Help needed: Planning to introduce non-monogamy to my girlfriend

NonMono

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Background: I'm a male in my mid-twenties, and I've been in a relationship with my current girlfriend (also in her mid-twenties) for about two years now. Everything is going well. We are happy, have a great sex life, and have very little conflict in our lives. We have no kids, property, or marriages to worry about.

I've had non-monogamous feelings for pretty much my entire adult life, and I've dealt with that with serial monogamy. I'm done repressing my honest feelings, though, and I've spent the last couple months researching and reading all about how to have happy and healthy non-monogamous relationships.

In a few weeks, I plan on having a serious talk with my girlfriend about my feelings. In preparation, I wrote up something of a script for me to follow when I start the conversation. I want to be clear that I love her, will continue to love her, and have no intention on leaving her or cheating.

Could you all read through my script, and let me know if you think anything should be tweaked, added, or removed? Any advice would be appreciated.

Preface:

First and foremost, I love you. I want to continue to be with you, and I’ve only grown more attracted to you as a person as I’ve known you longer.

I find you attractive physically, sexually, psychologically, and emotionally. I think we have a connection that is very rarely found between two people.

I love you for who you are, and I only want the best for you, me, and us. You’ve made enormous steps forward in making your life better, and I admire you and your courage.

I want you, I love you, and I’m pretty sure you feel the same way towards me. Under no circumstance should this discussion be construed as a desire to break-up or become less attached. Quite the opposite, in fact.

I’m using this script-of-sorts as a way of opening up a discussion for us. I’m not making demands or expecting anything to change overnight. This is as sincere and open as I can possibly be, and I have gone to great lengths to think this through. I’m presenting these ideas to you in the hopes that you’ll understand where I’m coming from.

This is not an indictment of you and your choices, me and my choices, or the quality of our relationship. I am actually quite pleased with how our physical and emotional relationship has continued to grow. I’m having the best sex of my life with you, and I feel like we’re closer than ever as a couple.

My desires:

As you’re well aware, I am extremely sexually aroused at the idea of sex with multiple people. Our shared sexual exploration and fantasy-play has lead me to believe that this is a turn-on for you too.

Instead of feeling jealous when I think about you with another man or woman, I feel what is called “compersion.” I wasn’t familiar with the word until recently, so I won’t assume you know the definition either. Fundamentally, compersion is the opposite of jealousy. It’s an appreciation of the happiness of other people. When I think of you fucking another person, it’s a turn on. Period. I don’t feel jealously like I’m told I’m supposed to feel.

I, too, find the idea of having sex with other women extremely arousing. I find the idea of having group sex arousing. I am aroused at the idea of watching you have sex.

Under no circumstance will I ever consider cheating a viable action. Lying and going behind my loved one’s back is the opposite of how I live my life. It’s unethical, disgusting, and demeaning to everyone involved.

I’m aware of how poorly your attempt went in a previous relationship to bring another girl into the equation. I’m aware we have both expressed concerns about non-monogamous sex before. I’m aware of what our society expects from relationships and sex. Still, my desires haven’t subsided in the least, so I went looking for answers.

My research:

Despite being told over and over again by supposed experts that exclusively monogamous coupling is the only healthy kind of relationship, I knew deep down that can’t be right. Instead of rashly jumping to conclusions, I started looking at the information available. There are many resources to pull from, and I’ve tried to absorb as much information as possible.

I’ve read three wonderful books talking about human sexuality, and they have opened my eyes and heart to the possibility that humans can, in fact, have many meaningful sexual relationships without sacrificing anything.

First, I read Opening Up by Tristan Taormino. This book focuses mainly on realizing that you have specific sexual desires for multiple sexual and/or relationship configurations, and how to deal with that in your environment.

Next, I read The Ethical Slut by Dossie Easton and Janet Hardy. This book talks all about the feelings and realities about being sexually open in any configuration. It’s extremely well written, and helped me come to terms with my feelings.

Thirdly, I read Sex at Dawn by Christopher Ryan and Cacilda Jethá. This provides a scientific explanation about human sexuality and evolution. This was the nail in the coffin for me. Humans don’t have to be exclusively monogamous to be happy. What other supposed sex experts have been saying isn’t actually based in fact. The idea that human beings can only be happy and healthy in monogamous pairings is patently false, and there is massive amounts of evidence to prove it. After reading Sex at Dawn, I knew for sure this was what felt right for me.

In addition, I also listened to real world experiences with non-monogamy on the podcasts “Life on the Swingset” and “Pedestrian Polyamory.” It was very heartening to hear from regular people who feel the same way that I do.

While problems obviously still exist for people practicing non-monogamy, following your heart, and being completely open about your feelings to your loved ones are the only ways to find happiness and fulfillment.

My requests:

Before we start to make any sort of agreements or decisions, I want to hear about your concerns. Your feelings matter to me. I want you to be completely honest, and hopefully I will be able to respond intelligently about any specific questions you have.

Next, I ask that you read the three books that I did: Opening Up, The Ethical Slut, and Sex at Dawn. These books are filled to the brim with answers and information, and I think it’s important to use these resources before making any decisions about our way forward. I already own them in audiobook form, but I’d be happy to buy them in any format you prefer.

I encourage us to have multiple discussions about this topic, and I’m completely willing to see your therapist if you so choose. Nothing needs to happen right now, and I don’t want to pressure you into anything you’re not comfortable with. All I ask is that you have an open mind, speak honestly with me, and take this slowly with your hand placed firmly in mine.​
 
Hey NonMono, a courageous first post. Welcome to posting anyway.

My reply in a pm, I prefer it that way. Si.
 
Hahahahahahaha! Good luck with that. Your biggest problem
Is the fact that you want to spring this on her now after 2 years. It can't hurt to bring it up because your relationship is already 100% doomed. When she says no, you need to dump her and find a girl that is into that kind of stuff. Oh yeah, on the slim chance that she's into it, your relationship is just as over. Most women will cave under the pressure of a poly relationship.
 
Cock_star, that isn't constructive or sex-positive at all. Also, it comes off as very anti-female.
 
No... You have it all wrong. What in trying to say is that your relationship is already over because you have mentally checked out. It's okay to think about other women, but once you go into the planning stages it's over. How do you think this is going to work out? "Hey honey, I love you but I want to fuck other women. Lets talk about your concerns." Lol. Just end it now. Go out and fuck everything that walks, and don't stop until you're bored. It could be six months from now or it could be never. But this pipe dream of having your cake and eating it too will never work out. Trust me, I have experience in my side.
 
No... You have it all wrong. What in trying to say is that your relationship is already over because you have mentally checked out. It's okay to think about other women, but once you go into the planning stages it's over. How do you think this is going to work out? "Hey honey, I love you but I want to fuck other women. Lets talk about your concerns." Lol. Just end it now. Go out and fuck everything that walks, and don't stop until you're bored. It could be six months from now or it could be never. But this pipe dream of having your cake and eating it too will never work out. Trust me, I have experience in my side.
hahah, yeah but did you remember to tell them things went poly?

Some guys have big dicks; some guys are big dicks. I prefer the former.
Haha, same here
 
So, you two geniuses think this is going to work? Tell the kid the truth. Every twenty something dude in the world has thought to themselves one time or another that maybe I can turn my girl into a poly chick. It's a pipe dream that will turn into a pipe bomb if he ever brings it up.
 
So, you two geniuses think this is going to work? Tell the kid the truth. Every twenty something dude in the world has thought to themselves one time or another that maybe I can turn my girl into a poly chick. It's a pipe dream that will turn into a pipe bomb if he ever brings it up.

I'm not going to say it will work for sure. There is so many factors involved in creating a successful poly relationship that there is a damn good chance it will blow up in his face if he didn't go about out right. Well, the way they both go about it. Have they matured enough in their relationship to handle any consequences of polyamory, such as clingy sex partners our pregnancies? is there a solid foundation of trust that will override jealousy and resentment? Are they selfless enough up allow the other as much sexual freedom as they allow themselves?

Open communication is vital. Both must make sure the other is comfortable with all that is happening, and who it is happening with, and be open to listen to each others discomforts with the willingness to put a stop to anything that may hurt the other. It's definitely something that requires alot of work, especially the beginning, but it can be successful.
 
I'm not going to say it will work for sure. There is so many factors involved in creating a successful poly relationship that there is a damn good chance it will blow up in his face if he didn't go about out right. Well, the way they both go about it. Have they matured enough in their relationship to handle any consequences of polyamory, such as clingy sex partners our pregnancies? is there a solid foundation of trust that will override jealousy and resentment? Are they selfless enough up allow the other as much sexual freedom as they allow themselves?

Open communication is vital. Both must make sure the other is comfortable with all that is happening, and who it is happening with, and be open to listen to each others discomforts with the willingness to put a stop to anything that may hurt the other. It's definitely something that requires alot of work, especially the beginning, but it can be successful.

The truth is there is a 99.99% chance that you will fail at changing a mono to a poly relationship. Help the kid out fox.. You know I'm right. You can even call me an asshole. Say cock star you are the biggest dick on this board, but you are right. Say it. Say it now
 
The truth is there is a 99.99% chance that you will fail at changing a mono to a poly relationship. Help the kid out fox.. You know I'm right. You can even call me an asshole. Say cock star you are the biggest dick on this board, but you are right. Say it. Say it now

Hahaha I'm not going to stroke your ego. There is a likely chance he will fail, I wouldn't say 99.9%, but it's likely. Then again, I don't really know the dynamics if their relationship. I can't make any comparisons to mine, which is successful, or yours, which wasn't, because I don't know more.
 
I think the script is a bad idea. If you're going to talk to her about something like this, your thoughts need to come from the heart. No other opinions matter. You should have a pretty good idea of how she will react. If you don't, stay away from the subject. You have more dating to do. If you do have a good idea of how she will react and you do not think it is favorable, you're in the wrong relationship.

My husband and I are very active in the swinger community. I know loving couples that have been in polyamorous relationships for 20 years. It can work. It just depends on the couple. Ignore anyone who says it is destined to fail. These days that a pretty safe prediction for any marriage.

Good luck.
 
It's very well thought out, I'll give you that. Unfortunately, there's more than one way this could go and worst case scenario is, you lose her as your significant other. Prepare yourself for that outcome, even if it doesn't happen. Being open also means respecting her wishes and beliefs.

The only downside to your post, in my view, is that you two have been in a closed relationship for two years and while you've always felt this way, you've not based your relationship on these values. With that said, it doesn't mean she's not going to be open to the idea, either.

It's a journey you both have to take and while I do believe your timing is off, better to tell her now than wait another two years. Or, until you're married and have children... like so many do. It's good to know where you stand in a relationship, but it's even more comforting to know that your partner is also in agreement with it.

The fact that you've put a lot of thought and heart into this is a wonderful step in the right direction. Whether she'll take that step with you is another story. You've thought this through and now it's time to put it into action. Just keep in my mind, you cannot read this to her like a script. Deviation will happen because you're not sure how she will respond and you need to prepare for that also.

Good luck to you both. ~
 
Even though you said it without saying it, I thank you fox.

I did not, you're just reaching for confirmation now. There's usually always a chance for failure, if not handled right. Guessed you proved that, huh? Don't be upset though, not everyone can be successful ;).

people like cordelera, me, and many others prove that it can work out.
 
I never said I was unsuccessful... I just think its easier to start a poly relationship, rather than convert a mono to one. Say it.
 
do NOT use a script, especially one like that. In my experience, women are either open to suggestions or not. If she's not, you will probably just freak her out completely by presenting her with all that out of the blue. If she is, all you need to do is casually drop some hints here and there (and avoid appearing obsessed) until she catches on, at which point you can realistically start discussing all the serious aspects about the lifestyle that you've written.
 
Not usually a cockstar supporter and as always he's a bit crude, but he is essentially right.

Two years in this is going to be a problem.

Life is not a literotica group sex story. She is most likely going to be upset you want to share and either dump you because she figures your cheating will now be inevitable or she will try it for you, not like it and as he said you're doomed.

Understand something.

Lit is full of happy swingers and the stories glorify it. There are many that are happy in that lifestyle. But far more try with some bad results.

Sure its a hot fantasy to envision your wife with another man. But when that moment comes and you're confronted with a guy banging your wife/girl in front of you, reality can hit hard and now there are issues.

Marriage therapists and divorce courts are full of failed swingers.

Being open is something to address fairly quickly and the old "it will spice things up?" for long time couples?

"Abandon hope all ye who enter here"
 
I never said I was unsuccessful... I just think its easier to start a poly relationship, rather than convert a mono to one. Say it.

See when you said "trust me, I have experience." I thought you meant in fucking up.

you didn't say it was just easier, you pretty much said it was impossible. Which it's not. My own started about three or so years into the relationship.
 
You are the exception... Most women in there mid twenties start thinking about marriage, not sharing their man. I'm glad it's worked out for you, but come on... This kid wrote a speech. Lol. If your still reading this kid, if she says no to you fucking other women, break up with her. You need more life experience.
 
You are the exception... Most women in there mid twenties start thinking about marriage, not sharing their man. I'm glad it's worked out for you, but come on... This kid wrote a speech. Lol. If your still reading this kid, if she says no to you fucking other women, break up with her. You need more life experience.

Haha ok, the speech thing I can agree with you on...but he's attempting to bring out a fetish he's never spoken of to his girlfriends before (I'm assuming by the "repressed" comment) to someone he cares for. I imagine he is just a bit nervous. I may be an exception, but I'm not the only exception. If she is willing to try, it can very well work.
 
One red flag to me that when a relationship is opened up to swinging or poly that a major baseline requirement is totally open communication.
It appears that you have done a huge amount of research into this without including her while doing the research.
( Yes you have chosen appropriate reading for her however )

This does not preclude the fact the amount of time and energy you have put into it without her knowledge.
I would strongly suggest that you preface any discussions with this fact. Own the the fact that you were / are confused on how you feel about the subject matter as well as how it relates to your current relationship.

Without this prior full disclosure as a preface (along with anything else you need to come clean about ) I can only dream for a positive outcome for you in this relationship.

Tread slowly introducing each new bit of research to her while she digests / adjusts to your revelations.
Remember you are trying to change the terms of your relationship with her. BOTH of you have to 100% agree before changes like these can happen in a healthy manner.

Meanwhile be a open non judgmental space for her to vent / lash out, etc. while she digests the thought of the end of the relationship she once had with you. Hopefully the two of you can then create an entirely new relationship based on full disclosure whether or not it includes swinging / poly. Those are all terms that must be negotiated and agreed upon then.

Hope this helps. Good luck.
 
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