Whats beind this kink?

[YourCaptor]

I'm not even sure what its called.

People who want to be used as toilets, be covered in excrements, live in human waist, walk around in their own filth all day.

What is the turn on? I would especially love to hear form someone who is into some of this stuff.

Some guesses, lack of control over ones own bodily function, humiliation, degradation, objectification, regression to a baby like state.

I'm not sure how those tie into it, just sound like they would fit.

So, anyone know some info?

 

[Shalrath]

Scat, specifically the "Human Toilet" side of it. There's more info around on the internet than you'll know what to do with, although searching for it will being up some pretty shit (!) sites. Hopefully the kind people of Lit/BDSM will have some links to more intelligent sites. Oooh, actually, RedRight's site is still around, he's always useful:

ARGH FOR FUCKING HELL'S SAKE WHAT THE FUCK IS IT ON THIS SITE WITH SOME CUNTING CODE THAT CENSORS THE W1NTERNET DOMAIN FOR NO FUCKING REASON?!?!?! PILE OF CUNT.


Right having spent 10 minutes trying to post a direct link to Red's site (and unfortunately I can't find a way to break the stupid censorship code), you'll have to use this:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=redright+scatsite&meta=

(the path ahead is obvious)

 

[VelvetDarkness]

The posh name is Coprophilia. You might want to use that when searching for info.

As for the motivation/sexual kick?

Some people think that scat & pissplay are similar sports and I enjoy being pissed on by Master, if he's in that kind of mood. It does objectify and degrade me but those are highly subjective terms when used within a consensual and loving relationship. I feel humiliated but at the same time I also know he loves me. In that moment, the two are not mutually exclusive emotions.

Scat however, is more of a health risk and far less palatable, like rainbow (vomit). I think the need to be degraded and defiled by the PYL is a very strong, deep running and (ok flame me) probably unhealthy impulse stemming from past life issues or events. Being a willing human toilet is perhaps one of the most degrading acts a person can commit, far more so than being passed around the room to suck cock or whatever.

I know that excrement has been used throughout the ages to degrade and humiliate. Prisoners have also been known to cover themselves in excrement as a protest or to illustrate that they can be degraded no further. For most of us, it is a personal defilement that strikes at the core of our being, possibly in the way many hetero men would respond to being anally raped by a guy. It is one of the few acts that can truly devalue and demoralise a person and so I can see how it has become an extreme fetish in powerplay dynamics.

 

[eastern sun]

There's the degrading aspect. And the way it pushes people away, reinforcing a kind of social isolation. And then there's the texture, the warmth and the smell. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it's not always unpleasant (especially if it's your own.) And to touch someone else's excrement is an intimate experience.

You'd be surprised how many two year olds couldn't care less about the shit in their diapers. It's only their mothers that make them clean themselves. And a lot of kids like to touch their "poopie." Their mother's horrified face probably does more to indicate that this is a "no-no" than any pre-programmed disgust.

It's also interesting, though, that girls are more likely to ask to have their diapers changed than boys. We moms figure it's a biological difference because of the higher risk of internal infections.

Most kids grow out of this by the age of 3 or 4, but it isn't that hard to imagine someone who doesn't.

It's also interesting to note that other kids are genuinely disgusted when one of their comrades shits his pants, especially on a regular basis. Remember that kid? Most of us fall into the "ew gross" camp by grade school, roundly rejecting the smelly one. But incorporating that social identity into your sexuality, and/or sexualizing that social isolation, could be pretty intense and offer some measure of pleasure in circumstances that you may feel you cannot control.

 

[Netzach]

Why anything? You'll get as many answers as there are people into it on this question.

 

[Netzach]

Scat however, is more of a health risk and far less palatable, like rainbow (vomit). I think the need to be degraded and defiled by the PYL is a very strong, deep running and (ok flame me) probably unhealthy impulse stemming from past life issues or events. Being a willing human toilet is perhaps one of the most degrading acts a person can commit, far more so than being passed around the room to suck cock or whatever.

Those are your feelings. I know people who would rather eat shit than touch cock. I knew someone in a more or less vanilla relationship whose guy got off on the whole saran wrap thing because of some kind of intimate sensuality that eludes me, but not them apparently.

 

[BiBunny]

As for me, I'm a humiliation junkie. I have no shame, so there's very little that humiliates me in the first place. You kind of have to go to the out there end of the spectrum to get a reaction out of me.

Most of the things I hear other people talk about and call "humiliating" bore me, honestly. I acknowledge that that makes me fucked up. But the standard "Master took me to a restaurant and made me go take my panties off in the bathroom, OMG" thing is just...lame. I used to stop talking to guys when they mentioned that kind of thing as their idea of humiliation. I mean, I'm the kind of girl who would come out of the bathroom twirling my drawers around my finger and grinning at the other patrons.

Humiliation, to me, is a much deeper and more intimate thing than most of the crap they write erotic fiction about. I require people to get into my head and use what they find there against me. I am much more receptive to someone saying, "I have no idea what I'd use to humiliate you until I get to know you better," than throwing out tired old porn cliches.

The fact that he can bring me that low and still want me near him is...I don't know what it is. Some kind of raw, pure emotion. And, as eastern sun mentioned, to touch someone else's excrement is an intimate experience.

It's not something done often. But when we do it, it's powerful.

 

[Lizzie_Borden]

Humiliation, to me, is a much deeper and more intimate thing than most of the crap they write erotic fiction about. I require people to get into my head and use what they find there against me.

God. Yes.

 

[cuk_let]

Another thing to consider: The pleasant feelings associated with pooping. For guys, it is nature's prostate massage. There is a sense of boundless serenity sometimes. I know that sounds funny, but its true. So maybe this fetish isn't only about poop as a humiliation, but also about poop as a way of getting to this boundless state. Poop play isn't my thing, but boundless states are nice. I used to have erotic dreams about being tied in the bottom of a female-only outhouse, and I would wake up feeling alive and tingling.

 

[HappyMisha]

Most of the things I hear other people talk about and call "humiliating" bore me, honestly. I acknowledge that that makes me fucked up. But the standard "Master took me to a restaurant and made me go take my panties off in the bathroom, OMG" thing is just...lame. I used to stop talking to guys when they mentioned that kind of thing as their idea of humiliation. I mean, I'm the kind of girl who would come out of the bathroom twirling my drawers around my finger and grinning at the other patrons.

Humiliation, to me, is a much deeper and more intimate thing than most of the crap they write erotic fiction about. (snip)

Oh so true.

 

[YourCaptor]

Ok, I have a few basic things figured out. Sorry if I don’t quote everyone, I hope you don’t mind.

So far what I got is that when scat is involved it is mostly not viewed like the general population does. As in shit is not the disgusting thing you don’t want any dealings with. I assume it takes some effort to get over that, so, deductively that is not the appeal. On a side note it can become appealing as well.

However that assumption only deals with the physical aspects of it, the social stigma may still apply. Hence dealing with scat is not just like playing with another object, it’s an object that carries severe social disapproval attached to it. Simply touching scat can be enough to light up someone’s brain with thousands of thoughts and feelings.

Part of it I’m thinking may be just that, arousal, not sexual but general, like driving really fast will arouse you into an active state. But of course the human mind is creative and can develop it into a sexual arousal as well.

Undergoing something so taboo with a partner can be a bonding activity too. You are together in an activity that would have anyone else leave you.

Smearing and consuming could be the same stuff, just pushing limits.

So, in short, it’s thrilling and promotes intimacy.

But that’s all the obvious, I mean that’s basically the definition of BDSM.

Something is still missing.

Like why do some people refer to it in baby terms, is that just a way to cope with the unpleasant aspects. You know like medicine calling it a BM.

I still think helplessness ties in somehow.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

the social stigma may still apply ... Like why do some people refer to it in baby terms, is that just a way to cope with the unpleasant aspects. You know like medicine calling it a BM.

I still think helplessness ties in somehow.

You've pretty much answered your own question with the quoted. Social stigma pops the top. Watch a baby after it loads a diaper. Most don't toss a fit until the load becomes uncomfortable, i.e. changes temp, begins to irritate the skin, etc. The baby usually doesn't recoil from what we adults sense as stench then pile all we know as "not good" about excrement upon that initial sensing/ID process. In short, babies don't know shit until they learn from their caregivers.

Now compare that to how you've seen animals react. They either don't give a shit, roll in it, or piss/shit on top of it. You'll rarely see a wrinkled nose followed by hysteric(s){al cleaning}. i've seen a few herbivores beat feet in the other direction when coming upon a carnivore's scat from upwind, but that's avoidance of the depositer, not the deposited.

 

[Netzach]

You've pretty much answered your own question with the quoted. Social stigma pops the top. Watch a baby after it loads a diaper. Most don't toss a fit until the load becomes uncomfortable, i.e. changes temp, begins to irritate the skin, etc. The baby usually doesn't recoil from what we adults sense as stench then pile all we know as "not good" about excrement upon that initial sensing/ID process. In short, babies don't know shit until they learn from their caregivers.

Now compare that to how you've seen animals react. They either don't give a shit, roll in it, or piss/shit on top of it. You'll rarely see a wrinkled nose followed by hysteric(s){al cleaning}. i've seen a few herbivores beat feet in the other direction when coming upon a carnivore's scat from upwind, but that's avoidance of the depositer, not the deposited.

Cats bury it. I think they're onto something, but I'm not inherently a fan.

Then again, their rather horrific pee is their idea of decor.

 

[ecstaticsub]

Cats bury it. I think they're onto something, but I'm not inherently a fan.

Then again, their rather horrific pee is their idea of decor.

My cat is 19 years old and has never buried her shit. My other cats did. Very odd, I wonder if that means she is kinky?

 

[YourCaptor]

You've pretty much answered your own question with the quoted. Social stigma pops the top. Watch a baby after it loads a diaper. Most don't toss a fit until the load becomes uncomfortable, i.e. changes temp, begins to irritate the skin, etc. The baby usually doesn't recoil from what we adults sense as stench then pile all we know as "not good" about excrement upon that initial sensing/ID process. In short, babies don't know shit until they learn from their caregivers.

Now compare that to how you've seen animals react. They either don't give a shit, roll in it, or piss/shit on top of it. You'll rarely see a wrinkled nose followed by hysteric(s){al cleaning}. i've seen a few herbivores beat feet in the other direction when coming upon a carnivore's scat from upwind, but that's avoidance of the depositer, not the deposited.

Babies don't know shit period. Human babies are probably the most helpless things on the planet.

I would also not make the purely socialized argument as behavior relevant to scat is rather consistent across cultures. Its human instinct to want it away from you.

 

[YourCaptor]

My cat is 19 years old and has never buried her shit. My other cats did. Very odd, I wonder if that means she is kinky?

Your other cat buries the ancient cats shit?

Could be a service thing.

 

[ecstaticsub]

Your other cat buries the ancient cats shit?

Could be a service thing.

Could be, though I've never known a cat to be in service to anyone but themselves.