from this site, maybe he or she would rather take some action instead of just regretting a past decision to post where theft was likely. If you think it's more helpful to beat someone when he or she is down, then that's your choice.

 

[patientlee]

And the flower? Are you sure that you're not infringing on the intellectual property of some horticulturists?

I guess I should have cited mother mature for spreading the butterfly bush all around the garden.

 

[sr71plt]

Copyright applies on the Internet, even if it's not specifically stated. Unless a work has a specific license, such as Creative Commons, it is copyrighted. I don't have a phone number for these "digital ambulance chasers", but they do exist. The only "research" I can cite is my notes from copyright seminars and educational blogs, but I'm convinced enough to take the time to use only my own or CC licensed digital materials.

If theft of intellectual property is enough of a reason for a person to remove their work from this site, maybe he or she would rather take some action instead of just regretting a past decision to post where theft was likely. If you think it's more helpful to beat someone when he or she is down, then that's your choice.

I think you haven't been keeping up on the application and requirements of copyright cases in the United States. And I'm tired of waking up folks here about the reality of that.

Wishful thinking is more damaging to some here than reality is.

Name one case that got to court concerning reposting of an erotica story from any Web site to any other Web site. Name just one case in any court in the United States. Think about that.

Now if you or anyone else here chooses to live in a Polyanna world on this, that's your choice. I'm not going to feed your delusions.

 

[patientlee]

I guess I should have cited mother mature for spreading the butterfly bush all around the garden.

Obviously I meant Mother Nature. Damn iPhone.

 

[patientlee]

I think you haven't been keeping up on the application and requirements of copyright cases in the United States. And I'm tired of waking up folks here about the reality of that.

Wishful thinking is more damaging to some here than reality is.

Name one case that got to court concerning reposting of an erotica story from any Web site to any other Web site. Name just one case in any court in the United States. Think about that.

I'm just saying that if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all. This isn't my fight. It isn't yours either.

 

[sr71plt]

I'm just saying that if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all. This isn't my fight. It isn't yours either.

And I'm saying that folks here deserve to know the truth, even if you have to use dynamite to deliver it. And have to do it twice a month because they all think they are inventing the wheel by bringing it up.

Your "lawyers are cruising the net for clients in these matters" was both off the wall and potentially invited your colleagues into a scam (not that I believe there are any lawyers doing this).

It's uninformed guidance such as that that is keeping people in self-damaging ignorance.

And "be nice" wasn't all you were saying--not by a long shot.

 

[laptopwriter]

I checked this out and found 3 of my own stories in there.

One of the problems is their formatting, there isn't any. All the sentences just run together in one big long paragraph. When I saw that I thought, what the hell, who's going to read anything on this site anyway. Now someone stealing my stories and posting on Amazon or one of the other pay sites would be a real problem since I usually pull a story after a while, rewrite part of it, and submit them for payment. I'll have to check out those sites.
By the way, is Laural sick or something? I've had a story pending now for 9 days?

 

[StrangeLife]

Obviously I meant Mother Nature. Damn iPhone.

Or maybe a Freudian slip...?

 

[sr71plt]

By the way, is Laural sick or something? I've had a story pending now for 9 days?

She's been doing her "once in ten blue moons" visitation here on the AH. She very recently posted that stories shouldn't go as long as seven days, so you should feel justified to ask about it by PM. My last one (posting two days ago) took seven days.

 

[DeYaKen]

One of the problems is their formatting, there isn't any. All the sentences just run together in one big long paragraph. When I saw that I thought, what the hell, who's going to read anything on this site anyway. Now someone stealing my stories and posting on Amazon or one of the other pay sites would be a real problem since I usually pull a story after a while, rewrite part of it, and submit them for payment. I'll have to check out those sites.
By the way, is Laural sick or something? I've had a story pending now for 9 days?

I don't see the point in pulling stories that have already been stolen. It seems like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. This situation is making me have second thoughts about posting more stories. I currently have two in editing. There will, of course, be some who think it is no bad thing for me to stop posting on LIt. I do have a fan base and they would be disappointed. What are all the trolls going to do without trying to make me rise to their bating.

For now I will hold onto everything until I decide what to do. I suppose the first thing is finding out the scale of the problem.