It's an anonymous forum. So, why are the right-fringe GBers so scared?

[4est_4est_Gump]

And now, back to our fearless race-warrior...


His morning page one opus is "Was Reagan a Racist" which really plays well to my original remarks about how he is so extremely focused on race as defined by the phenomena known as "white guilt."

 

[Exquisition]

And now, back to our fearless race-warrior...


His morning page one opus is "Was Reagan a Racist" which really plays well to my original remarks about how he is so extremely focused on race as defined by the phenomena known as "white guilt."

He was a racist. The guy used to convene KKK parties and drag black guys from the back of his pick up.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

He was a racist. The guy used to convene KKK parties and drag black guys from the back of his pick up.

Just remember, when it comes to comedy, I do not 'get' Monty Python or Benny Hill...

 

[Exquisition]

rather I fear losing my ability to pursue wealth if that is the key to my pursuit of personal happiness.

Is it? You don't make this clear. Define, for you, your pursuit of happiness.

I haven't addressed the remaining 99% of your post, erudite though it is, it says nothing other than "No, I don't agree that conservative = close minded, liberal = open minded." I knew that already.

The above part, however, once we whittle away the verbosity is the nub.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Is it? You don't make this clear. Define, for you, your pursuit of happiness.

I haven't addressed the remaining 99% of your post, erudite though it is, it says nothing other than "No, I don't agree that conservative = close minded, liberal = open minded." I knew that already.

The above part, however, once we whittle away the verbosity is the nub.

Liberalism, as originally defined, was the formalization of man's natural rights; foremost, the right to life which implies the right to property as the right to life is ownership of your person (and that leads to the right of self-defense). In the pursuit of property (or not, to each his own according to his ambition, ability and inclination), be it the basics food, shelter and clothing, or something more elaborate such as a retirement fund, a lusty gold-digging wench, mansion or an inheritance for your progeny (in which you willingly exchange a portion of your life through your labor or mental effort), you have the right to do as you please to achieve your ends as long as it brings no actual harm to another (and circumstances such as being "offended" certainly are not included). The economic formulation of Liberalism is Capitalism. The efforts against Capitalism are a childish desire to return to the past which is generally viewed as idyllic, simpler, more peaceful and "green." I can assure you, the return to communal village living, ruling Oligarchy, the Witch Doctor and Mercantilism, the foundations of most dreams of central state are actually stagnations which reduces man to sustenance living, dirtier air, water and land as he wallows in a shared poverty where Capital becomes the sacred holding of the ruling Oligarchy and their supporting Scribe Class [Hoffer].

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=802444

Modern Liberalism is a child's dream and produces the most closed of minds that pursue education if (and only if - a computer science term) it is presented in such a way as to reaffirm the particular (and shifting) belief system of the day which is generally founded in the nebulous and hard to define concepts of "Human Rights" where you have an ever-expanding list of the things guaranteed to you just for being born...

When man (and not his creator) confers rights, then everything is a right to be granted or denied as men clamor and jostle for their perceived rights. When everything is a right, rights are cheap. When rights are cheap it is easy for the government to award and dismiss them.
A_J, the Stupid

… an immense tutelary power is elevated, which alone takes charge of assuring their enjoyments and watching over their fate. It is absolute, detailed, rigid, far-seeing and mild. It would resemble paternal power if, like that, it had for its object to prepare men for manhood; but on the contrary, it seeks only to keep them fixed irrevocably in childhood; it likes citizens to enjoy themselves. It willingly works for their happiness; but it wants to be the unique agent and sole arbiter of that.
Thus, taking each individual by turns in its powerful hands and kneading him as it likes, the sovereign extends its arms over society as a whole; it covers its surface with a network of small, complicated, painstaking, uniform rules through which the most original minds and the most vigorous souls cannot clear a way to surpass the crowd; it does not break wills, but it softens them, bends them and directs them; it rarely forces one to act, but it constantly opposes itself to one’s acting; it does not destroy, it prevents things from being born; it does not tyrannize, it hinders, compromises, enervates, extinguishes, dazes and finally reduces each nation to being nothing more than a herd of timid and industrial animals of which the government is the shepherd.
Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

 

[PoppingTom]

When man (and not his creator) confers rights, then everything is a right to be granted or denied as men clamor and jostle for their perceived rights. When everything is a right, rights are cheap. When rights are cheap it is easy for the government to award and dismiss them.
A_J, the Stupid

Now, tell me why rights are not man made.

 

[PoppingTom]

The economic formulation of Liberalism is Capitalism. The efforts against Capitalism are a childish desire to return to the past which is generally viewed as idyllic, simpler, more peaceful and "green." I can assure you, the return to communal village living, ruling Oligarchy, the Witch Doctor and Mercantilism, the foundations of most dreams of central state are actually stagnations which reduces man to sustenance living, dirtier air, water and land as he wallows in a shared poverty where Capital becomes the sacred holding of the ruling Oligarchy and their supporting Scribe Class

The thing is that the bold written is the capitalism they get now.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Now, tell me why rights are not man made.

Tell me why they are.

When man (and not his creator) confers rights, then everything is a right to be granted or denied as men clamor and jostle for their perceived rights. When everything is a right, rights are cheap. When rights are cheap it is easy for the government to award and dismiss them.
A_J, the Stupid

The government big enough to do something for you is big enough to do something to you. If you accept the former then you are saddled with the latter, for the two are inseperable; for is generally at the expense of to.
A_J, the Stupid

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The thing is that the bold written is the capitalism they get now.

We are not governed by the Liberal Law of Capitalism and Natural Rights, we are already well down that slope of being governed by the rule of man based on the rights of man and the strict regulation of Capitalism which the Socialists are so very enamored of. To say that our state of stagnation has been produced by Capitalism is an error of the highest order for it is being brought out as the usual unintended result of all Nations that decide against Natural Rights for man-made rights and the equality of outcome that each man possess no more, or no less than his fellow man.

It is popular today to blame capitalism for everything that displeases. Indeed, who is still aware of what he would have to forego if there were no "capitalism?" When great dreams do not come true, capitalism is charged immediately. This may be a proper procedure for party politics, but in Scientific discussion, it should be avoided.
Ludwig von Mises
A Critique of Interventionalism (1929)

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

They become apt to take because they wish to spend and cannot do this easily; for their possessions soon run short. Thus they are forced to provide means from some other source. At the same time, because they care nothing for honor, they take recklessly and from any source.
Aristotle

The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws."
Cornelius Tacitus

A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.
Thomas Jefferson

"[W]hat limits ought to be set to the activity of the state," is "that the provision of security, against both external enemies and internal dissensions must constitute the purpose of the state, and occupy the circle of its activity."
Wilhelm von Humboldt

 

[PoppingTom]

Tell me why they are.

Because they are.

And you haven't any counter proof so far.

But a god given and enlightened person like you don't need any proof. You just don't need any logic so far.

Let the feeling flow........and curse all those hoity-toity inellectuals, who the fuck they think they are?

 

[Squibbs]

Because they are.

And you haven't any counter proof so far.

But a god given and enlightened person like you don't need any proof. You just don't need any logic so far.

Let the feeling flow........and curse all those hoity-toity inellectuals, who the fuck they think they are?

Stop fucking quoting the broken record.

Would you argue with a door knob?

You may get original replies from one.

 

[Exquisition]

The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws."
Cornelius Tacitus

Needs an update that one -how about "The more complex a multicultural, secular, post modernist state, the more numerous the laws?"

That's better.

Still waiting on:

"rather I fear losing my ability to pursue wealth if that is the key" clarification in the context of:

Your pursuit of happiness.

I think rather than answering a question with lots of amazing quotes from figures down the ages, why not just answer the question for yourself?

You see, I feel that is possibly the key to understanding where you're coming from - vis: from Liberal to Conservative.