NRA and Florida gag pediatricians: no more firearm safety advice for parents

[Ishmael]

Perhaps these doctors are unsatisfied with being below accidental firearms injuries (1.1%) vs bad medical practice (1%).

And for CoastalBoy, accidental deaths of children due to firearms is about 1 per week, not one per day.

Another hand wringing thread about not much of anything at all brought to you by those whose lives are so empty that they have to stick their nose in everybody else's business.

Ishmael

 

[Ham Murabi]

the data I've seen has been fairly consistent for many years now...and is the same whether the child lives in an urban setting or rural. Roughly, one child dies every single day from an accidental gunshot (defined as a child playing with a gun and killing themself). That is sad.

You know, when I make up shit and post it on Lit, I leave a few subtle hints so people will catch on. But you're just throwing this out there and acting like it's the truth.
You certainly haven't seen any "data" showing a child dies every single day from an accidental gunshot in the U.S.

 

[richard_daily]

Another hand wringing thread about not much of anything at all brought to you by those whose lives are so empty that they have to stick their nose in everybody else's business.

Ishmael

An admission of guilt... from you?

I never thought I'd see the day.

Perhaps you'll grow up to be a man after all.

 

[Ishmael]

You know, when I make up shit and post it on Lit, I leave a few subtle hints so people will catch on. But you're just throwing this out there and acting like it's the truth.
You certainly haven't seen any "data" showing a child dies every single day from an accidental gunshot in the U.S.

Of course he hasn't, it doesn't exist.

Ishmael

 

[Byron In Exile]

And for CoastalBoy, accidental deaths of children due to firearms is about 1 per week, not one per day.

Oh hell, another false alarm.

Looks like the greater threat is bees after all.

 

[TheLM]

based on thi link, you'd think those in favor of Docs discussing gun safety would also be in favor of discussing safety for all these potential causes of death that cause more deaths than guns:

Cause deaths %
Unintentional Injury 1176 38.97%
* Mohor Vehicle Traffic 621 20.58%
* Drowning 159 5.27%
* Fire/burn 153 5.07%
* Suffocation 40 1.33%
* Other Land Transport 33 1.09%
* Pedestrian, Other 27 0.89%
* Struck by or Against 20 0.66%
* Unspecified 20 0.66%
* Fall 18 0.60%
* Other Spec., classifiable 17 0.56%
* Poisoning 15 0.50%
* Firearm 14 0.46%
* Other Transport 12 0.40%
* Other Spec., NEC 8 0.27%
* Natural/ Environment 7 0.23%
* Machinery 6 0.20%
* Pedal cyclist, Other 4 0.13%
* Cut/pierce 2 0.07%



Oh wait, then the Docs won;t have time to do Doctoring.

What's this? FACTS? THIS IS A POLITICAL DEBATE. Facts have no place here!

Please leave them by the door along with all intelligence, morals and....firearms.

 

[bronzeage]

So you're saying Americans liked their guns more than they liked their boats?

Is there any other possible conclusion?

On the other hand, all the guns in North America could not have gotten Washington across the Delaware River.

Since the latest information shows drowned children in second place and shot children in 12th place on the list, it's surprising we don't have more affection for boats than we do.

 

[blunt_trauma]

is the issue here really how dangerous guns are?

this isn't a case of patient confidentiality.
why would the law want to criminalise,
'that's a cool toy! but you know you must never touch real guns without your mom & dad there saying it's ok to, right?'
is that what the society needs laws for?
seriously?
that's just weird!

 

[Byron In Exile]

is the issue here really how dangerous guns are?

this isn't a case of patient confidentiality.
why would the law want to criminalise,
'that's a cool toy! but you know you must never touch real guns without your mom & dad there saying it's ok to, right?'
is that what the society needs laws for?
seriously?
that's just weird!

It's because there are higher priorities in terms of safety.

Like bees, spiders, and lightning.

 

[bronzeage]

is the issue here really how dangerous guns are?

this isn't a case of patient confidentiality.
why would the law want to criminalise,
'that's a cool toy! but you know you must never touch real guns without your mom & dad there saying it's ok to, right?'
is that what the society needs laws for?
seriously?
that's just weird!

Guns are not dangerous. Children with guns are dangerous.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Guns are not dangerous. Children with guns are dangerous.

Children with bees are more dangerous.

 

[bronzeage]

Children with bees are more dangerous.

The connection between bees and children is purely speculative.

http://morethanafeelingmusic.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/blind-melon.jpg

 

[Byron In Exile]

The connection between bees and children is purely speculative.

You've obviously never seen a kid throw a brick at a beehive.

 

[bronzeage]

You've obviously never seen a kid throw a brick at a beehive.

Plenty of times. Why?

 

[Byron In Exile]

Plenty of times. Why?

Then the connection is less than speculative.

 

[SweetErika]

My son's pediatrician has asked a variety of questions that pertain to the safety of our child. He's asked who the primary caregiver(s) are, how we're dealing with being new parents, if things were going OK in my marriage, household toxins, and, yes, about firearms and other weapons. On the weapons question, we just said we had them, but they're completely inaccessible to the munchkin. If we had said anything that sent up a red flag, I'm confident the doctor would have educated us and handed out resources.

I don't feel these questions were an invasion of our privacy or asked with an ulterior motive at all. The fact is, there are a lot of stupid parents out there who are doing shit like exposing their kids to domestic abuse, poisons and weapons. Some of these people are going to think, 'Oh yeah, I do have a gun under the bed, and my kid might play with it,' when they're asked about weapons in the home. And maybe, just maybe, they'll put that gun in a safer place due to the doctor's reminder/education.

 

[Byron In Exile]

My son's pediatrician has asked a variety of questions that pertain to the safety of our child. He's asked who the primary caregiver(s) are, how we're dealing with being new parents, if things were going OK in my marriage, household toxins, and, yes, about firearms and other weapons. On the weapons question, we just said we had them, but they're completely inaccessible to the munchkin. If we had said anything that sent up a red flag, I'm confident the doctor would have educated us and handed out resources.

I don't feel these questions were an invasion of our privacy or asked with an ulterior motive at all. The fact is, there are a lot of stupid parents out there who are doing shit like exposing their kids to domestic abuse, poisons and weapons. Some of these people are going to think, 'Oh yeah, I do have a gun under the bed, and my kid might play with it,' when they're asked about weapons in the home. And maybe, just maybe, they'll put that gun in a safer place due to the doctor's reminder/education.

Did he ask about bees, spiders, snakes, or whether your house had a proper lightning rod attached?

 

[unregistered]

 

[Byron In Exile]

In a nation of 300 plus million, it's a very minor issue. As I stated, doctors themselves are a bigger threat.

To describe an issue that impacts 0.000016% of the population as "very minor" is still giving it about 10,000 times more credit than it warrants.

One would think that with over 1,700,000 people dying every year from disease, doctors might be more concerned with their failures in their own specialty, rather than further reaming their patients by charging them $500 an hour to listen to safety tips for morons.

 

[fair_warning]

Perhaps these doctors are unsatisfied with being below accidental firearms injuries (1.1%) vs bad medical practice (1%).

And for CoastalBoy, accidental deaths of children due to firearms is about 1 per week, not one per day.

Another hand wringing thread about not much of anything at all brought to you by those whose lives are so empty that they have to stick their nose in everybody else's business.

Ishmael

One 'accidental' death per week is still a tragedy. However, at what age is a child a young adult?

Examining some statistics immediately tells me that 'accidental' death in up to 14 year olds is only about a sixth of all deaths by firearms in this age group.

So, what makes up the several hundred other firearm deaths? Suicides? gang related violence? But more importantly, should any child 14 years or under have access to a firearm?

There is an odd irony in how ferociously some people defend the constitutional right to bear arms but reject the right of others to question the way in which this right might be administered for the safety of juveniles.

 

[Byron In Exile]

But more importantly, should any child 14 years or under have access to a firearm?

I did.

Guess I passed the Darwin test.

 

[vrosej10]

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I'll never understand the obsession with guns and frankly smart doctors would be recommending people not keep them at all. The NRA makes just as much sense as Chuck Norris.

 

[blunt_trauma]

a bit of googling tells me that some anti-gun docs have been denying care to the kids of parents refusing to answer prolonged, detailed and intrusive questioning about their gun ownership.

those docs should be struck off, obviously. they're crossing the line and they obviously think themselves godlike in their know-it-all wisdom.

this law sounds like a sledgehammer to crack a walnut though.

telling parents to keep guns away from kids is on a par with telling them to keep bleack away from kids. it's common sense advise for those who might lack common sense of their own.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Around here pool drowning is the #1 killer of kids.Fat broads falling asleep atop babies is #2. And MD malpractice is #3.

 

[Liar]

this law sounds like a sledgehammer to crack a walnut though.

telling parents to keep guns away from kids is on a par with telling them to keep bleack away from kids. it's common sense advise for those who might lack common sense of their own.

Agreed. I don't see the rational reason for banning a doctor from giving any advice that is either based on medical expertise or plain common sense.

"Remember parents, don't drop your kid on the head too often."

If they think there's a 2nd Amendment problem here, they should ban doctors from taking action based on the replies they get when they ask about guns. Banning them from giving advice or even banning them from expressing a personal opinion? That's nuts.

Maybe if the doctors were Government employees, that would be something that could be put in their employment contracts. But Florida doesn't have that level of Socialist health care, do they?

Someone compared this to the ultasound law. This is an exaggerated and overreaching law, but nowhere near as ridiculous as that one, which forces doctors to give a medically unnessecary procedure and read a medically inaccurate statement to their patients in order to persuade them to not have an abortion.