"You didn't build that" is Obama's precise belief.

[phrodeau]

It's amazing that you all can argue your points so well. It's as if you can communicate in a language everybody else understands.

Did you do that all by yourself?

 

[Disgustipated]

Ishmael, that is a tour de force. May I add, government is either a servant or a ruler. In America the government is a servant and in fact exists at the will of the people and must obey the people.

The people who comprise the mechanics of our government in fact must be carefully scrutanized to be certain they do not become rulers, even in their own minds. We pay them well to serve, not to rule.

Shaddup, alt. You show up every now and then to back some idiotic thread by some idiot every now and then including dizzybooby. Fuck off until you grow a pair.

 

[coachdb18]

But setting the record straight, I did too build that. And for those things already in place before my time, my father, and his father before him built it.

Everything that the government is, has done, has facilitated the construction thereof, was done with the consent of those who paid for it and rest assured, the paymaster wasn't the government. Every single dime came from the taxpayer and for the most part from the various businesses that employed those taxpayers.

The government has never created a single penny of wealth and never will. The best the government has ever done is to get out of the way of those that actually do create wealth.

You owe your government, community, absolutely NOTHING. Every single piece of infrastructure that exists you bought and paid for with the sweat of your brow. You're obligation is to do nothing more than to pay the taxes you owe under whatever tax laws you live under and to obey the laws until such time that you, along with others, can overturn those laws via the courts or the various legislative bodies. The very concept that the 'government' gave you these things and you 'owe' them in return is the mind set of a serf, a slave, an indentured servant at the very best. It is not an attitude befitting free men and women.

There was no 'taking Obama out of context' in his statement. His statement was a true reflection of what he believes. He stated as much in his book, assuming you bothered to take the time to read it. All of the semantic 'dancing' and convoluted disassembling of his words just won't change the reality of what he was saying. And what he was saying was that all blessings flow from the government. The government didn't 'build' those roads, or bridges, or anything else public because the government COULDN'T build those public facilities without the capital that flowed in from the industries and individuals that, in the end, actually made all of those roads and bridges possible.

Ishmael

The government was created by and for the people, not the other way around. It exists only to serve us, not to be our masters. It is us who determine what government should be, and that is all. It does not create us, it does not allow us, and we do not owe it anything. We are its owner, and it is subject to us. We need to bitchslap this creature that is clearly trying to take on a life of its own, and return it to a status of subservience, its rightful place.

 

[Disgustipated]

The government was created by and for the people, not the other way around. It exists only to serve us, not to be our masters. It is us who determine what government should be, and that is all. It does not create us, it does not allow us, and we do not owe it anything. We are its owner, and it is subject to us. We need to bitchslap this creature that is clearly trying to take on a life of its own, and return it to a status of subservience, its rightful place.

This coming from someone who supposedly served his country "proudly."

 

[Ishmael]

I'm waiting for you to figure out that when you keep people down, they pull you right down with them.

The government will never figure out that one.

It's in the best interest of the populist politicians to "Keep the People Down." It's the only way they can be the "saviors."

There are, and have always been, those whose 'victim' status is a way of life. No matter the color of the skin, or culture, or place of national origin. No matter if they've been unshackled or not. And as I mentioned previously, it's in their own best interest to do so, not necessarily in the interest of the citizen.

If you plot the history of government, any government, you expose the profile of a sociopath (google "sociopath profile"). And those under the auspices of a sociopath are commonly referred to as victims. Unfortunately, for the most part, they become willing victims.

To get this, you must do that. And when enough people want one thing or the other, well, they got you by the balls (or snatch as the case may be). For at that time they, the government, will have total control over every meaningful aspect of your life. Oh, they'll let you fuck whoever you want, but who cares? That's something you could always do. And if you drop a kid? Well, just another taxpayer or fodder for their wars, or captive voter dependent on questionable largess (ask the Indians about that).

You are only a victim if you WANT to be a victim. Really doesn't matter if you're being raped by the dude in the ski mask or the government. (Although the government makes it seem so much more like consensual sex. But rape is rape, no matter how smooth the operators.)

Ishmael

 

[coachdb18]

It's in the best interest of the populist politicians to "Keep the People Down." It's the only way they can be the "saviors."

There are, and have always been, those whose 'victim' status is a way of life. No matter the color of the skin, or culture, or place of national origin. No matter if they've been unshackled or not. And as I mentioned previously, it's in their own best interest to do so, not necessarily in the interest of the citizen.

If you plot the history of government, any government, you expose the profile of a sociopath (google "sociopath profile"). And those under the auspices of a sociopath are commonly referred to as victims. Unfortunately, for the most part, they become willing victims.

To get this, you must do that. And when enough people want one thing or the other, well, they got you by the balls (or snatch as the case may be). For at that time they, the government, will have total control over every meaningful aspect of your life. Oh, they'll let you fuck whoever you want, but who cares? That's something you could always do. And if you drop a kid? Well, just another taxpayer or fodder for their wars, or captive voter dependent on questionable largess (ask the Indians about that).

You are only a victim if you WANT to be a victim. Really doesn't matter if you're being raped by the dude in the ski mask or the government. (Although the government makes it seem so much more like consensual sex. But rape is rape, no matter how smooth the operators.)

Ishmael

Very few seem to see that the country and the government are NOT the same thing. The country is what we are proud of, and what the Constitution was created to protect. The government is supposed to be the servant of the people of the country, and to service the countries needs. The present government does not serve the country, but insists now that the country serve the government. This is exactly why we have a Constitution, and the reason we have the right to end this government.

 

[mercury14]

Very few seem to see that the country and the government are NOT the same thing. The country is what we are proud of, and what the Constitution was created to protect. The government is supposed to be the servant of the people of the country, and to service the countries needs. The present government does not serve the country, but insists now that the country serve the government. This is exactly why we have a Constitution, and the reason we have the right to end this government.

End this government and replace it with what?

 

[miles]

Business are the ones who consistently ask for more government.

Yeah...they ask to be left alone.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Yeah...they ask to be left alone.

No. Individual people ask to be left alone. Businesses call for more & more regulation.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

No. Individual people ask to be left alone. Businesses call for more & more regulation.

I would be interested in seeing your proof for this assertion.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I would be interested in seeing your proof for this assertion.

Las Vegas, on insistence from restaurant owners just put regulations in place on food trucks.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Las Vegas, on insistence from restaurant owners just put regulations in place on food trucks.

Nice local story.

Link? I need to make sure it wasn't the Union making the call.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Nice local story.

Link? I need to make sure it wasn't the Union making the call.

Local?

http://www.lvrj.com/news/city-panel...etween-food-trucks-restaurants-164503096.html

 

[Liar]

Very few seem to see that the country and the government are NOT the same thing. The country is what we are proud of, and what the Constitution was created to protect. The government is supposed to be the servant of the people of the country, and to service the countries needs. The present government does not serve the country, but insists now that the country serve the government. This is exactly why we have a Constitution, and the reason we have the right to end this government.

Yes you do. You also have the right to punch yourself in the balls.

Does that make it a good idea?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Local?

http://www.lvrj.com/news/city-panel...etween-food-trucks-restaurants-164503096.html

Yes, it is a local issue.

It's also stupid.

Now scale it up and show us how business goes to Congress for regulation. I submit that business goes to Congress to moderate the brunt of regulation that is coming anyway from a state that is increasingly becoming comfortable with Fascism.

Note also that the article implies that this was a modification to an existing ordinance.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

YOU DIDNT BUILD THAT! will echo thru eternity....like ASK NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU, ASK WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY or THE ONLY THING WE HAVE TO FEAR IS FEAR ITSELF! or THE BUCK STOPS HERE!

 

[Liar]

YOU DIDNT BUILD THAT! will echo thru eternity....like ASK NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU, ASK WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY or THE ONLY THING WE HAVE TO FEAR IS FEAR ITSELF! or THE BUCK STOPS HERE!

Nah. It will echo thru the echo chamber until the next poutrage take it's place.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Yes, it is a local issue.

It's also stupid.

Now scale it up and show us how business goes to Congress for regulation. I submit that business goes to Congress to moderate the brunt of regulation that is coming anyway from a state that is increasingly becoming comfortable with Fascism.

Note also that the article implies that this was a modification to an existing ordinance.

So since you're not able to refute my Point you bring in a bunch of unrelated things. What does it matter if it was a city, county or state issue? A business called for more regulation just as I said they did.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

So since you're not able to refute my Point you bring in a bunch of unrelated things. What does it matter if it was a city, county or state issue? A business called for more regulation just as I said they did.

I know. But do you think that one single instance a truism makes?

Furthermore, as I pointed out, you have not proved that they called for the original ordinance instead of advocating for a particular change in the ordinance. I think you need to do some more research on your example that conclusively proves that it was a new regulation specifically demanded by business. Personally, I think there's a reason all the restaurants tend to come together in the same locations...

 

[mercury14]

So since you're not able to refute my Point you bring in a bunch of unrelated things.

He's doing this across multiple threads today. I mean he always does it but today is special "bring in unrelated crap" day for him.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

He's doing this across multiple threads today. I mean he always does it but today is special "bring in unrelated crap" day for him.

Actually, I read the proof of his contention and brought in some inconvenient facts which were contained in it.

Are you off your meds today, or did I really piss you off by pointing out the shaky underpinnings of your triumphal KILL ROMNEY thread?

You're pretty much turning into the liberal equivalent of busybody. Half-way to Throb...

 

[RobDownSouth]

Actually, I read the proof of his contention and brought in some inconvenient facts which were contained in it.

Are you off your meds today, or did I really piss you off by pointing out the shaky underpinnings of your triumphal KILL ROMNEY thread?

You're pretty much turning into the liberal equivalent of busybody. Half-way to Throb...

Would you like some cheese with your whine, Chief?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Additionally he has failed to prove in any way shape or form that his truism is even normative for business and government.

When Government gets so powerful that its purchase price is cost effective, even imperative, to business, then business will purchase government indulgences.
A_J, the Stupid

 

[mercury14]

Are you off your meds today, or did I really piss you off by pointing out the shaky underpinnings of your triumphal KILL ROMNEY thread?

You're pretty much turning into the liberal equivalent of busybody. Half-way to Throb...

Your ideas on the Romney tax thread were mostly irrelevant to the thread. And they were thoroughly disproved when you consider the range of models they used included some miles to the left of what Romney would ever implement.

The fact is Romney's tax plan is a turd on the middle class just like Cain's comical 999 plan.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Your ideas on the Romney tax thread were mostly irrelevant to the thread. And they were thoroughly disproved when you consider the range of models they used included some miles to the left of what Romney would ever implement.

The fact is Romney's tax plan is a turd on the middle class just like Cain's comical 999 plan.

You didnt write THAT, youre not hardworking or smart, someone else did it. Dedicated and tireless union government workers created English, and dictionaries, and grammar, and the schools you attended. Government put all those ideas in your head, you didnt think any of it. Obama says you nuthin but a tax paying peasant parrot.