Obama's Mandatory Public Service Plans coming into effect...

[amicus]

By chance I noticed at the end of a segment of America, “The History of Us.” And at the end of another History or Discovery channel program.

The plans for Obama’s compulsory, mandatory public service is well underway as the following information indicates.

Although I think it should not be a political issue, Liberals will warm to mandatory public service for all and Conservatives will be up in arms against it. Would someone care to define why the two opposites see compulsory, mandatory public service so differently?

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?f...mp;pageId=92288

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This final link is of a political nature with the added attraction of actual statements made by Obama and Rohm Emmanuel. There are blunt statements about mandatory, compulsory public service for every person, male and female, between ages 18 and 25.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtDSwyCPEsQ

This may not raise the hackles of all...but it should.

Amicus Veritas

 

[amicus]

Strangely enough, even on my Tea Party page, the commentary is divided between "True!" and "Not True!", geez, watch the YOutube link at the end of the piece and hear it for yourself!

Take into consideration also the recent change that places all Student Loans in the Governments hands....can you say, 'no student loans unless you sign up for community service'? Can you also say, 'loans forgiven with community service?'

Egads people....read the writing on the wall!

Amicus

 

[DeeZire]

Is that all conservatives know how to do? Take statements out of context, and quote plans out of a book as if they were pending legislation? You guys are so incredibly paranoid and gullible, it's embarrassing. Perhaps that's why no one has answered your thread. (Plus the fact that so many people have you on ignore...) I only saw it because it was on the Main Forum page, which is the only time the ignore function doesn't block threads from the clueless wonders who make the AH so... shall we say diverse?

Good work, Ami! All you need to do now is put a tinfoil hat in your AV.

 

[TE999]

Strangely enough, even on my Tea Party page, the commentary is divided between "True!" and "Not True!", geez, watch the YOutube link at the end of the piece and hear it for yourself!

Take into consideration also the recent change that places all Student Loans in the Governments hands....can you say, 'no student loans unless you sign up for community service'? Can you also say, 'loans forgiven with community service?'

Egads people....read the writing on the wall!

Amicus

But...but...ami, it's our duty to help our fellow man through community service...it's only truly mandatory for those who choose to resist...the rest will submit willingly...it's only fair since the Obama administration and the Democrats have saved the auto manufacturers and the banks, created thousands of new jobs, are punishing Wall Street for it's excesses and made health care available for everyone...it's time to give back...'Strength Through Joy'...'Freedom Through Work'...that sort of thing.

I wonder if we can resurrect Baldur Von Schirach and put him in charge...he did a super job organizing the Hitler Youth.

 

[amicus]

A little 'tongue in cheek' Tom, but it never ceases to amaze me how the Liberals are all for the use of force in imposing their creed on the general population.

Volunteerism and Charity are and should be a matter of choice. Many religious groups encompass 'giving' as a moral aspect of their religions and life, but seldom do I hear of them wishing to force all people to follow their beliefs.

One can, 'pay back' a nation or a community if one is so disposed, by volunteering for military duty, becoming a law enforcement officer or even a firefighter. But for the vast majority of people, they contribute or 'pay back', by becoming productive citizens and including ethical behavior, honesty, integrity and all the values that humans have always instilled in their children.

And you are right again, 'mandatory public service' is an oxymoron, or a contradictory concept, before we dumbed down the language so the Liberals could converse.

Amicus

 

[TE999]

A little 'tongue in cheek' Tom, but it never ceases to amaze me how the Liberals are all for the use of force in imposing their creed on the general population.

Volunteerism and Charity are and should be a matter of choice. Many religious groups encompass 'giving' as a moral aspect of their religions and life, but seldom do I hear of them wishing to force all people to follow their beliefs.

One can, 'pay back' a nation or a community if one is so disposed, by volunteering for military duty, becoming a law enforcement officer or even a firefighter. But for the vast majority of people, they contribute or 'pay back', by becoming productive citizens and including ethical behavior, honesty, integrity and all the values that humans have always instilled in their children.

And you are right again, 'mandatory public service' is an oxymoron, or a contradictory concept, before we dumbed down the language so the Liberals could converse.

Amicus

One of the many things my father taught me was never volunteer for anything...you'll do all the work and get none of the credit.

In this case, I wonder if one of the Public Service task assignments will be 'community organizing' eg: replacing ACORN in drumming up votes for Democrats.

Talk about Esau trading his birthright for a 'mess of pottage'...trading your youthful freedom to do some political drudge job in exchange for your college tuition, health care and other government goodies. Some trade. More like slavery. It's amazing how many people will beg, sit and fetch for a little perceived security.

 

[amicus]

All good points TE, and since I am on ignore by most, they read but do not offer commentary....perhaps they realize they have no grounds to stand on?

I do hope all who read will follow the first several links and realize just what a wide reaching, expensive venture the Federal Government is embarked upon.

As the websites proudly proclaim, this is a widely dispersed program, intended to offer 'service' to all levels of society and offers 'grants' and incentives for organziations to participate.

I sent off links to the Drudge Report and National Review, asking them to focus of this huge effort to undermine liberty across the nation.

I suppose I might joggle some of the Fox personalities as well, perhaps others will join me in alerting the Media?

Fat chance!

Amicus

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I wonder just how many can truly say they have served their country, let alone their community?

And I don't think dropping a dollar or two in the collection plate on Sunday counts for much. I did that for most of my childhood and only felt I ever gave back when I was in the military. Four years of my life, one year apart from my family. At the time I was married with two children and that year overseas was the worst and best time I spent in the service of our great country.

I wasn't forced to join and if given the choice today, with the way things are today, I doubt I would volunteer for anything to do with government. Unless of course it meant helping vote out those now seated.

 

[Pure]

the salt mines are being readied for massive influx.

 

[Huckleman2000]

the salt mines are being readied for massive influx.

Indeed. Caesar is readying an edict to come forth.

 

[TxRad]

the salt mines are being readied for massive influx.

They are mechanized now. Four people can run the whole mining operation.

 

[Liar]

Egads people....read the writing on the wall!

I do. It says "Apply common sense to hysteric conspiracy theories, and they vanish in a puff of logic."

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

One of the many things my father taught me was never volunteer for anything...you'll do all the work and get none of the credit.

In this case, I wonder if one of the Public Service task assignments will be 'community organizing' eg: replacing ACORN in drumming up votes for Democrats.

Talk about Esau trading his birthright for a 'mess of pottage'...trading your youthful freedom to do some political drudge job in exchange for your college tuition, health care and other government goodies. Some trade. More like slavery. It's amazing how many people will beg, sit and fetch for a little perceived security.

Bet the farm what they dream up will be a cross between ACORN and Scientology.

 

[Huckleman2000]

One of the many things my father taught me was never volunteer for anything...you'll do all the work and get none of the credit.

This explains a lot, actually.

In this case, I wonder if one of the Public Service task assignments will be 'community organizing' eg: replacing ACORN in drumming up votes for Democrats.

Talk about Esau trading his birthright for a 'mess of pottage'...trading your youthful freedom to do some political drudge job in exchange for your college tuition, health care and other government goodies. Some trade. More like slavery. It's amazing how many people will beg, sit and fetch for a little perceived security.

Note, your whole rapture is simply your own little thought experiment, not reality.

But, yes, it is amazing how many people will "beg, sit and fetch for a little perceived security." I bet your father might have called that "a job".

 

[Pure]

we gotta thank the Youjul Yahoos, ami, te, 'n all.

first obama enslaved the doctors [ thousands of whom at going on strike any day now]

now he's coming after your kids in high school, asking that they 'volunteer' for community service. ha!

as well, there is a plan in the works to encourage selective abortions of white babies and require white to marry to non-white, for example a mexxy-kund.

 

[soflabbwlvr]

Do any of you have children?

If you did, you would know that many states already have mandatory service programs in place. Service is a condition of high school graduation or receiving state educational benefits. Florida requires students to complete 75 hours of community service to qualify for state educational programs. Most school districts require anywhere from 20 -75 hours in order to graduate. Service is required by public and private schools. Service is even required of home schooled children. Why aren't the tea baggers up in arms about these existing programs?

 

[Zeb_Carter]

If you did, you would know that many states already have mandatory service programs in place. Service is a condition of high school graduation or receiving state educational benefits. Florida requires students to complete 75 hours of community service to qualify for state educational programs. Most school districts require anywhere from 20 -75 hours in order to graduate. Service is required by public and private schools. Service is even required of home schooled children. Why aren't the tea baggers up in arms about these existing programs?

Do you have links to these "laws"? What is MOST? Who says they aren't?

 

[soflabbwlvr]

Do your own research

Do you have links to these "laws"? What is MOST? Who says they aren't?

I did not say most, I said many. Here a few links to articles describing various programs. Read them at your leisure. I don't have time to research the laws in all states, but if you look at the 2001 article and compare that to today, you can see that the trend is toward more states and school districts requiring service.

http://www.utm.edu/tncc/files/sl-policy-initiatives-50-states.pdf

http://www.publicschoolreview.com/articles/100

http://www.law.duke.edu/shell/cite.pl?62+Law+&+Contemp.+Probs.+113+(Autumn+1999)

This isn't new. It has been going on for decades.

 

[Smarmy_and_Sappe]

Although I think it should not be a political issue, Liberals will warm to mandatory public service for all and Conservatives will be up in arms against it. Would someone care to define why the two opposites see compulsory, mandatory public service so differently?

Amicus Veritas

We've had mandator public service before, it was called the draft.

 

[soflabbwlvr]

Do you have links to these "laws"? What is MOST? Who says they aren't?

I apoogize. The "most districts" I was referring to was in the State of Florida. I only found one district that did not require service for graduation.

 

[stephen55]

It's called the Ayn Rand Law of the Excluded Thought Process...

Although I think it should not be a political issue, Liberals will warm to mandatory public service for all and Conservatives will be up in arms against it. Would someone care to define why the two opposites see compulsory, mandatory public service so differently?

Amicus Veritas

ami, it's time to true up and change your moniker to Amicus Sophisma, friend of sophistry. That is, you are a true and loyal friend to the use of a subtle, tricky, superficially plausible, but generally a fallacious method of reasoning.

Although I think it should not be a political issue.... Bullshit!! Manufacturing issues, political or otherwise, as a source for more of your drivel is what you do.

Liberals will warm to mandatory public service for all...Bullshit!! Only Randroid Moronica could come up with this in-Ayn crap.

Conservatives will be up in arms against it...Just like Conservatives worked tirelessly to do away with the draft from the moment of it's inception.

Would someone care to define why the two opposites see compulsory, mandatory public service so differently?...Only morons answer rhetorical questions. Only an Intellectual Moron of Randroid status would be so pathetic as to pose such a facile question in the first place.

Facile in sense of "arrived at without due care, effort, or examination; superficial; readily manifested, together with an aura of insincerity and lack of depth."

If you could toss Randroidism long enough to see the real world, instead of the black and white caricature that you've chosen to inhabit, the one where all is either Rand or wrong...as if...maybe you could see the world of color that is reality. The one where people have all kinds of choices, political flavors, personal attitudes and ideas that exist between your two choices of I'm Rand and you're wrong.

There is a middle ground, surrounded by moderately this on one side and moderately that on the other. She's dead, ami. Her Objectivist moronicity should have died with her, but it's kind of like crabgrass...

 

[Kargan3033]

Hmm can't say I much like the sound of this, I think that public service should be a matter of choice and not an enforced law, after all the US is saposed to be the land of the FREE
Stephen55 who is this ayn rand you speak of, can't say I have heard of this person before.

 

[stephen55]

Ayn Rand, born Alisa Zinov'yevna Rosenbaum, was a...a...she's hard to describe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand

She wrote tedious novels about heroic men and women who strove to overcome the clinging bonds attached to them by...real people. From these novels she created a way of thinking (to her, it was the ULTIMATE ACHIEVEMENT of HUMAN REASON and PHILOSOPHY) she called Objectivism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivism_(Ayn_Rand)

She ran a cult and was your typical cult leader. That is, she was all about "Think and do as I say, not as I do."

Her number two man, Nathaniel Brandon, founded the Nathaniel Branden Institute to promote Rand's ideas. When Rand, the outspoken champion of true human morals and ethics, found out that Brandon was not only cheating with her, but on her, she excommunicated the guy.

Daniel J. Flynn, a very right wing author and commentator, has a chapter about her in his book, Intellectual Morons: How Ideology Makes Smart People Fall For Stupid Ideas. At the end of the chapter Flynn quotes a onetime friend of Rand, Edith Ephron who saw her as "manipulative", "repressed", and suffering from a "very complicated paranoia". Ephron goes on to say "there is no way to communicate how crazy she was."

Seeing as how Nathaniel Brandon, and his wife, were excommunicated by Rand, There is no more (and to a Randroid, there never was a) Nathaniel Branden Institute. Her idiocy is now carried on by the Ayn Rand Institute in Irvine, California.

http://www.aynrand.org

 

[Kargan3033]

Ayn Rand, born Alisa Zinov'yevna Rosenbaum, was a...a...she's hard to describe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand

She wrote tedious novels about heroic men and women who strove to overcome the clinging bonds attached to them by...real people. From these novels she created a way of thinking (to her, it was the ULTIMATE ACHIEVEMENT of HUMAN REASON and PHILOSOPHY) she called Objectivism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivism_(Ayn_Rand)

She ran a cult and was your typical cult leader. That is, she was all about "Think and do as I say, not as I do."

Her number two man, Nathaniel Brandon, founded the Nathaniel Branden Institute to promote Rand's ideas. When Rand, the outspoken champion of true human morals and ethics, found out that Brandon was not only cheating with her, but on her, she excommunicated the guy.

Daniel J. Flynn, a very right wing author and commentator, has a chapter about her in his book, Intellectual Morons: How Ideology Makes Smart People Fall For Stupid Ideas. At the end of the chapter Flynn quotes a onetime friend of Rand, Edith Ephron who saw her as "manipulative", "repressed", and suffering from a "very complicated paranoia". Ephron goes on to say "there is no way to communicate how crazy she was."

Seeing as how Nathaniel Brandon, and his wife, were excommunicated by Rand, There is no more (and to a Randroid, there never was a) Nathaniel Branden Institute. Her idiocy is now carried on by the Ayn Rand Institute in Irvine, California.

http://www.aynrand.org

Intresting and ayn rand was she a feminist?

 

[stephen55]

Please, please...it can't be....it can't...

Oh dramatic pause My dramatic pause God!!

The Ayn Rand Institute was founded by Dr. Leonard Peikoff, a former professor of philosophy and a former radio talk show host.

ami says that he was a radio talk show host....no...no...

Resistance is Futile!!