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Peregrinator

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An NRA-lobbied bill in Florida will prohibit doctors, especially pediatricians, from asking patients about their gun-safety. The bill is expected to be signed by Governor Rick Scott. Pediatricians routinely advise parents about seatbelts, bike helmets, etc, but this law will make it illegal for a doctor to offer advice on gun safety unless "it's directly relevant to the patient's care or the safety of others." Comparable legislation is under discussion in North Carolina and Alabama.
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I always found it a bit awkward. It's not like I asked the doc if he kept controlled substances at home. Besides, my doc doesn't know squat about guns.
 
notbert said:
I always found it a bit awkward. It's not like I asked the doc if he kept controlled substances at home. Besides, my doc doesn't know squat about guns.
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I'm sort of of four minds about it. Do we need a law governing what a doc can and can't talk to patients about?

I say let the docs talk about whatever they want, and patients can ignore them in the time honored fashion.
 
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I'm a firm believer in letting doctors be doctors. Mine struggles with just doing that at times.

Besides, everyone lies anyway.
 
notbert said:
I'm a firm believer in letting doctors be doctors. Mine struggles with just doing that at times.

Besides, everyone lies anyway.
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With the push toward preventative medicine I think we see a lot of crossover into risk management, which is not the same thing at all.
 
Peregrinator said:
Ambivalent about the law or the NRA agenda?


They already know, Bert.
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Then they'll know when to dispatch the ambulance.

My Mom always said she would put me in a cotton lined box up on the shelf after hurting myself and that would keep me from hurting myself again.
Given the choice I made the deduction that shit is going to happen.

Mom was wise.
 
Here's the deal.

When doctor/patient problems arise the docs like to use whatever shit is handy to fling at the parent. Docs do it a lot, and they dont have a problem embellishing their information. So if a parent turns the doc in for something unethical or inappropriate the docs like to call the child abuse hotline and report that momma is an idgit...and has guns in the house, oh my!
 
Most doctors can pick up on the parent/kid dynamic. The see it all day long and again and again. Once they've asked the question, it's been asked. The process doesn't repeat every time you come back in.
 
Peregrinator said:
I'm sort of of four minds about it. Do we need a law governing what a doc can and can't talk to patients about?

I say let the docs talk about whatever they want, and patients can ignore them in the time honored fashion.
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Peregrinator said:
With the push toward preventative medicine I think we see a lot of crossover into risk management, which is not the same thing at all.
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I agree.

Doctors are supposed to be nosy and lecture us about dangerous, unhealthy things.

What concerns me is that doctors also have law enforcement and social welfare agencies on speed dial, and they use those numbers when they think little Johnny is being abused at home, or at risk of abuse. Suppose some doctor, whose politics lean towards abolishing the right to private gun ownership, thinks that anything less than firearms secured in a hidden safe without ammunition amounts to criminally neglecting the welfare of a child? It's a very subjective thing. Mr. and Mrs. "Our handgun is boxed up in our bedroom closet on a high shelf with the ammo hidden separately in a can of foot powder" could find some busybody social worker removing their tot on the grounds of suspicion of child endangerment.

I'd like to think people have more common sense, but social welfare agencies are notorious for using actions like that to create social precedents according to their own ideology.

At the same time, doctors should be allowed to discuss whatever the hell they want with their patients.

(As an aside... doctors are legally gagged about other things, such as contacting the parents of minors who are seeking birth control, abortions, or a rape kit procedure.)

I can understand why the law was drafted, but it sucks that it was. Right and left, people are throwing away freedom like it's going out of style, and almost always as a knee-jerk reaction to some temporary situation that's not likely to become widespread.

Humbug from Hamburg,
Ellie
 
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JAMESBJOHNSON said:
Here's the deal.

When doctor/patient problems arise the docs like to use whatever shit is handy to fling at the parent. Docs do it a lot, and they dont have a problem embellishing their information. So if a parent turns the doc in for something unethical or inappropriate the docs like to call the child abuse hotline and report that momma is an idgit...and has guns in the house, oh my!
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oh please! This post can't possibly serious; or is it?
 
Where are the hordes of righties screaming about infringements of the first amendment?
 
I suspect that the NRA's thinking is that there is a Federal database out there for medical records that would somehow flag a gun-owning household and link it another database kept by FBI or BATFE or whomever so that Big Brother knows where the guns are when the Day of Confiscation comes. So, this rule would put a roadblock up to prevent it.

I know they're nervous about whether or not FBI destroys background check records like they are supposed to.

The more you look for bogeymen, the more you are likely to find.
 
Between that and the ultrasound bill, politicians in Florida sure like telling doctors how to practice medicine.

I guess government interference in healthcare is only bad when it's... y'know... helping people. :rolleyes:
 
doctor_insanus said:
Between that and the ultrasound bill, politicians in Florida sure like telling doctors how to practice medicine.

I guess government interference in healthcare is only bad when it's... y'know... helping people. :rolleyes:
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What does medicine have to do with firearm safety, really? Why is that an MD's job?

I was trained to teach my peds pts about crosswalk safety and other silly garbage... Imagine doing that in front of a parent. It's basically telling the parent that the are unfit to give their child proper training in even basic tasks, and that they need to rely on some form of authority to handle EVERY aspect of raising their child for them.

Even things like crossing a street.
 
SeanH said:
Where are the hordes of righties screaming about infringements of the first amendment?
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Weren't you just insisting the other day that you don't pay attention American politics?

Oh, wait. Never mind. I forgot for a moment that you never get sick of making as ass out of yourself.

Unimpressed in Uzbekistan,
Ellie
 
NRA, America's oldest and most trusted civil rights organization.:cool:
 
Peregrinator said:
I'm sort of of four minds about it. Do we need a law governing what a doc can and can't talk to patients about?

I say let the docs talk about whatever they want, and patients can ignore them in the time honored fashion.
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What people don't see in this is the secret coalition between the NRA and the NFDA (National Funeral Directors Association).

Gun accidents in the home which involve children tend to be fatal. Except for the coroner, doctors are pretty much cut out of the deal. The pediatrician can count on at least one office visit a year until the patient is 18, so it's in his economic interest to keep the child alive.

The funeral director has a direct financial interest in fatal home accidents. Child funerals are very lucrative. Grieving parents buy the most expensive coffin and all other services, including the deluxe embalming, guaranteed to keep their child in pristine condition for fifty years. This is very important in the event the body must be exhumed because questions arise about the nature of the shooting.
 
bronzeage said:
What people don't see in this is the secret coalition between the NRA and the NFDA (National Funeral Directors Association).

Gun accidents in the home which involve children tend to be fatal. Except for the coroner, doctors are pretty much cut out of the deal. The pediatrician can count on at least one office visit a year until the patient is 18, so it's in his economic interest to keep the child alive.

The funeral director has a direct financial interest in fatal home accidents. Child funerals are very lucrative. Grieving parents buy the most expensive coffin and all other services, including the deluxe embalming, guaranteed to keep their child in pristine condition for fifty years. This is very important in the event the body must be exhumed because questions arise about the nature of the shooting.
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Damn, that's cold.

And creepy.

Thank you for that uplifting insight.

Demoralized in Denmark,
Ellie
 
Bidin~Time said:
oh please! This post can't possibly serious; or is it?
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Its true. I did my professional certification using a case where an MD retaliated against a mom for making a complaint to the hospital about the MDs negligence in the ER.

MDs kill lotsa children with erroneous diagnoses or via arrogance and insolence. When the child dies the MD often accuses the parents of medical neglect, failure to thrive, or anything that changes the focus of attention.
 
I would venture to guess more children die from drinking saniflush than gunshots.
Saniflush has only one use- to kill germs.
When saniflush is outlawed, only outlaws will have saniflush.

"Do you sir, keep saniflush in your home?"
 
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