BDSM and Writing: Fantasy Stories

[Guest]

Hi there. How do you, as a reader or writer, feel about BDSM stories that take place in settings where there's some element of fantasy to the characters? Ie., enhanced senses, telepathy, ect? Does the fact that character A wouldn't have to safeword because character B knows what he or she's thinking turn you on, or ruin the scene for you? Why?

 

[HottieMama]

I might be the odd duck here, but I prefer my BDSM stories to be as realistic as possible. That includes setting, characters, appearance, mannerisms, types of play, etc...etc... Safeword or not, doesn't necessarily matter to me one way or the other, it is the realism of getting to that point that matters.

My one exception is vampire erotica. I know those are largely fantasy but the biting and blood get me every damn time...

 

[Stella_Omega]

if what you are talking about here is "it isn't really rape because I can read her mind and she secretly wants it" I do not think I would be real happy about it. it's the same old lie that rapists have used forever.

If what you mean is "we are so very attuned to each other that her verbal agreement is true and deep and I can tell because I can read her mind" then I think-- you've got something good.

 

[Lilac_Sky]

I might be the odd duck here, but I prefer my BDSM stories to be as realistic as possible. That includes setting, characters, appearance, mannerisms, types of play, etc...etc... Safeword or not, doesn't necessarily matter to me one way or the other, it is the realism of getting to that point that matters.

My one exception is vampire erotica. I know those are largely fantasy but the biting and blood get me every damn time...

if what you are talking about here is "it isn't really rape because I can read her mind and she secretly wants it" I do not think I would be real happy about it. it's the same old lie that rapists have used forever.

If what you mean is "we are so very attuned to each other that her verbal agreement is true and deep and I can tell because I can read her mind" then I think-- you've got something good.

*nods* What they said!

 

[Noira]

Personally, I love fantasy. The good epic stuff, none of this Twilight trash (SORRY, I know there are a ton of subbie people who love it! But I do not, and it's inevitably going to come up in a discussion of fantasy novels containing BDSM elements) or lazy cop-out excuse for rape concepts (as mentioned above), or the typical fantasy contained on Lit.

No, no; real, good epic fantasy, of the ilk of Tolkien (just please don't write like you're Tolkien because I assure you, you cannot pull it off, be yourself), the long epics that create true worlds around the characters and suck you in and make you forget for a moment that there even IS an Earth with its mundane cycles...

Yeah, now, if someone could combine excellent fantasy (or science fiction too) worldbuilding with BDSM, I would have such a lady-boner. Create me cultures, races, languages, religions, gods and avatars, create me warriors and wizards and ladies in disguise... and contain in it an excellent twist on the traditional BDSM erotica, I would be all over it. My first love is worldbuilding, none of these fast-paced quick-to-the-fap-and-then-it's-over concepts. I do a great deal of writing that doesn't make it on Literotica (because the audience likely wouldn't appreciate the vast epic backdrops), and one of my character pairs happens to be a rather BDSM slanted couple who live in a magic world, and practice a form of reality enhancing dream magic. This of course means that props can be all in their minds, and scenes can involve an interesting amount of reality-shifting and indefined reality.

I very much enjoy the "you're imagining your own bondage" concept; that settings can be only illusions, and it adds a new depth to the concept of a mind-fuck.

She (argh, heteronormativity) still uses a safeword, though, because I don't like writing the telepathic bond thing, I did too much of that when I wrote Star Wars fanfiction. D:

Now, I don't think I'd mind some stories using 'they don't need a safeword because they're telepaths', in the context of a deep bond forged through a world where you literally can hand your soul over to someone, blah blah fantasy blah. But if it got to the point where a safeword was needed, I would like to see the story explore it from that point of view (sensed the overload in the submissive's mind, the jolt of fear running through like a knife and dissolving any arousal, etc), so that there is still that 'safeword', it's just approached from the telepathic point of view.

So, long story short, yes, I do like stories where there's an element of fantasy to the characters, but I prefer it to be a more original approach to fantasy than just a writer's excuse to not use a condom, as it were. Show me the consequences of the personification of Time having sex with a demon that causes chaos, not another story about a succubus or a vampire and a human.

 

[KoPilot]

I like D/s with giants and aliens.

:B

I just like it when the D-types body is a physical extension of what their proclivities are. Bonus points when they use it to their advantage.

 

[BiBunny]

I think a story WITH a safeword would be a massive turn-off.

 

[ouchfeelsgood]

I think a story WITH a safeword would be a massive turn-off.

I agree with BiBunny. While safewords are necessary if you practice BDSM with people you don't know well; I do enjoy fantasies and stories with no safeword -- it adds an exciting edge.

 

[JustaSCOUNDREL]

if what you are talking about here is "it isn't really rape because I can read her mind and she secretly wants it" I do not think I would be real happy about it. it's the same old lie that rapists have used forever.

If what you mean is "we are so very attuned to each other that her verbal agreement is true and deep and I can tell because I can read her mind" then I think-- you've got something good.

Jeez Stella where in the hell did rape come into the question? O/P said BDSM and nothing else other then one knowing what the other was thinking.

Take a deep breath and relax.

Mike

 

[JustaSCOUNDREL]

For the O/P Yes. Way to many subs think their Doms should be able to read their minds as to what they want, need, and desire. Many are embarrassed to admit their deepest needs thus the Dom has to guess to some extent.

Once you have been with a sub for a while we understand what the sub reacts to and how she reacts. So we can make some make some reasonably intelligence decisions about how we play with her. I have been told by several subs I can read their minds. Still it is all just guess work on my part.

I always wonder what else she would like and/or would like to try.

So being able to read her mind would be a real turn on for me.

So from my point of view go for it.

Mike

 

[switchbitch]

there were a range of books brought out by Playboy press in the 1970s and 80s called the spaceways series, they were science-fiction and heavily into BDSM, I love them so much. Every world that they explored dealt with different areas of bondage and discipline, domination and submission, sadism and masochism. There were aliens of every variety with every possible talent or bent you could imagine and I thoroughly enjoyed them space pirates with six-foot tongues,cuddly bear like creatures that could read your mind as soon as they hugged you,mutants who could fly and indulged in gravity free BDSM, warrior races that enslaved their enemies with mind blowing sex so they lost all desire to fight (both male and female)they fuelled my fantasies for years and on occasions still do.

 

[Guest]

@Stella: Rape or non-con of any sort doesn't really turn my crank. The worlds I write in, add onto, and occasionally build (on other websites; as was previously stated, that's not the focus of most readers here on lit)simply allow for things like telepathy and whatnot.

The series I'm currently working on for over here utilizes that element quite a bit. Character A has enhanced hearing; he overhears a screaming fight between character B and his soon to be ex-lady friend who starts calling him out for various sexual misdeeds. I was simply posing the question of rather that degree of intimate knowledge would be a turn on or turn off for the majority of readers.

So yeah...more along the lines of, "I can hear the slightest change in your respiration and heart rate, and I already know what sort of things you like" than an excuse to abuse somebody.

I like my characters. I couldn't hurt them like that. Unless it was a previously discussed scene...in that sense, I prefer my kink slightly more realistic.

Thanks everybody for your input.

 

[Dazzle1]

I like both, my next story is going to have some of those aspects.

 

[Primalex]

Hi there. How do you, as a reader or writer, feel about BDSM stories

I hate them.

All.

 

[Guest]

And I hate you, but you don't see me wasting time in other peoples' threads to talk about it. Piss off.

 

[Primalex]

And I hate you, but you don't see me wasting time in other peoples' threads to talk about it. Piss off.

Because I don't ask people what they think about me. You ask the people what they think about your (future) stories.

Granted, it takes some logic thinking to figure this difference out and hardcore story writers are so wrapped up in their world that it's difficult to still think straight. But I believe in you and hope that you still can escape from this evil grasp.

I know you can do it!

 

[Guest]

Nobody asked you for your personal opinion about a group of stories you don't even like.

What the fuck is wrong with you? You're posting completely off topic to the thread, and now you're just baiting people. Go away.

 

[Primalex]

Nobody asked you for your personal opinion about a group of stories you don't even like.

Not?

Doh.

Hm.

*ponders*

Is writing my opinion now more or less fun for me?

*ponders*

MORE!

Thank you!

 

[Guest]

What the fuck is wrong with you? Go away.

 

[Primalex]

What the fuck is wrong with you? Go away.

Would you mind to decide whether you want to insult me here, with pm's or via yahoo? It gets difficult to keep track of your messages.

And no, I don't go away. Why don't you go away?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Nobody asked you for your personal opinion about a group of stories you don't even like.

What the fuck is wrong with you? You're posting completely off topic to the thread, and now you're just baiting people. Go away.

don't feed the troll, darling, this is how he gets off-- nonconsensual internet role play, where he pretends you know each other.

 

[Primalex]

don't feed the troll, darling, this is how he gets off

No, I get off while slapping sissy boys.

 

[CandiCame]

there were a range of books brought out by Playboy press in the 1970s and 80s called the spaceways series, they were science-fiction and heavily into BDSM, I love them so much. Every world that they explored dealt with different areas of bondage and discipline, domination and submission, sadism and masochism. There were aliens of every variety with every possible talent or bent you could imagine and I thoroughly enjoyed them space pirates with six-foot tongues,cuddly bear like creatures that could read your mind as soon as they hugged you,mutants who could fly and indulged in gravity free BDSM, warrior races that enslaved their enemies with mind blowing sex so they lost all desire to fight (both male and female)they fuelled my fantasies for years and on occasions still do.

I'd like to read those!

Personally, I like bdsm fantasy- that's kinda what my stories are about- plus fantasy worlds are a great place to try out things that you could never do in RL! You can push your limits until your brain breaks!

 

[switchbitch]

I'd like to read those!

Personally, I like bdsm fantasy- that's kinda what my stories are about- plus fantasy worlds are a great place to try out things that you could never do in RL! You can push your limits until your brain breaks!

indeed those robo-monsters with the endless array of attatchments that never get tired or run out of permutations for pleasure and pain! Oh my my!

 

[switchbitch]

I'd like to read those!

Personally, I like bdsm fantasy- that's kinda what my stories are about- plus fantasy worlds are a great place to try out things that you could never do in RL! You can push your limits until your brain breaks!

http://www.fictiondb.com/author/john-cleve~series~spaceways-series~8305.htm
This link as part of the series if you're interested. Some of them were not written by John Cleve but in conjunction with other authors and I believe the highest number my collection goes to is volume 58.