Leave your homophobia at the door, thank you...

[Stella_Omega]

This forum was created because crossdressers, shemale fetishists, and straight men with cock fetishes needed a home.

Please do not expect them to move to GLBT, because they are not gay men, and, oddly enough, these fetishes are not GLBT concerns.

Just saying.

 

[Sonchyenne]

If such interests have to be labeled, aren't they more heteroflexible than anything else?

 

[Stella_Omega]

If such interests have to be labeled, aren't they more heteroflexible than anything else?

I think that's a fine label! I could label myself lesboflexible.

Lesbiflexible?

 

[bicuriouscd]

Thank You

Thank You Stella ,

I would also like to add that for some of us it is more of a life style choice than a fetish !
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[DarkBee]

I think that's a fine label! I could label myself lesboflexible.

Lesbiflexible?

Flexilesbi?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Thank You Stella ,

I would also like to add that for some of us it is more of a life style choice than a fetish !
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See--when it's really a question of your identity-- that's when it's more under the GLBT umbrella. A number of threads stayed in GLBT because that... thrust hehe, was really what the thread was mostly about.

Although I think that my own transgender issues are not the same as my sexual preferences. I would still prefer women to men, even if I were completely happy in the body I was born in.

But this damn society can't tell them apart. Anyone who doesn't happily conform to the cisgendered norm or the hetero norm is ooky queer.

Flexilesbi?

Ah, for those younger days... joints are starting to feel stiff on cold mornings. But I'm smarter now than then.

I hope.

 

[vrosej10]

See--when it's really a question of your identity-- that's when it's more under the GLBT umbrella. A number of threads stayed in GLBT because that... thrust hehe, was really what the thread was mostly about.

Although I think that my own transgender issues are not the same as my sexual preferences. I would still prefer women to men, even if I were completely happy in the body I was born in.

But this damn society can't tell them apart. Anyone who doesn't happily conform to the cisgendered norm or the hetero norm is ooky queer.


Ah, for those younger days... joints are starting to feel stiff on cold mornings. But I'm smarter now than then.

I hope.

I want to state first that I have no issues with these posters wherever they are here.

This issue is quite a complex one and has been the subject of considerable angst in other communities. Technically transgender issue belong to the GBLT rainbow but there are people who will say otherwise but there are also people who'd like to vote bisexuals out and others who think intersexed individuals should be included. Frankly don't think I or anyone else has the right to declare a particular group out. I think assuming the GBLT tag should be a personal decision. Otherwise I think the situation will degenerate pretty fast.

 

[twister947]

When labels are passed out, let someone else have mine, please.

 

[Kojote]

I think that's a fine label! I could label myself lesboflexible.

Lesbiflexible?

Lesboflexible. Please!
The other one sounds like ...

 

[Fuckette]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cgU-mc6Or50/SldAwAIOiFI/AAAAAAAAJBQ/6qCXGkEz0_o/s400/HOMOPHOBIA+SUCKS!.jpg

 

[korizon]

This forum was created because crossdressers, shemale fetishists, and straight men with cock fetishes needed a home.

Please do not expect them to move to GLBT, because they are not gay men, and, oddly enough, these fetishes are not GLBT concerns.

Just saying.

I'm in no way shape or form homophobic. However, I just feel that the "men who crave cock thread" fits better into the GLBT, as many others have mentioned.

Yes, at some point labeling things becomes very subjective. However, sitting around craving a cock in your mouth and ass while claiming you aren't at least bi-curious is a little bit disingenuous, IMHO.

 

[LTSPLAY]

This forum was created because crossdressers, shemale fetishists, and straight men with cock fetishes needed a home.

Please do not expect them to move to GLBT, because they are not gay men, and, oddly enough, these fetishes are not GLBT concerns.

Just saying.

I'm in no way shape or form homophobic. However, I just feel that the "men who crave cock thread" fits better into the GLBT, as many others have mentioned.

Maybe it should be back in GLBT right under these fetishes-
"Women watching bi men"
"Women who love to masturbate with other Women"
or the ever popular-
"Married Women Who Fantasize About Girls"

If you don't see the common denominator, I'll help. It's women.
Evidently these fetishes are OK.

If you notice the only ones who complain about the validity of content and location are the women.

Are they-
Are they envious of men?
Are they unsure of their sexuality?
Uncomfortable with their sexuality?
Are they being judgmental?
Are they just being territorial?
Do they just despise men?
Are they just intimidated by men?

After they determine the GLBT "concerns".
After they chase the topic off the GLBT, they even come onto the Fetish Lit. to make sure it's understood why the people they label "crossdressers, shemale fetishists, and straight men with cock fetishes" don't belong.

It's disappointing to see people want to force their opinion on people in an open forum, but sometimes it's like a train wreck. You have to watch to see what they'll say next.

Like if there is no one to force an opinion on, then create a thread in Fetish about your opinion.

With all that said, I think there is nothing wrong with having both Lits if it makes the women feel better, like they accomplished something, but did they?

 

[Stella_Omega]

You'll notice that there are plenty of bi-curious topics available on GLBT.

Some of bicurious threads are about curiosity-- they should stay. Some of them are about the fetish-- and this space is for the fetish. It's your space.

If you feel that any of those "women who..." threads are fetish and not GLBT, you are welcome to click the "report" link in any post, and say so. I have sent a number of women's threads here in fact.

And, if you really think disliking men but craving cock is legitimately bisexual, and not simply insulting to gay men-- you can do the same on this forum. You might be able to convince the mods of your point.

Stop whining! Be proactive! That's what makes thing happen!

 

[JMohegan]

I'm in no way shape or form homophobic. However, I just feel that the "men who crave cock thread" fits better into the GLBT, as many others have mentioned.

Yes, at some point labeling things becomes very subjective. However, sitting around craving a cock in your mouth and ass while claiming you aren't at least bi-curious is a little bit disingenuous, IMHO.

I agree completely with the assertion that guys who crave cock are not straight.

What I don't understand is why that means their threads should be moved to GLBT.

"Fetish Central is your place for discussing whatever turns you on."

That's what the welcome post says. Not just for discussing whatever turns straight people on. Whatever turns you on, period. Universal you, excluding pedophiles and bestiality fans only.

And, if you really think disliking men but craving cock is legitimately bisexual, and not simply insulting to gay men-- you can do the same on this forum.

It's tough to call something "legitimate" when there's so much denial involved, I'll grant you that. But calling those folks straight is just silly.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I agree completely with the assertion that guys who crave cock are not straight.

What I don't understand is why that means their threads should be moved to GLBT.

"Fetish Central is your place for discussing whatever turns you on."

That's what the welcome post says. Not just for discussing whatever turns straight people on. Whatever turns you on, period. Universal you, excluding pedophiles and bestiality fans only.

I might have said this before;

It's tough to call something "legitimate" when there's so much denial involved, I'll grant you that. But calling those folks straight is just silly.

Well,from your (straight) POV, possibly.
but from my POV-- they sure as hell are not gay! And other people agree with me. So why should their flavor of bisexuality be lumped in with gay folk? That's just insulting.

I often get a kick out the the heternormative insistence on calling the labels. The only thing that keeps so many GLBT types under one umbrella is that hets don't want them around.

 

[JMohegan]

I might have said this before; Well,from your (straight) POV, possibly.
but from my POV-- they sure as hell are not gay! And other people agree with me. So why should their flavor of bisexuality be lumped in with gay folk? That's just insulting.

I often get a kick out the the heternormative insistence on calling the labels. The only thing that keeps so many GLBT types under one umbrella is that hets don't want them around.

They don't sound gay to me, either. A guy who gets off fucking his wife, and also gets off sucking cock, seems neither straight nor gay, but something else entirely. Which is fine. We don't just have red and yellow; there's nothing wrong with myriad shades of orange.

What's interesting to me is that they talk about other males in the same way I talked about females when I was in high school. Explicitly denouncing any interest in personality, rejecting emotional connection, craving body parts only.

 

[blade_rocknut]

I agree completely with the assertion that guys who crave cock are not straight.



It's tough to call something "legitimate" when there's so much denial involved, I'll grant you that. But calling those folks straight is just silly.

How 'bout we just don't CALL them anything. Legitimacy is easy to question when you're not the one affected by confusion and / or guilt.

(spoken from a married, closeted crossdresser point of view; but I'm sure the confusion and guilt thing applies to others with inexplicable, non-mainstream interests)

I'm not picky about WHERE these topics are open to discussion....as long as judgement and hate are left elsewhere.....but the shift to the fetish forum more easily allows these threads to flourish without the more "serious" GLBT threads being marginalized and buried. Better for all, as long as the fetishists don't take it as an insult- which was not the intent.

 

[JMohegan]

How 'bout we just don't CALL them anything. Legitimacy is easy to question when you're not the one affected by confusion and / or guilt.

(spoken from a married, closeted crossdresser point of view; but I'm sure the confusion and guilt thing applies to others with inexplicable, non-mainstream interests)

I'm a sadist with a control fetish. (A control fetish in the literal sense; control of the proceedings being an absolute prerequisite for my arousal.)

Confusion and guilt? Yeah, I've been there.

Personally I find non-pejorative labels helpful in acknowledging sexual identity and achieving self-acceptance. Also helpful in avoiding the misrepresentation of oneself when getting to know potential sexual partners.

 

[blade_rocknut]

I'm a sadist with a control fetish. (A control fetish in the literal sense; control of the proceedings being an absolute prerequisite for my arousal.)

Confusion and guilt? Yeah, I've been there.

Personally I find non-pejorative labels helpful in acknowledging sexual identity and achieving self-acceptance. Also helpful in avoiding the misrepresentation of oneself when getting to know potential sexual partners.

I understand; I suppose- some people feel they need labels. I suppose as long as they're not set in stone; no problem.

I do and fantasize about things that most straights would consider NOT straight...but I don't really care.

 

[JMohegan]

I understand; I suppose- some people feel they need labels. I suppose as long as they're not set in stone; no problem.

I do and fantasize about things that most straights would consider NOT straight...but I don't really care.

Whether your definition of straight matches mine doesn't matter. It's just casual conversation.

But clarification on your own sexual ID, however you choose to describe it, is obviously important when you talk to your spouse and other sexual partners (if you have others). Right? As long as you've achieved mutual understanding with those folks, casual conversation with random internet strangers is easy to put in perspective.

 

[blade_rocknut]

Whether your definition of straight matches mine doesn't matter. It's just casual conversation.

But clarification on your own sexual ID, however you choose to describe it, is obviously important when you talk to your spouse and other sexual partners (if you have others). Right? As long as you've achieved mutual understanding with those folks, casual conversation with random internet strangers is easy to put in perspective.

The wife & I can talk about our sexuality freely; we've both come to understand its fluidity, also. I now fantasize about things that my formerly homophobic self would've condemned me for. She's strayed way out of the straight camp in recent years, as well.....As far as internet strangers go; I tell it like this- I don't know exactly WHAT to call me; but I'm not interested in men.
It's worth mentioning, too that we don't really know what we like until we've tried....another reason I avoid being stalwart on my proclamations of self. I would've not guessed I'd have TS fantasies 'til I saw (insert TS porn star here) the first time.
As long as two people aren't picky about whether the definitions match, everything's hunky-dory. All too often, however- that's not the reality. I've been vague about a lot of things all my life....I'm happy that way

 

[Stella_Omega]

They don't sound gay to me, either. A guy who gets off fucking his wife, and also gets off sucking cock, seems neither straight nor gay, but something else entirely. Which is fine. We don't just have red and yellow; there's nothing wrong with myriad shades of orange.

the only thinkg wrong with those myriad shades is that we don't have names for them, so can't easilty talk about them.

Hell, who created the straight/gay dichotomy? Straight folk did. And for them, it's like the one drop of blood rule; one action means you are gay, never to achieve a righteous state of heterosexuality ever again.

Well, who says it works that way? As long as straights insist on viewing the entire world as a binary, I'm going to label not-gay people as straight. if straights don't like it they can come up with another word in order to corral those pesky buggers away from real men.

What's interesting to me is that they talk about other males in the same way I talked about females when I was in high school. Explicitly denouncing any interest in personality, rejecting emotional connection, craving body parts only.

Some things about sex are very childish.

 

[Allyourbase]

the only thinkg wrong with those myriad shades is that we don't have names for them, so can't easilty talk about them.

Hell, who created the straight/gay dichotomy? Straight folk did. And for them, it's like the one drop of blood rule; one action means you are gay, never to achieve a righteous state of heterosexuality ever again.

Well, who says it works that way? As long as straights insist on viewing the entire world as a binary, I'm going to label not-gay people as straight. if straights don't like it they can come up with another word in order to corral those pesky buggers away from real men.
Some things about sex are very childish.

Agreed on the one drop of blood rule, and, though I think we actually agree on this entirely, just for the sake of argument: why recreate it from the other side all over again? Why is gay people seeing the world as binary less of a problem?

On the other hand, if you're one of those 'homeless' non-gay/non-straight people, it might be a good incentive to start clinging less to labels. Some say that is a good thing.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Agreed on the one drop of blood rule, and, though I think we actually agree on this entirely, just for the sake of argument: why recreate it from the other side all over again? Why is gay people seeing the world as binary less of a problem?

Because the world as defined by those in power is binary. Also, those who have fought for a bit of territory are highly motivated to keep on fighting for it, or, as they know quite well, they will lose it.

We did lose territory, so to speak, on GLBT. The straight guys came in and filled the first pages with panties and 'wish i was her' threads. And gays, lesbians, and transgendered folk have cultural issues that go a long way beyond wearing panties in private. Being gay is not merely a matter of fun times in bed.

So, we asked that there be another forum for those guys-- and me, too, I have lots of sex things that have hardly nothing to do with my sexual identity!

On the other hand, if you're one of those 'homeless' non-gay/non-straight people, it might be a good incentive to start clinging less to labels. Some say that is a good thing.

The guys showed up in GLBT because of applied homophobia in other forums.

Maybe you can coax the hegemony into applying fewer labels, good luck with that.

 

[blade_rocknut]

The guys showed up in GLBT because of applied homophobia in other forums.

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It may have only been implied or perceived....but yeah. I just wish now that the "opposing" parties 'twixt the glbt regulars and fetishists would just bury the frickin' hatchet. I think it's just silly every time someone whines " this oughtta still be in glbt. I'm one of those folks who doesn't quite fit...never really have. The only reason I ever posted on threads in glbt was ....well; that's where the threads WERE that intrigued me. ( and some still ARE). I don't worry so much about the forum title as the content of the thread.

Same set of standards apply to keeping friends & acquaintances in RL....it's the content that matters.