Gun Nuts II

[Ishmael]

Yeah I get your choices... The choices I made are more for who I am making them for. The "owner" who has no guns wants one of each. He asked if 40K would be enough to buy all that for himself and two sons. I told him half that should be fine....

I figured he would want something he could walk in to his range (in his exclusive community) and brag about.

Oh.... He also wanted a pistol for his wife, "small, like the bond gun" So I told he the W PPK 7.62mm.

Yeah, my choices are considerably more pedestrian, so if he want's 'bragging rights', well go for it.

Ishmael

 

[koalabear]

Yeah I get your choices... The choices I made are more for who I am making them for. The "owner" who has no guns wants one of each. He asked if 40K would be enough to buy all that for himself and two sons. I told him half that should be fine....

I figured he would want something he could walk in to his range (in his exclusive community) and brag about.

Oh.... He also wanted a pistol for his wife, "small, like the bond gun" So I told he the W PPK 7.62mm.

870 w/Magpul furniture.

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[VaticanAssassin]

Yeah, my choices are considerably more pedestrian, so if he want's 'bragging rights', well go for it.

Ishmael

Should have told him to cut me the 40K and I would go get everything he needs.....

Hindsight sucks ass sometime.

 

[Ishmael]

Should have told him to cut me the 40K and I would go get everything he needs.....

Hindsight sucks ass sometime.

1. he'd ask for receipts.

2. Your name would be on the records.

Ishmael

 

[marshalt]

Pull!

Moose season is closed. Bears are sleeping.

I sure wouldn't want to hunt a bear when it's awake!

There are a lot of answers to the 9mm questions.
Will it be for concealed carry? A nightstand gun? Targets?

If you are new to firearms and aren't sure that you actually want to drop a ton of money, I would suggest a Hi-Point C-9. (I think they might be calling it something different now.) They are usually priced under $200. Gun snobs might give you a bit of guff at the range, but people in the know will tell you that you have a quality, reliable weapon.

Moving up in the world of 9mm? The Glock 19 is always a good way to go.

Shotguns? The big names to look for would be Remington, Winchester, and Benelli. Do you want a pump action or semi-auto? Don't worry about having to chose between a long barrel for hunting and a short barrel for home defense. Just get 2 barrels! On most shotguns it takes less than a minute to swap out the barrel.

AR? I'm a big fan of DPMS.

I'l give a recommendation for a firearm you didn't mention, .22. You should get a Ruger 10/22. Shop around a bit. Big sporting goods stores often have sales where you can get a gun/scope combo for under $300. If you are new to firearms, this is just about the best gun in the world to learn on.

 

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[remy_lebeau8]

So you do not own guns and you want the following:

A 9mm pistol
A Shotgun ( dual purpose; self defense, trap)
A AR


You are going to buy three of each. 1 for each of your sons as well. Money is not really a object, but set a 18K limit for all.

What do you recommend?

S&w m&p
Remington 870 with a spare short barrel for home defence
From gunsmiths ive spoken with, all ARs are milspec so pick your favorite.

 

[ivantheterrible]

.338 lapua for those long range head shots.
.50 cal. desert eagle semi-auto pistol
any basic pump shotgun
and a flintlock rifle

 

[BotanyBoy]

A shotgun for shooting trap is probably too long for a self-defense shotgun, although it would still work. A short, pistol grip pump action shotgun would be best for self-defense, but that wouldn't work for trap.

You can use it for trap...but you will be hurting pretty bad pretty quick using a tac shotty.

I agree.

But this is not for me. I know what I am going to recommend. Just curious as to others thoughts.

So far I an underwhelmed......

9mm is a fine round...KB is just a hater...which I get as a 45 fan myself, but there is lots of value in the sustainability/control of a 9mm. Realize that you will also have higher rate of over penetration with certain rounds than damn near any other pistol as well short of a 44, 50, 357 sig or 10mm

For a go-to practical weapon you can conceal/carry I would go fondle some Sig's, Glock's, XD's, H&K's.

Sig/H&K build the finest combat handguns under 2 grand bar none.

The XD/Glock are about 1/2 or 1/3 the price but are built like fucking tanks, super simple operation and are more aimed at concealed carry.

KB's 870 is a good shotty...I prefer the M500, b/c I'm familiar with it. I like magpul furniture, EOTECH sight, and surefire tac light on a pressure switch.

AR's.....shit's all the same. I like DelTon, Colt, RRA, Armalite, LWRC, Adams Arms myself.

I recommend growing a penis.

Probably because Americans are notably deficient in the phallus department.

Man you love penis don't you? It's like you can't wait for a gun thread so you can talk about cock.....

Try hard vet jr. that's what you should change your name to.

 

[bernett69]

the Beretta 92FS certainly has some value and pros. although modern polymer pistols are just a reliable and is some cases cheaper.

9mm is always a good choice for home defense, don't let anyone tell you the a 9mm is for pussies.... let them stand against a wall and let you take a shot or two first if it sucks that badly. the modern 9mm loads are nothing that they where 20 years ago and even then it surely wasn't anything to laugh at.

Here is a snapshot of some of that testing which clearly shows that modern 9mm defensive handgun ammo is every bit as effective as the .40 S&W or a .45 ACP. While looking at these results, keep in mind that if similar sized handguns are compared, the one in 9mm will always HOLD MORE AMMO.

LOAD - VELOCITY - PENETRATION - EXPANSION

9mm 124 gr. Speer Gold Dot +P - 1182 - 13.25 - .71

.40 S&W 155 gr. Speer Gold Dot - 1222 - 13.00 - .68

.45 ACP 185 gr. Speer Gold Dot - 1080 - 14.00 - .72

9mm 124 gr. Golden Saber +P - 1068 - 15.00 - .64

9mm 135 gr. Critical Duty 135 +P - 1086 - 17.50 - .52

.40 S&W 155 gr. Win. Silvertip - 1209 - 10.25 - .76

.45 ACP 200 gr. Hornady XTP - 955 - 17.25 - .59

It’s all about the bullet and velocity, not the cartridge or caliber. When you compare similar expanding bullets which have been optimally engineered for specific cartridges, guess what? The results are similar too. The first three loads using Speer Gold Dot bullets illustrate this perfectly with almost identical terminal performance.

The next four loads show how different bullet types can be used to present almost any argument you want. Here a 9mm load out expands a .45 and another 9mm load way out penetrates a .40 S&W. You see, the laws of physics apply evenly to everything. Bullets which expand wide don’t go very deep, those that stay small push deeper. Got it? Lesson over.


Remington 870 shotgun is perfect. there are so many after market accessories for it to make it exactly how you like.

ruger mini 14 is fine. its a lot cheaper then an AR-15 and fires the same cartridge 5.56x45mm . and is capable of also shooting the .223 ammo. NOTE that if you purchase a .223 caliber rifle you can NOT shoot 5.56x45mm, there is a pressure difference.
also the magazines are different between the mini 14 and AR-15, they do not interchange and the mini 14 are more expensive and a bit harder to find.

prices on every thing is only going up . ammo has just about doubles since September. AR-15 are nearing $3000. Remington 870 currently at cabelas is between $399 and $599 depending on features. smith and wesson M&P 9mm you can get for under $600 most places. so for $5000 you can outfit someone pretty well.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Here is a snapshot of some of that testing which clearly shows that modern 9mm defensive handgun ammo is every bit as effective as the .40 S&W or a .45 ACP. While looking at these results, keep in mind that if similar sized handguns are compared, the one in 9mm will always HOLD MORE AMMO.

LOAD - VELOCITY - PENETRATION - EXPANSION

9mm 124 gr. Speer Gold Dot +P - 1182 - 13.25 - .71

.40 S&W 155 gr. Speer Gold Dot - 1222 - 13.00 - .68

.45 ACP 185 gr. Speer Gold Dot - 1080 - 14.00 - .72

9mm 124 gr. Golden Saber +P - 1068 - 15.00 - .64

9mm 135 gr. Critical Duty 135 +P - 1086 - 17.50 - .52

.40 S&W 155 gr. Win. Silvertip - 1209 - 10.25 - .76

.45 ACP 200 gr. Hornady XTP - 955 - 17.25 - .59

It’s all about the bullet and velocity, not the cartridge or caliber.

The cartridge and caliber heavily determine what kind of bullet and it's velocity.

I notice you didn't list the stats for the Gold Dot +P .45ACP or a 185gr +P corbon rounds that give a 10mm a run for it's money and put a standard load hornady up for comparison against the +P gold dot 9... because a .45 +P gold dot fucking owns. You can get 45 rounds that gut check 10mm and 44 mags bro...no such thing in 9mm.

I'm not saying 9mm isn't a fine round...but side by side the .45 hit's harder and has better energy transfer being a slower/heavier round with less over penetration than the smaller faster rounds, none of which have anywhere near the velocities to cause massive cavitation in the wound channel seen with rifle rounds.

Mag capacity is also fairly moot when you get into double stacks....sure my 9 will hold 17 rounds...but my 45 holds 15.... Not really a huge advantage/disadvantage imo when you have several mags.

I won't hate the 9...it works...but it's advantages over a 45 are very limited and fairly minute...and they do not hit just as hard as a .45 unless you use some lop sided ass ammo comparison...comes down to taste/what's comfy/what you are using it for. Pistols suck fucking ass anyhow... frangible .308 safety rounds are where it's at they fucking own so hard, no hope of survival...don't even bother with an amberlance.

 

[Squibbs]

If you can't buy 9 decent guns for under 18k, you need to shop somewhere else.