Sad / infuriating story from Rutgers University - what should their punishment be?

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really now?

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2008/offenders.html

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2008/victims.html

those native americans need to be raising their profile more.

until heterosexual and homosexual orientation are similarly received in society, i don't think this is true.

there is still too much stigma attached to homosexuality, too much bigotry, to equate the two.

were he boinking a girl, his peers would high-five him in the cafeteria for being a stud. instead, he got to look forward to hearing "faggot" behind his back.

I don't think that makes it specifically a hate crime though. He was videoed and broadcast the first time without his roommate knowing he was gay. It was the stigma that still exists in society that pushed this poor boy to kill himself, not some concerted effort ~because~ he was gay, to humiliate him.

 

[Morcheeba]

I pulled some favors.

left: dead guy
middle and right: camera operators

http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/100929-Rutgers-hmed-6p.grid-6x2.jpg

For the life of me I cannot remember
What made us think that we were wise...
For the life of me I cannot believe we'd ever die for these sins
We were merely freshmen

We were only freshmen

Now I'm guilt stricken, sobbin' with my head on the floor
Stop a Baby's Breath and a shoe full of rice, no...

We've tried to wash our hands of all of this

I can't be held responsible

I won't be held responsible

We were only freshmen...

Some lyrics ^^ from The Verve Pipe's "The Freshmen" song that I've taken way outta context but it was weird hearing it while reading this thread. Sooo, I just had to hit google.

Poor guy... to his family and friends.

To those two thinking they were running some whicked cool version of Punk'D, fuck them AND their little Twitter/live stream buddies.

 

[Powertone]

How can you type with his cock planted firmly down your throat? Shit, you're more talented than _pink at sucking dick.

whose cock is your ex-wife sucking on these days, Dykky ?

 

[Luk]

whose cock is your ex-wife sucking on these days, Dykky ?

Really? Ex-wife smack? You mean the ex-wife I divorced 7 years ago and haven't spoken to since? Like a true red-blooded American male, I only care about who's sucking my cock.

Who knows? I have no idea who the girl I lost my virginity is fucking either, semen4vette.

But hey, we all know your sides insults are even more lame than your jokes.

 

[KRCummings]

Really? Ex-wife smack? You mean the ex-wife I divorced 7 years ago and haven't spoken to since? Like a true red-blooded American male, I only care about who's sucking my cock.

Who knows? I have no idea who the girl I lost my virginity is fucking either, semen4vette.

But hey, we all know your sides insults are even more lame than your jokes.

I wonder if the guy I lost my virginity to is wondering who I'm fucking now. You've got me thinking. I don't wonder who he's fucking. In fact until you mentioned it I hadn't thought of him in years. He was a nice guy, I hope he's doing well and fucking someone who deserves him. Unless he turned into a major asshole but I doubt it. He was sweet. Not what you'd call "well hung" but sweet. I didn't know that at the time of course because the first one is always hung like Tennessee stud horse just because you don't know any different. Know what I mean?
I rambled. Deal with it.

 

[Phelia]

What a gut-wrenching story. I don't think that legally or morally they are responsible for his death. Contributors, sure. But not responsible.

Still, I give them three years in prison. One year for filming him in the first place and two for broadcasting it. Why the hell did they plant a camera in the first place? What a disgusting, invasive, disrespectful creep. Ugh. That honestly makes me shiver.

Also, to Scott Harris and Devil's Child, fuck you both, and I mean that with every fiber of myself. Lobbing gay digs at each other on the first goddamn page. How completely repulsive. That kind of attitude is entirely the problem. Ridiculous pissing matches that inevitably stoop to tossing "fag" back and forth as some deep and emasculating insult. In this thread, of all places. Un-fucking-believable.

 

[KRCummings]

What a gut-wrenching story. I don't think that legally or morally they are responsible for his death. Contributors, sure. But not responsible.

Still, I give them three years in prison. One year for filming him in the first place and two for broadcasting it. Why the hell did they plant a camera in the first place? What a disgusting, invasive, disrespectful creep. Ugh. That honestly makes me shiver.

Also, to Scott Harris and Devil's Child, fuck you both, and I mean that with every fiber of myself. Lobbing gay digs at each other on the first goddamn page. How completely repulsive. That kind of attitude is entirely the problem. Ridiculous pissing matches that inevitably stoop to tossing "fag" back and forth as some deep and emasculating insult. In this thread, of all places. Un-fucking-believable.

No, it wasn't really all that gut wrenching. He was a sweet guy and we dated for quite a while. He took my virginity and I'm happy that it was him. All in all it's a nice story actually.

 

[RightField]

Sad story.

 

[toshiskitten]

What a gut-wrenching story. I don't think that legally or morally they are responsible for his death. Contributors, sure. But not responsible.

Still, I give them three years in prison. One year for filming him in the first place and two for broadcasting it. Why the hell did they plant a camera in the first place? What a disgusting, invasive, disrespectful creep. Ugh. That honestly makes me shiver.

Also, to Scott Harris and Devil's Child, fuck you both, and I mean that with every fiber of myself. Lobbing gay digs at each other on the first goddamn page. How completely repulsive. That kind of attitude is entirely the problem. Ridiculous pissing matches that inevitably stoop to tossing "fag" back and forth as some deep and emasculating insult. In this thread, of all places. Un-fucking-believable.

That doesn't matter to them. Sad stories are never off limits here and it's horrible. Those two will forever have to live with what they did and I hope they get the full punishment.

 

[Phelia]

No, it wasn't really all that gut wrenching. He was a sweet guy and we dated for quite a while. He took my virginity and I'm happy that it was him. All in all it's a nice story actually.

Well, I'm outraged. I'm going to start sixty facebook groups bewailing the loss of your maidenly virtues. Be on the lookout for an invitation to "Honk if you love Farmville and also miss KRC's hymen."

*Like*

 

[KRCummings]

Well, I'm outraged. I'm going to start sixty facebook groups bewailing the loss of your maidenly virtues. Be on the lookout for an invitation to "Honk if you love Farmville and also miss KRC's hymen."

*Like*

Honey, my maidenly virtues are so lost they couldn't be found with helicopters, divers, underground sonar and a pack of corpse sniffing dogs. No use worrying about them.

 

[KRCummings]

That doesn't matter to them. Sad stories are never off limits here and it's horrible. Those two will forever have to live with what they did and I hope they get the full punishment.

They're kids who probably didn't want or intend for any physical harm to come to the man. They will suffer enough I'm sure.

 

[bronzeage]

Honey, my maidenly virtues are so lost they couldn't be found with helicopters, divers, underground sonar and a pack of corpse sniffing dogs. No use worrying about them.

I found a couple pieces of your virtues when raking leaves. I don't know if they were carried on the wind of just made it that far in the blast. Up to now, I never knew whose they were.

 

[KRCummings]

I found a couple pieces of your virtues when raking leaves. I don't know if they were carried on the wind of just made it that far in the blast. Up to now, I never knew whose they were.

Yes, come to think of it I did spend some time down south in my younger years.

 

[Phelia]

Honey, my maidenly virtues are so lost they couldn't be found with helicopters, divers, underground sonar and a pack of corpse sniffing dogs. No use worrying about them.

Oh, sister. Mickey Rourke has more maidenly virtues than I do.

 

[pornstarwannabe]

Guy gets caught having sex. What is so bad about gay sex? Since he killed himself over it, he was most likely imbalanced. Darwinism at work.

 

[pointless]

i swear the only reason i still come here is for the ego boost i get when i realize just how stupid most of you assholes are.

 

[Morcheeba]

i swear the only reason i still come here is for the ego boost i get when i realize just how stupid most of you assholes are.

You had me going until your edit.

 

[RoryN]

well " we " can't charge them with a hate crime because the offending parties are minorities just like their victim was...only Caucasians can be guilty of committing hate crimes

Yup - you've finally flipped your lid. I'd like to take credit for making it happen and forcing you to expose yourself for the idiot you are...and I will. You're just another of the many. Congrats.

 

[John Doe]

until heterosexual and homosexual orientation are similarly received in society, i don't think this is true.

there is still too much stigma attached to homosexuality, too much bigotry, to equate the two.

were he boinking a girl, his peers would high-five him in the cafeteria for being a stud. instead, he got to look forward to hearing "faggot" behind his back.

It doesn't matter what you think is true or what a reasonable person might expect to be the outcome of outing a gay man. What matters is intent.

 

[John Doe]

I wonder if the guy I lost my virginity to is wondering who I'm fucking now. You've got me thinking. I don't wonder who he's fucking. In fact until you mentioned it I hadn't thought of him in years. He was a nice guy, I hope he's doing well and fucking someone who deserves him. Unless he turned into a major asshole but I doubt it. He was sweet. Not what you'd call "well hung" but sweet. I didn't know that at the time of course because the first one is always hung like Tennessee stud horse just because you don't know any different. Know what I mean?
I rambled. Deal with it.

No. What are Tennessee stud horses hung like?

 

[cjh]

It doesn't matter what you think is true or what a reasonable person might expect to be the outcome of outing a gay man. What matters is intent.

You remain a high functioning idiot.

Parse this.

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Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress

The Restatement (2nd) of Torts, section 46, states:

(1) One who by extreme and outrageous conduct intentionally or recklessly causes severe emotional distress to another is subject to liability for such emotional distress, and if bodily harm to the other results from it, for such bodily harm.

(2) Where such conduct is directed at a third person, the actor is subject to liability if he intentionally or recklessly causes severe emotional distress:

(a) to a member of such person's immediate family who is present at the time, whether or not such distress results in bodily harm, or
(b) to any other person who is present at the time, if such distress results in bodily harm.

So, IIED (Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress) has four parts:

outrageous conduct by the defendant,
the intention of causing, or reckless disregard of the probability of causing, emotional distress,
actual suffering of severe or extreme emotional distress, and
actual and proximate causation of the emotional distress by the defendant's outrageous conduct.

Like any legal matter, particular state law differs and is important.

My guess is that in any state, recklessness in this instance would go to a jury.

Do you think the conduct was outrageous?

 

[bronzeage]

No. What are Tennessee stud horses hung like?

Like a horse, only more so.

 

[where]

You remain a high functioning idiot.

Parse this.

[
Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress

The Restatement (2nd) of Torts, section 46, states:

(1) One who by extreme and outrageous conduct intentionally or recklessly causes severe emotional distress to another is subject to liability for such emotional distress, and if bodily harm to the other results from it, for such bodily harm.

(2) Where such conduct is directed at a third person, the actor is subject to liability if he intentionally or recklessly causes severe emotional distress:

(a) to a member of such person's immediate family who is present at the time, whether or not such distress results in bodily harm, or
(b) to any other person who is present at the time, if such distress results in bodily harm.

So, IIED (Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress) has four parts:

outrageous conduct by the defendant,
the intention of causing, or reckless disregard of the probability of causing, emotional distress,
actual suffering of severe or extreme emotional distress, and
actual and proximate causation of the emotional distress by the defendant's outrageous conduct.

Like any legal matter, particular state law differs and is important.

My guess is that in any state, recklessness in this instance would go to a jury.

Do you think the conduct was outrageous?

but John Doe still has a point. if the intent was not homosexual hate, then how can they be done for it?

 

[pornstarwannabe]

i swear the only reason i still come here is for the ego boost i get when i realize just how stupid most of you assholes are.

I noticed how you said "most." Thanks for not including me in the asshole group.