Powertone
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well " we " can't charge them with a hate crime because the offending parties are minorities just like their victim was...only Caucasians can be guilty of committing hate crimes
Sad / infuriating story from Rutgers University - what should their punishment be?
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well " we " can't charge them with a hate crime because the offending parties are minorities just like their victim was...only Caucasians can be guilty of committing hate crimes
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Get ready for much more of the same as cams become ever smaller, more intrusive and more ubiquitous.
Privacy won't be understood the same way in 50 years.
Privacy won't be understood the same way in 50 years.
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You directly address me in a post that had nothing to do with you and tell me to try not to reply? That's trolling at its finest. Congrats?
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I was thinking the same thing, what with stuff like microchips and fiberoptics and such. No such thing as privacy in a dorm room any more. Had I been in college in the '10's instead of the '80's, there would probably have been footage on the web of me and the future Lady P getting it on. People were certainly attempting to find us out.
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I know that hate crime is a fairly new concept and for boneheads it can be a little complicated, but even you can't be that dumb.
FWIW I think Dolf's posts nailed it.
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Why are you so agitated ?
You've revealed here that you masturbated in a VW looking at girls strolling on a college campus...I only inquired how the pickings were this year .
You were trolling for Vette...he wasn't here to take your bait...I was instead...
And you're biting back after bragging to me you're ignoring my posts...make up your mind , Dyk
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hmmm... are minorities charged with hate crimes ?
here's a highlighted paragraph about the notorious Carr Brothers of Wichita , KS
Since there was reportedly no prima facie evidence of racial motivation, only that the victims were white and the Carr brothers are African-American, Sedgwick County District Attorney Nola Foulston decided not to treat the incident as a hate crime. David Horowitz, Michelle Malkin, and Thomas Sowell all stated that the crime did not garner much airtime or space in the national mainstream media due to political correctness.[5][6] Sowell went on to claim that the media has a double standard regarding interracial offenses, tending to play up "vicious crimes by whites against blacks" but play down equally "vicious crimes by blacks against whites".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wichita_Massacre
no hate here , folks...move along move along
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That is the crux of the matter.
Most things like this are settled with a "no harm-no foul" ruling. In this case there was harm, but what was the foul?
It is a crime to film someone without their knowledge. Any death resulting from or during the commission of a crime is considered murder. Most states have this kind of law on the books. If a clerk has a heart attack and dies during a robbery, the robber is charged with murder.
The dead man had a parter on the film, who we presume is still alive. This proves it is possible to survive being filmed while having gay sex.
I would like to see the guy who started all of this prosecuted for the camera trick. The opportunity for this kind of thing is all over the place and will become much easier in the future. That is real lesson to learn from this tragedy.
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David Horowitz, Michelle Malkin, and Thomas Sowell saying Wichita was a hate crime, doesn't actually make it so. Not EVERY crime by a white against a black is a hate crime and vice versa. Further, there is no evidence to suggest that this was in any way racially motivated.
The only thing that would make this a hate crime would be homophobia and going from the scant reports so far, there isn't much evidence for it. Sometimes a victim just happens to be a minority or different from the perpetrator. It's only a hate crime if the victim is targeted BECAUSE they are different. It is a difficult idea for a knee-jerker like you to get your head around, but do at least try and think before blurting. You are in danger of ending looking as dumb as jen or offtobed otherwise.
This is generally only the case for felonies.
"Felony-murder statutes evince a special brand of transferred intent. Under a felony-murder statute, any death caused in the commission of, or in an attempt to commit, a predicate felony is murder. It is not necessary to prove that the defendant intended to kill the victim. For example, a death resulting from arson will give rise to a murder charge even though the defendant intentionally set the structure on fire without intending to kill a human being. Furthermore, the underlying crime need not have been the direct cause of the death. In the arson example, the victim need not die of burns; a fatal heart attack will trigger a charge of felony murder. In most jurisdictions, a death resulting from the perpetration of certain felonies will constitute first-degree murder. Such felonies usually include arson, robbery, burglary, rape, and kidnapping.
Read more: Criminal Law - Intent - Murder, Defendant, Act, Example, Death, and Crime http://law.jrank.org/pages/5863/Criminal-Law-Intent.html#ixzz1121bgGRR"
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Beats me as to what they should get, but, they seem to be getting off easier than the lady that tossed the cat into the bin.
I guess in this society cats are more important than people eh.
I guess in this society cats are more important than people eh.
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so in other words , I make sense and therefore must be marginalized by you
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So, to summarize:
1) You're apparently sucking Vette's cock on the weekends. *shudders at mental image*
2) Luke insulted your boyfriend and so, like a real man does, you stepped to him to defend the honor of your daddy because he tastes so good.
You're a good boy, Charlie Brown. Keep up the great work and remember to brush your teeth after swallowing.
David Horowitz, Michelle Malkin, and Thomas Sowell saying Wichita was a hate crime, doesn't actually make it so. Not EVERY crime by a white against a black is a hate crime and vice versa. Further, there is no evidence to suggest that this was in any way racially motivated.
The only thing that would make this a hate crime would be homophobia and going from the scant reports so far, there isn't much evidence for it. Sometimes a victim just happens to be a minority or different from the perpetrator. It's only a hate crime if the victim is targeted BECAUSE they are different. It is a difficult idea for a knee-jerker like you to get your head around, but do at least try and think before blurting. You are in danger of ending looking as dumb as jen or offtobed otherwise.
There is no "in danger of" here, Kybele. He is that dumbassed.
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I read this story last night (with additional interest because I'm a Rutgers graduate), and it is so so sad. I do think this comes under the category of hate crime, ethically if not legally.
I know the areas these kids come from very well, having grown up in Central Jersey. And having been a teacher there once, too, I know the type of kids the two accused are: upper middle class kids who grow up cosseted and with a sense of entitlement and the feeling that their families can buy their way out of anything. If the roommate who filmed the boy who died was so homophobic he should have asked to have his room assignment changed. I'm sure as he matures he'll deeply regret not having dealt with his homophobia in a less hateful way. Maybe there's a lesson in this for parents. We need to raise our kids to accept diversity and not be so threatened by it that they have the potential to ruin lives, including their own.
I doubt they can be charged with anything beyond invasion of privacy, so they'll likely do little if any jail time. And I agree with Liar that there will be a civil suit; it's the best way the families of the kid who killed himself and the other kid can get any kind of justice.
So how many lives are ruined because of this? Not just the poor kid who jumped off the GWB, but the roommate, the girlfriend, their families? So sad. We need to teach our children to keep the Golden Rule as a critical value in their lives.
I know the areas these kids come from very well, having grown up in Central Jersey. And having been a teacher there once, too, I know the type of kids the two accused are: upper middle class kids who grow up cosseted and with a sense of entitlement and the feeling that their families can buy their way out of anything. If the roommate who filmed the boy who died was so homophobic he should have asked to have his room assignment changed. I'm sure as he matures he'll deeply regret not having dealt with his homophobia in a less hateful way. Maybe there's a lesson in this for parents. We need to raise our kids to accept diversity and not be so threatened by it that they have the potential to ruin lives, including their own.
I doubt they can be charged with anything beyond invasion of privacy, so they'll likely do little if any jail time. And I agree with Liar that there will be a civil suit; it's the best way the families of the kid who killed himself and the other kid can get any kind of justice.
So how many lives are ruined because of this? Not just the poor kid who jumped off the GWB, but the roommate, the girlfriend, their families? So sad. We need to teach our children to keep the Golden Rule as a critical value in their lives.
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How can you type with his cock planted firmly down your throat? Shit, you're more talented than _pink at sucking dick.
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In those few words, he straight up admits he's a Blowjob Betty bitch for that fucker. Bookmark that shit, I ain't lettin' him off the hook for that one.
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Oh, of course he can.
I think you're assuming facts not yet in evidence on at least two points: that they knew it would be psychologically damaging, and that it directly led to the suicide. This is still a developing story.
I think it's probably easier to assume the illicit streamer just thought it would be a laugh riot a la American Pie than something meant to hurt his roommate. Can we assume he wouldn't have done the same thing had the roommate been fooling around with a girl? Remembering what me and my friends were like at that age, I'm guessing the answer is no.
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Seems like a piss poor excuse to kill yourself. And I haven't looked that much into this simply because it's a piss poor excuse to kill yourself so my sympathy is right near zero but I haven't seen anything that says they did it because he was gay. Just that they did it. That doesn't sound like any kind of hate crime to me. Maybe I missed something though.
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Doesn't it seem like a photoshop campaign is in order? These two assholes in compromising positions...
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you haven't made sense. you have just shown how dumb you are.
go on. get on with it!
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until heterosexual and homosexual orientation are similarly received in society, i don't think this is true.
there is still too much stigma attached to homosexuality, too much bigotry, to equate the two.
were he boinking a girl, his peers would high-five him in the cafeteria for being a stud. instead, he got to look forward to hearing "faggot" behind his back.
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Gay guy finally gets man-ass, gay guy is busted, gay guy kills himself. Except for the names and a few other changes, the story is the same one. Very sad indeed. Then again, if I got caught, I would imagine it being extremely humiliating and embarassing.
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