What to do when the Majority can't handle a Minority of One

[where]

My way is that of a straight male master.

You won't find me trashng those who are gay, or those where the female is a mistress.

I don't do poly, but you won't find me trashing those in closed poly relationships.

I was invited to start a discussion on ethics. I did that. I stated my position regarding the 'ethics' of casual 'bdsm' ... everyone else decided to trash me for it.

No one bothered to defend the 'ethics' of casual 'bdsm'.

So whose way are we all supposed to agree with?

The majority of posters here, obviously.

So insecure in their own beliefs they cannot stand to see anyone disagree with them, so not only do they trash the person, they trash the stories written by the person.

Fanatics.

but you do trash and insult those who are in what you term 'casual' bdsm relationships. we don't have to agree with anyone's view. there are very few views on here that i agree with 100% and many that I partly agree with, including yours.

I think the reason that you got 'trashed' as you put it, was your complete intolerance to other views and the fact that, like a fanatic, you go promoting your 'one true way' as the only way and belittle people who chose not to take that path.

If your stories got trashed as a vindictive campaign, then you will find that in a few weeks the negative votes will creep back up because 1) there are regular sweeps of votes and any votes that look like they are made to inflate or decimate a story get deleted (this is why voting for your own story never works) and 2) if the work actually has merit, then it won't matter, others will see it for that merit. there are far more readers out there voting who don't use the forums than there are who use the forums.

 

[WriterDom]

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=393766&highlight=voting

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=629858&highlight=voting

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=471810&highlight=voting

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=500228&highlight=voting

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=254845&highlight=voting

I could post links all day long but you get the idea. BLoved is not special or unique.

 

[BLoved]

but you do trash and insult those who are in what you term 'casual' bdsm relationships.

So what you are saying is that unless we agree that casual 'bdsm' is safe and healthy and free of abuse we "trash and insult" them because we do not agree with their 'ethics'.

In what way is that "tolerant" of others?

Are you saying all these people need my approval for the way they conduct themselves before the harassment stops?

How insecure is that?

Do I need their approval for the way I conduct my relationships? Of course not.

Which of us is more secure in our beliefs?

I think the reason that you got 'trashed' as you put it, was your complete intolerance to other views and the fact that, like a fanatic, you go promoting your 'one true way' as the only way and belittle people who chose not to take that path.

Even if true, which it isn't, it is still one person's point of view.

This is cause for 80 pages of harassment which extends to the stories written by the individual? So afraid the individual might find approval from readers that intentional vote-rigging is required to down-rate the stories to prevent anyone from being aware of them?

In what way is that not the behaviour of fanatics?

If your stories got trashed as a vindictive campaign, then you will find that in a few weeks the negative votes will creep back up because 1) there are regular sweeps of votes and any votes that look like they are made to inflate or decimate a story get deleted (this is why voting for your own story never works) and 2) if the work actually has merit, then it won't matter, others will see it for that merit.

If a story isn't in the top list and isn't in the new stories list it is one of thousands in the topic list and fails to attract the attention it deserves, if it is the victim of vote-rigging.

Perhaps as a writer I prefer to have my stories graded by their merits, rather than by fanatics with an axe to grind.

there are far more readers out there voting who don't use the forums than there are who use the forums.

Where do you think I'm getting my 5 votes?

From those who aren't fanatics, who grade the story on its merits.

And where do you think I'm getting these 1 votes?

From the fanatics in this forum.

Thanks, but I'll delete and re-submit and we'll see how long the fanatics want to keep this up.

 

[BLoved]

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=393766&highlight=voting

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=629858&highlight=voting

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=471810&highlight=voting

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=500228&highlight=voting

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=254845&highlight=voting

I could post links all day long but you get the idea. BLoved is not special or unique.

The vote-rigging is being conducted by members of this forum.

Just how responsible and mature is the majority in this forum when they see nothing wrong with such behaviour?

What does it say about how they handle themselves in a bdsm setting?

What does it say about how they manipulate others into believing things that just ain't so?

 

[WriterDom]

The vote-rigging is being conducted by members of this forum.

You don't know who is voting or how they are voting, outside of the Daddy guy who said he gave you a one. . I'd imagine fewer than twenty people from the forum even looked at your story much less voted.

 

[BLoved]

You don't know who is voting or how they are voting, outside of the Daddy guy who said he gave you a one.

I've rated your stories 1 star a bunch of times.

Are we to believe one person bragged about it in a forum where such behaviour never occurs?

I'd imagine fewer than twenty people from the forum even looked at your story much less voted.

I'm sure you would have to use your imagination to make such a claim.

 

[Keroin]

I'd imagine fewer than twenty people from the forum even looked at your story much less voted.

*raises hand*

 

[Etoile]

I know what this thread needs...

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/somerandomcrap/Kittens/kittens-464.jpg

 

[BLoved]

...

I recall asking you for your opinion of Love, Part III.

 

[WriterDom]

I'm sure you would have to use your imagination to make such a claim.

From what you posted only 1% of the people who read your story voted. You said you had 9 one votes. You claim all nine came from this forum? I kind of doubt it. I'm really surprised you didn't get more one votes considering you filed a romance story under the bdsm category.

 

[Etoile]

I recall asking you for your opinion of Love, Part III.

I skimmed it, but now I've forgotten.

 

[BLoved]

From what you posted only 1% of the people who read your story voted. You said you had 9 one votes. You claim all nine came from this forum? I kind of doubt it. I'm really surprised you didn't get more one votes considering you filed a romance story under the bdsm category.

The last time I posted that story, two months ago or so, I filed it under "Romance".

Whomever approves these things filed it under "BDSM".

And yes, given the psychology of those seeking porn, someone off the street scanning through that story wouldn't have stopped to vote it a 1, they'd be moving on to another story.

Anyone who read through the story and voted at all would be giving it 4s and 5s.

Or have you forgotten how we've already been through this once before here?

You will notice all of my material was rated higher than a 4.

The Love trilogy had more votes, and higher ratings than they have now.

That was before I'd mentioned them in the discussion.

They started dropping fast after that. The last ratings shown are certainly not the lowest ratings those stories received before they were deleted.

And because this time I announced their appearance when the stories were approved, I have far more 1s, and one among you openly brags of vote-rigging my stories.

The stories merit higher than that. The untarnished votes shown in the link above demonstrate that.

The fact the ratings dropped so quickly after mentioning them in a discussion demonstrates not only vote-rigging, but why vote-rigging is occurring.

You are afraid of what might happen if more people recognize my credibility.

 

[WriterDom]

You should own some of this. After all, it was you who started a story feedback thread in talk, and after people nicely told you it was not the place for it, you turned around and did it again.

Fucking rude and stupid, huh?

 

[Etoile]

What WD just said is precisely why I'm doing this

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/somerandomcrap/Kittens/kittens.jpg

 

[BLoved]

You should own some of this. After all, it was you who started a story feedback thread in talk, and after people nicely told you it was not the place for it, you turned around and did it again.

Fucking rude and stupid, huh?

Mature and responsible adults never stoop to vote-rigging, or any other form of unethical behaviour.

But I do not expect a fanatic to appreciate the difference.

 

[seela]

I read your stories. They were very well written - I expected nothing less - but I, too, have to wonder why they are placed in the BDSM section. In any case, they were eloquently written even if I don't agree with all the thesis stated in the second part.

I noticed that you had commented in one of the stories (sorry, don't remember which - maybe 1st part?) that you have already submitted the stories on Lit twice before, this being the third time. Why did you delete them when you submitted them the first time around? Certainly it couldn't have been due to vote rigging by members of this forum, because you didn't even participate here until March this year.

 

[CutieMouse]

Mature and responsible adults don't stoop to unethically playing the system against itself, and trust the merits of their writing to stand on its own.

My understanding is that when one posts a new story, it shows up on the first page. Thus, it receives more views. People read the story, a minority tend to vote, most don't bother. As new stories are added, the older ones fall down the list.

By adding a story, keeping it up a few days, then pulling it over and over and over, you're unethically playing the system instead of letting the marketplace determine the popularity of the subject/writing. You are creating additional unnecessary work for the site owners, wasting expensive server space (add/delete/add/delete), and abusing the hospitality of the site (offering you a FREE place to post your stories to a vast audience.

 

[BLoved]

I read your stories. They were very well written - I expected nothing less - but I, too, have to wonder why they are placed in the BDSM section. In any case, they were eloquently written even if I don't agree with all the thesis stated in the second part.

In other words, they don't deserve votes of 1 or 2.

Thank you.

I noticed that you had commented in one of the stories (sorry, don't remember which - maybe 1st part?) that you have already submitted the stories on Lit twice before, this being the third time. Why did you delete them when you submitted them the first time around? Certainly it couldn't have been due to vote rigging by members of this forum, because you didn't even participate here until March this year.

The last two times I've submitted stories occurred since I started participating in this forum.

The first time I found myself targetted in one of the authors groups over the ethics of story-writing.

In all cases except this one the ratings were consistently between 4 and 5 until I became a target of the regular posters in a Literotica forum.

This case, I announced upon approval, so the ratings are considerably lower (1 votes having far more influence over a rating when the vote-count is low).

 

[BLoved]

Mature and responsible adults don't stoop to unethically playing the system against itself, and trust the merits of their writing to stand on its own.

The first time I submitted the Love trilogy it was not only the highest rated BDSM story for the 30-day list, it was the highest rated for the 12-month list.

That is until it became a target.

I was so disgusted with the behaviour at the time I pulled the stories after 35 days since they were approved.

By adding a story, keeping it up a few days, then pulling it over and over and over, you're unethically playing the system instead of letting the marketplace determine the popularity of the subject/writing. You are creating additional unnecessary work for the site owners, wasting expensive server space (add/delete/add/delete), and abusing the hospitality of the site (offering you a FREE place to post your stories to a vast audience.

Vote-rigging is also playing the system against itself. The stories are not rated on their merits, but rather they are rated by the popularity of the writer in a particular forum.

Since the rating system itself is intended to register votes based on the merit of the story, not the popularity of a writer in a forum, and there is no cure for this vote-rigging aside from pulling a story, that is the only option available.

As long as Literotica uses a rating system that can't differentiate between bias against a writer and the merit of his work, this will remain the only option available to a writer.

 

[seela]

In other words, they don't deserve votes of 1 or 2.

Thank you.

I don't think all people vote necessarily based on how well the story is written, but rather how entertaining/fascinating/good overall they find the story. Those who start reading your stories in the BDSM secion most likely are looking for action rather than a romantic saga. I'm just guessing that this could be one of the reasons why you don't get the ratings your writing skills deserve.

The last two times I've submitted stories occurred since I started participating in this forum.

The first time I found myself targetted in one of the authors groups over the ethics of story-writing.

In all cases except this one the ratings were consistently between 4 and 5 until I became a target of the regular posters in a Literotica forum.

This case, I announced upon approval, so the ratings are considerably lower (1 votes having far more influence over a rating when the vote-count is low).

So you have been "victimized" by others as well, not only us "casual bdsm players". Have you considered that maybe there is something in the way you articulate things that makes people annoyed at you? I have already said before that you come off pretty strong on the One True Way side of things. Like it's has to be your way or it's unethical and dangerous. Maybe this was the case in that other discussion as well?

There's nothing wrong with standing by your opinions, but it seems to me that you don't really have much respect for other peoples' right to have their own opinions. You trash them and make sweeping generalizations that don't do anyone any good -- neither to the ones who get bulked with the mob (that I've yet to find) nor to you, because it takes a lot away from your demands for ethical behavior.

 

[seela]

As long as Literotica uses a rating system that can't differentiate between bias against a writer and the merit of his work, this will remain the only option available to a writer.

You could also submit the stories under a different name.

 

[rosco rathbone]

I had to have a look at the tales to see what all the excitement was about.

Not bad per se but very amusing if you keep in mind at all times that the narrator is Bloved of BDSM board fame, writing an encomium to himself.


"He seemed to have no arrogance, only the quiet self confidence that comes from always trying to excel" or some such.

 

[BLoved]

You could also submit the stories under a different name.

And how would I link them to this name, so that when I post people can see what I write?

The whole purpose behind vote-rigging is to deny a writer credibility.

In the case of this forum, it is also to deny me any credibility when it comes to bdsm.

Even despite the vote-rigging the majority of voters have given me 4s if not 5s.

They always have.

But because of the vote-rigging I'm on the last page of the top-list for 30-days, rather than in the top ten.

And that is its purpose: to discredit me by artificially down-rating my stories.

 

[Netzach]

I had to have a look at the tales to see what all the excitement was about.

Not bad per se but very amusing if you keep in mind at all times that the narrator is Bloved of BDSM board fame, writing an encomium to himself.


"He seemed to have no arrogance, only the quiet self confidence that comes from always trying to excel" or some such.

No, they're perfectly literate.

Do I know that from reading them on the erotica side? (where I read hardly anything?) Maliciously downvoting them?

No, I know that from reading them here where they're shamelessly reposted 50 times, which no one else seems to do.

I guess it contributes to his iconoclast outsider status. Legend in his own mind and all.

 

[Netzach]

A lot of people here have posted a story or two in their day - no one else seems to have such a poopy diaper fit about rating as I'm watching go down.