A good (long) read on gun control.

[richard_daily]

Best recent article on the subject I've read.

The author is well-qualified, and doesn't make knee jerk emotional arguments.

The premise and reasoning is sound, and I think that his argument is the right call. It will cost the federal and local governments no money, and as he has shown in his article, it will reduce the amount of deaths from mass shootings.


Why do you think that these random wackos are going after "soft targets"?

Because they want to encounter the least amount of resistance.

 

[badbabysitter]

I've yet to figure out how the intent behind an object's creation has any bearing on its use. The mass-energy equivalence wasn't intended to kill people, but it leveled two cities.

The mass-energy equivalence wasn't intended to kill

guns were built to kill

Ican drive a car to the store, I can also kill someone going to the store driving there


if I use car with its original intent with another person, we go somewhere

if I use a gun with its original intent, someone dies

 

[Sean]

Best recent article on the subject I've read.

The author is well-qualified, and doesn't make knee jerk emotional arguments.

The premise and reasoning is sound, and I think that his argument is the right call. It will cost the federal and local governments no money, and as he has shown in his article, it will reduce the amount of deaths from mass shootings.


Why do you think that these random wackos are going after "soft targets"?

Because they want to encounter the least amount of resistance.

He uses John Lott to back up his bullshit, therefore the article is garbage. QED.

 

[Sean]

And some of the world's most stringent gun laws with penalties for personal gun possession up to and including the death penalty, also apparently "have absolutely no bearing on the fact" that nutters who get illegal guns in China occasionally use them with the same tragic results as occur elsewhere.

I think you must have missed this in my last post: Early last year, a man in the northeast went on a rampage with a homemade pistol, killing five family members and neighbors. In September 2007, a young Guangzhou man was found guilty of using a replica gun to rob a bank customer of $218,000, and drew a 19-year prison sentence. In December, a guard at a munitions dump machine-gunned a colleague over a chess match. Two days later, he was killed, too, in a shootout with police.

Are incidents of multiple murder accompanying a single shooting spree fewer per capita in China than in the United States? Oh, most certainly.

Does splitting the hair on the less than 1% of such incidents in both countries give gun opponents a hard on? Oh, most certainly.

If it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling to live in a country where robbing someone with a carved out bar of soap or a toy gun gets the thief 19 years in prison, then by all means, pack your bags. Personally, that degree of over-reaction would make me nervous concerning how the "authorities" might treat me if I observed out loud that it looked like the "Great Leader" was putting on a little weight.

So your argument is that because someone in a MUNITIONS DUMP got hold of a gun China's gun laws are wrong? How many people did the guy with the replica kill?

 

[BotanyBoy]

He uses John Lott to back up his bullshit, therefore the article is garbage. QED.

Doesn't change the fact that "Gun Free Zones" are by far and large THE place to be killed in a mass shooting. It's a horrible policy that blew up in every one's face almost immediately... it needs to go

Never herd of a gun show or gun range spree killing before....

 

[Peregrinator]

He uses John Lott to back up his bullshit, therefore the article is garbage. QED.

He also uses Kleck, the Supreme Court, the CDC, the Brady Center, historical facts, and the special commission that studied the Clinton-era Scary Guns BOO! ban. Your post reads like a global warming denialist special.

 

[Sean]

He also uses Kleck, the Supreme Court, the CDC, the Brady Center, historical facts, and the special commission that studied the Clinton-era Scary Guns BOO! ban. Your post reads like a global warming denialist special.

GIGO. You quote Lott as an authority, I don't take you seriously.

 

[richard_daily]

He uses John Lott to back up his bullshit, therefore the article is garbage. QED.

His logic is sound. I'm not claiming to agree with all of his reference points, nor do I agree with his demonizing of the left wing (which is factually inaccurate).

Read through the whole thing.

It shows how little the people passing the anti-gun laws actually know about guns.

They remind me of the MPAA, the RIAA, and the PMRC all rolled up into one.

 

[Peregrinator]

GIGO. You quote Lott as an authority, I don't take you seriously.

Argumentum ad hominem.

 

[Sean]

His logic is sound. I'm not claiming to agree with all of his reference points, nor do I agree with his demonizing of the left wing (which is factually inaccurate).

Read through the whole thing.

It shows how little the people passing the anti-gun laws actually know about guns.

They remind me of the MPAA, the RIAA, and the PMRC all rolled up into one.

I stopped reading after the second major lie/ spin in the piece. I gave him one chance, he doesn't get a second.

 

[Sean]

Argumentum ad hominem.

Not in the least. He uses proven bullshit to back his argument so I don't take him seriously. That's about as far from an ad hominem as it's possible to get.

 

[richard_daily]

I stopped reading after the second major lie/ spin in the piece. I gave him one chance, he doesn't get a second.

I'm not sure what you're afraid of, but it's fairly apparent that it's something in that article.

 

[Peregrinator]

Not in the least. He uses proven bullshit to back his argument so I don't take him seriously. That's about as far from an ad hominem as it's possible to get.

You're choosing to focus on that one reference. Is the CDC equally fraudulent? How about the Brady Center?

 

[Sean]

I'm not sure what you're afraid of, but it's fairly apparent that it's something in that article.

Afraid? Are Jews afraid of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

 

[Sean]

You're choosing to focus on that one reference. Is the CDC equally fraudulent? How about the Brady Center?

I didn't get that far. I gave the guy a second chance after his first piece of garbage, I have no interest in anything else he has to say.

 

[Peregrinator]

I didn't get that far. I gave the guy a second chance after his first piece of garbage, I have no interest in anything else he has to say.

Have you been viewing busybody's posts in the gw thread? "Al Gore and the UN said it, so it can't be true."

 

[Sean]

Have you been viewing busybody's posts in the gw thread? "Al Gore and the UN said it, so it can't be true."

I don't read BB either. For pretty much the same reason.

 

[Peregrinator]

I don't read BB either. For pretty much the same reason.

Make an argument or a proposal, so we have something to discuss.

 

[blobfish]

The mass-energy equivalence wasn't intended to kill

guns were built to kill

Ican drive a car to the store, I can also kill someone going to the store driving there


if I use car with its original intent with another person, we go somewhere

if I use a gun with its original intent, someone dies

I fail to see the difference between a death caused by something that was made to kill and something that was not.

 

[Sean]

Make an argument or a proposal, so we have something to discuss.

I've done so many times. Make possession of anything other than a long gun with a flintlock firing mechanism a class one felony. After a suitable grace period for voluntary destruction of firearms, anyone caught in possession of same will be presumed to be a threat to others and killed on the spot by law enforcement.

 

[richard_daily]

Afraid? Are Jews afraid of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

In that case, read the article and address the points he makes. Until that point, then yes, you are afraid.

 

[richard_daily]

I've done so many times. Make possession of anything other than a long gun with a flintlock firing mechanism a class one felony. After a suitable grace period for voluntary destruction of firearms, anyone caught in possession of same will be presumed to be a threat to others and killed on the spot by law enforcement.

I mean, not to point out the obvious, but that's extremely fascist sounding.

I expect better from you.

 

[Sean]

In that case, read the article and address the points he makes. Until that point, then yes, you are afraid.

I'll get to it. Right after I've finished with all the threads on Stormfront dealing with race relations.

 

[Sean]

I mean, not to point out the obvious, but that's extremely fascist sounding.

I expect better from you.

Some cancers have to be cut out. And that's exactly what America's gun fetish is, a cancer.

 

[richard_daily]

Some cancers have to be cut out. And that's exactly what America's gun fetish is, a cancer.

You're not sounding any less fascist with that statement.