limitations and compromises vs. freedom of sexual expression

[ataxia.girl]

i'm toying with the idea of dropping the idea to my girls that they could auction off their virginity to pay for college. Some girl had an offer for 3 million.

Virginity doesn't really even exist. No reason not to exploit the fact that lots of men think it does. The whole concept of sexual purity and chastity is to keep women in their place.

i say women need to own their sexuality and use it to their advantage.

 

[Recidiva]

i'm toying with the idea of dropping the idea to my girls that they could auction off their virginity to pay for college. Some girl had an offer for 3 million.

Virginity doesn't really even exist. No reason not to exploit the fact that lots of men think it does. The whole concept of sexual purity and chastity is to keep women in their place.

i say women need to own their sexuality and use it to their advantage.

I'd discourage advising a woman to see herself as a commodity up for sale.

Virginity exists medically.

The mythological virginity doesn't exist except when bought as a fantasy, but again, encouraging someone to consider themselves a commodity or a fantasy wouldn't be a place I'd want to go or a burden to place on a human being.

Using something to your own advantage is different from preying off of someone's ignorance or using it to someone else's disadvantage.

 

[ataxia.girl]

Using something to your own advantage is different from preying off of someone's ignorance or using it to someone else's disadvantage.

No idea what you are talking about here. Female sexuality is on a pedestal where it really only benefits men. It used to protect women in as much as making sure they had support for the children they bore but in this day and age it makes less and less sense for society to control female sexuality at all.

 

[Recidiva]

No idea what you are talking about here. Female sexuality is on a pedestal where it really only benefits men. It used to protect women in as much as making sure they had support for the children they bore but in this day and age it makes less and less sense for society to control female sexuality at all.

Okay. You're talking about delusion and fantasy and attempting to profit from it. "Sticking it to men" the same way men have "stuck it to women."

If you know better than to prey on other human beings but you choose to do so anyway, it makes you worse than someone who doesn't know better. You can't turn the instrument of the torturer from hundreds of years ago against a modern male. That's just perpetuating the myth.

You're using the oppressive fantasy and attempting to use it against those who have it. You're not speaking like someone who doesn't buy into the fantasy at all.

Do you know better or don't you?

You don't need to be controlled sexually, you just need to control yourself.

 

[ataxia.girl]

Okay. You're talking about delusion and fantasy and attempting to profit from it. "Sticking it to men" the same way men have "tuck it to women."

If you know better than to prey on other human beings but you choose to do so anyway, it makes you worse than someone who doesn't know better. You can't turn the instrument of the torturer from hundreds of years ago against a modern male. That's just perpetuating the myth.

You're using the oppressive fantasy and attempting to use it against those who have it. You're not speaking like someone who doesn't buy into the fantasy at all.

Do you know better or don't you?

You don't need to be controlled sexually, you just need to control yourself.

How do i benefit exactly if i take this moral high road?

In other words, who benefits the most from me controlling myself?

 

[Recidiva]

How do i benefit exactly if i take this moral high road?

In other words, who benefits the most from me controlling myself?

Knowing that you're better than a dollar bill or a myth that doesn't apply to you.

Having a self worth that isn't defined by someone else's image of it that you buy into, when it ultimately is destructive for everyone involved.

Thinking better thoughts about yourself than others have thought for you.

Never having to apologize for lowballing yourself or being ashamed of behaving in a way that you despise. In short, don't let hatred and abuse turn you into a hateful abuser. Rise above.

The profit isn't counted in dollars.

 

[ataxia.girl]

Except that i don't think its shameful. You do.

i think you are misunderstanding the fact that prostitutes know they are exploiting a myth that is not reality.

What is virginity worth today?

 

[Recidiva]

Except that i don't think its shameful. You do.

i think you are misunderstanding the fact that prostitutes know they are exploiting a myth that is not reality.

What is virginity worth today?

No, I don't think prostitution is shameful at all. I think it should be legal.

What I'm saying is - do you think your virginity is worth three million dollars?

I don't. I think it's preying on someone's belief system.

Do you think a virginity that doesn't exist to you is worth three million?

It's a con. If you want to be a con artist, cool. But don't frame it in righteous terminology.

 

[ataxia.girl]

No, I don't think prostitution is shameful at all. I think it should be legal.

What I'm saying is - do you think your virginity is worth three million dollars?

I don't. I think it's preying on someone's belief system.

Do you think a virginity that doesn't exist to you is worth three million?

It's a con. If you want to be a con artist, cool. But don't frame it in righteous terminology.

Uhhhh anyone who can afford to pay 3 million dollars for someone's virginity does not need to be protected by the virgin.

Sorry. That's just silly.

Also... when the fuck did i use righteous terminology?

 

[Recidiva]

Uhhhh anyone who can afford to pay 3 million dollars for someone's virginity does not need to be protected by the virgin.

Sorry. That's just silly.

Just because someone's rich doesn't mean they're not a moron.

And if you want to prey on the rich and stupid, I don't see that's much different than preying on the weak and innocent.

 

[ataxia.girl]

What is acutely interesting to me is that you think prostitution should be legal but charging a rate for virgin sex should not be determined by the free market.

How do you justify that exactly?

If i'm selling something i'm going to sell it for the highest price i can get. That's just business.

 

[Recidiva]

The whole concept of sexual purity and chastity is to keep women in their place.

i say women need to own their sexuality and use it to their advantage.

Also... when the fuck did i use righteous terminology?

The "righteous terminology" to me is you masking a get rich quick scheme in some justification of social equality.

I wouldn't be having this argument if I didn't think you were smart, eloquent, and worth more than 3 mil on Ebay.

 

[ataxia.girl]

Just because someone's rich doesn't mean they're not a moron.

And if you want to prey on the rich and stupid, I don't see that's much different than preying on the weak and innocent.

So let me get this straight. Its okay for me to prostitute my virginity but if the AUCTION i'm doing it in gets above a certain amount of money it becomes wrong and i'm taking advantage of people???

That is seriously illogical.

 

[Recidiva]

What is acutely interesting to me is that you think prostitution should be legal but charging a rate for virgin sex should not be determined by the free market.

How do you justify that exactly?

If i'm selling something i'm going to sell it for the highest price i can get. That's just business.

Prostitution should be legal and at reasonable rates.

3 million isn't reasonable.

And once you start having sex for money you lose your amateur ranking and you're open to criticism that isn't really valid at an amateur ranking.

And if you're really a virgin, shouldn't you be considered an amateur until you're not?

 

[Recidiva]

So let me get this straight. Its okay for me to prostitute my virginity but if the AUCTION i'm doing it in gets above a certain amount of money it becomes wrong and i'm taking advantage of people???

That is seriously illogical.

Well, what do you think it's worth? Ballpark.

 

[ataxia.girl]

The "righteous terminology" to me is you masking a get rich quick scheme in some justification of social equality.

I wouldn't be having this argument if I didn't think you were smart, eloquent, and worth more than 3 mil on Ebay.

i didn't consider this to be justification of social equality. It's just common sense. Society is what it is.

i don't see prostitution as shameful or wrong therefore i think it should get the highest price people will pay for it like any other service.

Get female sexuality off the pedestal and in the hands of the individual woman.

 

[ataxia.girl]

Well, what do you think it's worth? Ballpark.

Whatever someone will pay for it. Like anything else.

i wouldn't pay anything for it.

 

[ataxia.girl]

Prostitution should be legal and at reasonable rates.

3 million isn't reasonable.

And once you start having sex for money you lose your amateur ranking and you're open to criticism that isn't really valid at an amateur ranking.

And if you're really a virgin, shouldn't you be considered an amateur until you're not?

So let's say i take my virginity to Southerby's. Are you telling me i should stop the auction if it gets too high because i'm taking advantage of the bidders?

i'm sorry but that is their problem, not mine. If i go up there willing to take $1000 and they bid it up to 3 million that is not my concern.

 

[Recidiva]

i didn't consider this to be justification of social equality. It's just common sense. Society is what it is.

i don't see prostitution as shameful or wrong therefore i think it should get the highest price people will pay for it like any other service.

Get female sexuality off the pedestal and in the hands of the individual woman.

Female sexuality is already in the hands of the women who have taken it into their own hands.

If virginity is a commodity then it has a value, sure. But business also has to do with workable ventures and repeat and sustainable practices.

Sure, become a good prostitute, live somewhere that it's legal and charge a decent rate.

But it's just huckster bullshit to sell a "magical" virginity that you don't believe in.

I feel the same way about New Age people who sell quartz crystals for $200 bucks because they are magic.

It's a crystal, fine. Putting the magical tag on it and overcharging just makes it fraud.

If you already know it's just a thin membrane of flesh, why seek out the dumbasses who believe differently and scalp them?

 

[Recidiva]

Whatever someone will pay for it. Like anything else.

i wouldn't pay anything for it.

Okay. And that's the business thing here. Honest businesses don't sell things they know are inherently valueless.

I don't believe in The Rapture either. It's fine that people believe in The Rapture, but the businesses that sell their "We'll take care of your pets after the rapture" and charge rates for it...fraud.

 

[ataxia.girl]

If you already know it's just a thin membrane of flesh, why seek out the dumbasses who believe differently and scalp them?

Sorry, i'm not stopping the auction because the bidders are stupid. Not my problem.

 

[Recidiva]

Sorry, i'm not stopping the auction because the bidders are stupid. Not my problem.

Okay. Just be an honest con person when called on it. It's not to strike a blow for womankind, it's to make a buck. Fine.

 

[ataxia.girl]

Okay. Just be an honest con person when called on it. It's not to strike a blow for womankind, it's to make a buck. Fine.

i don't remember saying it wasn't a con. i actually mentioned in the post where i first brought up auctioning off virginity that virginity doesn't really exist. i even used the word "exploit" when talking about men believing in the myth of virginity.

i think you read a crusade in my words that was not there.

Its not like i'm suggesting selling snake oil to the huddled masses. If some rich dude wants to blow 3 million to pop a cherry i am not going to feel guilty about it.

 

[Recidiva]

i don't remember saying it wasn't a con. i actually mentioned in the post where i first brought up auctioning off virginity that virginity doesn't really exist. i even used the word "exploit" when talking about men believing in the myth of virginity.

i think you read a crusade in my words that was not there.

Its not like i'm suggesting selling snake oil to the huddled masses. If some rich dude wants to blow 3 million to pop a cherry i am not going to feel guilty about it.

Okay. I'd feel guilty about it. Cool conversation and thanks for not stomping off.

 

[ataxia.girl]

I'd discourage advising a woman to see herself as a commodity up for sale.

Virginity exists medically.

The mythological virginity doesn't exist except when bought as a fantasy, but again, encouraging someone to consider themselves a commodity or a fantasy wouldn't be a place I'd want to go or a burden to place on a human being.

i don't buy that you actually think prostitution is okay. Also i am not defined solely by my sexuality or my virginity. It is an event that happens either once or in stages.

i can do with it what i choose. i simply do not see it as degrading or shameful to auction the event off.