Paul " Punky " Krugman / 9-11 editorial

[Powertone]

Specifically?


2. Not use rendition. It is a disgrace to our country that we even considered it, nevermind actually doing it.

...that started with Clinton who did nothing to kill bin Laden...he had 800M in jets to sell to the UAE after all

 

[Wok]

Rummy is not so pure after all.

 

[Powertone]

There's more than a grain of truth in your screed. People like you and the Vettebigot reflexively "hate" anyone you happen to disagree with, on "principle".

screed ?
take your 2nd sentence and apply it to yourself x10

 

[rustywilliams]

...that started with Clinton who did nothing to kill bin Laden...he had 800M in jets to sell to the UAE after all

Oh, I see.

Everything Bush did wrong was Clinton's fault.
Up to the point where it started to become Obama's fault.

 

[KRCummings]

I hate to agree with semen but the editorial was not only wrong but potentially offensive and he was a huge pussy for turning off comments. You don't get to call yourself a writer and refuse criticism. It doesn't work that way.

 

[Karen Kraft]

the best line of the op/ed is his last one.
may he be deluged with " hate " mail dumped on his office desk for a month in lieu of the comments he can't bear to see online---
" the conscience of a liberal " begins below :

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/11/the-years-of-shame/?smid=tw-NytimesKrugman&seid=auto

September 11, 2011, 8:41 am
The Years of Shame

Is it just me, or are the 9/11 commemorations oddly subdued?

Actually, I don’t think it’s me, and it’s not really that odd.

What happened after 9/11 — and I think even people on the right know this, whether they admit it or not — was deeply shameful. Te atrocity should have been a unifying event, but instead it became a wedge issue. Fake heroes like Bernie Kerik, Rudy Giuliani, and, yes, George W. Bush raced to cash in on the horror. And then the attack was used to justify an unrelated war the neocons wanted to fight, for all the wrong reasons.

A lot of other people behaved badly. How many of our professional pundits — people who should have understood very well what was happening — took the easy way out, turning a blind eye to the corruption and lending their support to the hijacking of the atrocity?

The memory of 9/11 has been irrevocably poisoned; it has become an occasion for shame. And in its heart, the nation knows it.

I’m not going to allow comments on this post, for obvious reasons.

Thus, the term "Pro-Terrorist Party."

The case is rested.

 

[1sickbastard]

We know that many liberal Americans hate the Patriot Act

There are quite a few conservative Americans that hate the Patriot Act as well. Hating the Patriot Act does not make one a liberal, a conservative, unpatriotic or even un-American.

 

[rustywilliams]

I hate to agree with semen but the editorial was not only wrong but potentially offensive and he was a huge pussy for turning off comments. You don't get to call yourself a writer and refuse criticism. It doesn't work that way.

Maybe you are right, but look at the nonsense comments you get all the time on the internet.
(See above)

 

[Wok]

I hate to agree with semen but the editorial was not only wrong but potentially offensive and he was a huge pussy for turning off comments. You don't get to call yourself a writer and refuse criticism. It doesn't work that way.

And as much as I disagreed with Bush, how did they profit from it? Was it the books or something?

 

[Disgustipated]

Consider the credentials of the author:

Professor of Economics and International Affairs at the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton University.

"Attack the source" and "guilt by association" in one sentence.

Nobody beats Miles in the Logical Fallacy Game. Nobody.

Where is Meemie?

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=38552517&postcount=34

A typical loonie deflection ... that's it?



The classic loonie debate:

• loonie gang bang
• fault the source
• point finger elsewhere
• namecalling
• insult integrity and intelligence
• answer a question with another question
• refuses to read info stating already knows what's in it
• Deflect, Deny, Divert
• BLAME BUSH!

It's a pattern easily recognizable, used in varying degrees, simultaneously and/or one jab at a time

 

[rustywilliams]

Where is Meemie?

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=38552517&postcount=34

A typical loonie deflection ... that's it?



The classic loonie debate:

• loonie gang bang
• fault the source
• point finger elsewhere
• namecalling
• insult integrity and intelligence
• answer a question with another question
• refuses to read info stating already knows what's in it
• Deflect, Deny, Divert
• BLAME BUSH!

It's a pattern easily recognizable, used in varying degrees, simultaneously and/or one jab at a time

OK
Let me get this straight.
You can see that someone is a loonie, because they call others names and insult them.

So, if you call someone a loonie, you must be a loonie.

 

[Powertone]

Oh, I see.

Everything Bush did wrong was Clinton's fault.
Up to the point where it started to become Obama's fault.

I watched Michael Scheuer , former CIA head of the bin Laden / terrorism division , say on CSPAN last Friday that Clinton started " rendition " but everyone hung that on Bush eschewing any criticism on Clinton . He went on to say that Clinton had a window of opportunity for 30 days straight to whack OBL but was worried about taking out a " prince " and didn't want to get his hands bloody thereby tarnishing his image around the world . He had a deal with the UAE to sell jet aircraft to them and didn't want to jeopardize it by collaterally killing one of a few thousand princes strolling in the desert sand .

It was refreshing to hear someone other than a talk show host on right wing radio tear into our former guilty of dereliction of duty President , Bill Clinton , for not doing his job .

 

[RobDownSouth]

And as much as I disagreed with Bush, how did they profit from it? Was it the books or something?

In the end, their plans didn't work.

The initial goals of the failed neocon plan were two-fold:

1. Install a friendly government (led by Chalabi) that would allow western control over Iraq oil, thereby gaining substantial political influence over the majority of Western Europe, which was the biggest customer of Iraq oil.

2. Install a forward staging area for American forces, to reduce reaction time for American military adventurism in the Middle East (and also calming tensions in Saudi Arabia, which was chafing about the American air base there).

By all measurements, the neocons failed.

 

[rustywilliams]

I watched Michael Scheuer , former CIA head of the bin Laden / terrorism division , say on CSPAN last Friday that Clinton started " rendition " but everyone hung that on Bush eschewing any criticism on Clinton . He went on to say that Clinton had a window of opportunity for 30 days straight to whack OBL but was worried about taking out a " prince " and didn't want to get his hands bloody thereby tarnishing his image around the world . He had a deal with the UAE to sell jet aircraft to them and didn't want to jeopardize it by collaterally killing one of a few thousand princes strolling in the desert sand .

It was refreshing to hear someone other than a talk show host on right wing radio tear into our former guilty of dereliction of duty President , Bill Clinton , for not doing his job .

If rendition was a policy authorized by Clinton, then he is guilty too.

Whether of not Clinton should have got Bin laden at the time is easy to decide in hindsight.

Still, my you won't acknowledge how everything Bush did wrong is blamed on Clinton, but all the current mess is on Obama's fault, nothing to do with Bush.

 

[Powertone]

Still, my you won't acknowledge how everything Bush did wrong is blamed on Clinton, but all the current mess is on Obama's fault, nothing to do with Bush.

Clinton gets no blame for any perceived wrongs committed by Bush . WTF are you talking about ? Bush got hammered for " ignoring " the PDB about possible attacks by al Qaida using airplanes and for listening to little kids read a book aloud to him for 7 minutes .

Clinton's a rock star on the world stage for life .
Meanwhile , Monica is society's scourge according an article on Drudge last week.
Look for her suicide down the road...Clinton will catch no flak for it ... their dalliances were between two adults he being decades older than her in that department is what media will have to say about it . How Monica had always been a depressed person . It was in the cards for her all along to down a bottle pills with a bottle of champagne .

 

[Wok]

Monica is a right wing hero now?

 

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[Sonny Limatina]

I've taken notice that most of what Rob detests in the world are but mere reflections of his own character, a sort of self loathing.

The layers of irony in this are funny.

 

[koalabear]

I've taken notice that most of what Rob detests in the world are but mere reflections of his own character, a sort of self loathing.

Maybe he can split counseling costs with UD.

 

[Karen Kraft]

I've taken notice that most of what Rob detests in the world are but mere reflections of his own character, a sort of self loathing.

Yak smegma.
That's all that Rob is.

 

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[Sonny Limatina]

Only in your defective mind son.

True, but only because you think 'irony' is a multivitamin.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The layers of irony in this are funny.

Very true: most of the self-loathing here is the over-60 conservative loser coaltion...standin' up straight and tall for "small govenment" out of one side of their mouths....while simultaneously takin' those social security checks, medicare checks and medicaid checks....

(that's.....that's.......DIFFERENT!)