New Breed of Hero? Evelyn Salt and Lisbeth Salander

[xssve]

Dammit Irezumi, you need to resize that sig banner, my monitor is only 22 inches.

 

[Boxlicker101]

How about the hero of a detective series? James Bond is 'somewhat serious,' isn't he?


I have to say-- I get the hooplah. You're acting like hardass women are a dime a dozen since the dawn of time.

They aren't. They haven't been. They won't be. I'll be patheitcally grateful for a few over-the-top examples brightening the face of the girlie-poo, boys-club wasteland that I have been looking at since I first began to read back in 1964.

How many female heroes are there in Doctor Seuss for crissakes? I mean-- it starts that early.

There are a few female detective heroes. Miss Marple comes to mind, and there are probably others I can't think of just now.

The Doctor Seuss characterrs are pretty much sexless. Cindy Lou Who comes to mind, and there is a female villain in "Horton Hears a Who." (Jane Kangaroo) For that matter, is Horton male or female? I know they use male pronouns, but that was standard when gender was unknpown.

 

[Stella_Omega]

James Bond: "somewhat serious"? Never (in film, anyway).
It was always intended as a bit of a lark.

But a hella lotta men consider JB to be an actual role model, without irony.

Are these particular female characters intended to be taken any more seriously than James Bond is?

And there were a few of the Doctor's female friends who did not need rescuing. If only I could remember the names (K9 called her "Mistress".)

I refer you to the "Peabody" stories of Elizabeth Peters.

Thanks! http://ameliapeabody.com/ I remember reading one sometime back then...

I bolded a very important word for you. FEW.

For that matter, is Horton male or female? I know they use male pronouns, but that was standard when gender was unknpown.

They use male pronouns. Therefore they are male. Don't expect a four year old to think any different.

 

[My I]

Funny when Heinlein gave women total equality in his books, strength, charisma, toughness, libido, etc., he was chastised as being a sexist pig. But now women are writing characters of the same nature and they are applauded. Go figure.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Funny when Heinlein gave women total equality in his books, strength, charisma, toughness, libido, etc., he was chastised as being a sexist pig. But now women are writing characters of the same nature and they are applauded. Go figure.

Heinlein's tough women spread their legs for the hero (aka Heinlein), took bullets for the hero, made sammiches for the hero, cooed "My hero!' to the hero. They could only be cured of what ailed them by the hero's magic cock. They gladly indulged in incest with the hero. Their libidos didn't exist outside of the hero's ken. And the hero was always and only Bobby A. Heinlein

Just saying.

 

[Liar]

Funny when Heinlein gave women total equality in his books, strength, charisma, toughness, libido, etc., he was chastised as being a sexist pig. But now women are writing characters of the same nature and they are applauded. Go figure.

Both women and men write 'em. It's not mainly about who the author is. It's the times that are a-changin'.

And at the same time, the most read books among young women right now is that Twilight series, in which a wishy washy girl character is defined almost entirely by her relation to, not to mention dependance on, one or more alpha males.

Now there's a go figure moment for ya.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Both women and men write 'em. It's not mainly about who the author is. It's the times that are a-changin'.

And at the same time, the most read books among young women right now is that Twilight series, in which a wishy washy girl character is defined almost entirely by her relation to, not to mention dependance on, one or more alpha males.

Now there's a go figure moment for ya.

I could go figure about every two seconds, these days...

 

[Pure]

review

from the Times (London).

http://entertainment.timesonline.co...tainment/film/film_reviews/article7056953.ece

one complaint is that the character of blomkvist is rather boring. overall, a mixed or mildly favorable review. lots of reservations.

 

[xssve]

Andre Norton totally converted me to SF and her hero's are almost uniformly adolescent girls.

Ursala LeGuin is another SF writer who writes strong protagonists who are usually women.

It's easier to get away with it in fantasy and SF - and superheros - where reproduction, adn the ensuing responisbilities and complications, kids, etc., as typically less of an issue, nothing is "normal", in the everyday sense, the subject seldom even comes up. in Neuromancer, the male protagonist is the nerd, the girl is the cyber-enhanced muscle with the street smarts.

In reality, it is true that most women are not built for it physically, not so much in terms of upper body strength or fighting ability - apparently a lot of women soldiers serving in Iraq are developing back problems from carrying all that gear around, which is the not-so-sexy reality of modern warfare. In fantasy, all you need is a catsuit and a good front kick and you're good to go.

 

[Trudy_Antone]

Heinlein's tough women spread their legs for the hero (aka Heinlein), took bullets for the hero, made sammiches for the hero, cooed "My hero!' to the hero. They could only be cured of what ailed them by the hero's magic cock. They gladly indulged in incest with the hero. Their libidos didn't exist outside of the hero's ken. And the hero was always and only Bobby A. Heinlein

Just saying.

I've loved Heinlein from age 12 until the present day, where I've made it my hobbie to trawl through second hand bookshops for all of his works.

Friday, for some weird reason, is still my favourite book of all time. As a young teen, I never thought much about the sex (non-explicit compared to ma's Mills and Boons which I stole constantly when she wasn't looking), but the group marriage shocked me. Still, I thought she was the coolest, kick ass woman.

I wonder, if it was movie-ised, how would they portray her 'enjoyment' of the rape scene?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Friday

I've never read it! I got tired of the endless masturbation that was Lazarus Long... I'll put it on my look-for list.

(Props by the way, for using "trawling" instead of some homophone-- as I probably would have done, to be honest)

 

[Handley_Page]

Anyway, here's a list: Female Action Hero's.

Oh come one. Who compiled that ?
A very brief look stopped me dead in my reading: Lois Lane; a hero ?
What utter tosh!. She's Superman's squeeze and gets into trouble at the first opportunity, (even if she is pretty).

 

[Stella_Omega]

Oh come one. Who compiled that ?
A very brief look stopped me dead in my reading: Lois Lane; a hero ?
What utter tosh!. She's Superman's squeeze and gets into trouble at the first opportunity, (even if she is pretty).

A heroine, not a hero.

 

[Boxlicker101]

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Originally Posted by xssve

Anyway, here's a list: Female Action Hero's.

Oh come one. Who compiled that ?
A very brief look stopped me dead in my reading: Lois Lane; a hero ?
What utter tosh!. She's Superman's squeeze and gets into trouble at the first opportunity, (even if she is pretty).

I have somne questiions about the list too. Isn't Modesty Blaize a woman? Why aren't Peter Pan and Wendy and Tinkerbelle listed?

I'm not really all that familiar with everybody on the list, but there are qjuite a few action heroes, male and female, from comic books missing. Dorothy Gale from Wizard of Oz certainly belongs there, either in film or literature.

Is Lois Lane in Smallville? I thought she didn't come into Superman's life until Clark Kent went to Metropolis.

Why do they list actresses rather than the roles they played? Mrs. Peel certainly belongs there, but Diana Rigg played other parts than that.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Quote:
Originally Posted by xssve

Anyway, here's a list: Female Action Hero's.




I have somne questiions about the list too. Isn't Modesty Blaize a woman? Why aren't Peter Pan and Wendy and Tinkerbelle listed?

I'm not really all that familiar with everybody on the list, but there are qjuite a few action heroes, male and female, from comic books missing. Dorothy Gale from Wizard of Oz certainly belongs there, either in film or literature.

Is Lois Lane in Smallville? I thought she didn't come into Superman's life until Clark Kent went to Metropolis.

Why do they list actresses rather than the roles they played? Mrs. Peel certainly belongs there, but Diana Rigg played other parts than that.

I think someone has rickrolled that page.

when you go to "heroine" in wikipedia it sends you directly to "hero" which mentions women twice (2 times). There should be a disambiguation page, and it should include Women Warriors, Damsels In Distress and Literary characters --or whatever else there is on the topic.