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sternbuzz

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I'm pretty new to the Literotica world but have been interested in some areas of kink/fetish for years. I was mostly a lurker on Fetlife for awhile, and was an early adopter of Feeld back when hardly anybody used it. I consider myself someone who dabbles in this world; someone who's pretty open-minded and mostly taboo-free but I'm not an expert and I definitely shy away from using super specific labels to express my sexuality other than cishet. Some days I feel more submissive, others I feel more dominant. Most of my relationships and sexual experiences still remain pretty vanilla. But I like the self-expressive side of sex and the idea I can dive into society's sexual taboos in a safe and positive manner with like-minded people.

But I wanted to vent a bit about what I don't like about this world, and see if some of my frustrations resonate with anyone. I'm also open to being wrong, or maybe just misunderstanding some things. Perhaps I'll learn something from putting my thoughts out there?

I think my primary frustration is the overwhelming amount of submissive heterosexual women who are actually seeking service tops, or are mostly seeking to top from the bottom. This is quite common on Feeld. To be clear, there's nothing actually wrong with seeking that. Topping from the bottom is a perfectly fine thing to do/seek. But the manner in which it is expressed or explained almost always leaves out the part about how the Dom is actually only there to fulfill her needs as opposed to his own. Additionally, the Dom she seeks is always "experienced" which makes the dating profile look more like a job listing.

Related to this is an additional frustration I have around American society, but can apply to many cultures, that stigmatizes sex work. When I read a woman's profile who seeks an experienced Dom with all sorts of specific capabilities, I can't help but think she should probably pay for that. But she won't because unlike getting gagged or spanked, she sees paying for sex as beyond the pale, or perhaps only for desperate incels.

As someone who's recently become more interested in a BDSM type of relationship, I find it rare to see a submissive woman centering a desire to serve, please, or be lead. Most often it's merely a roleplay she seeks, where she can let go of her usual (and often Type-A) self and perform something that if it wasn't a just a game or acting, she would find reprehensible.

Maybe there's a selection bias in my sample. Maybe the women on apps are more inclined to be assertive about their wants, and truly submissive types wouldn't put that out there?
 
I have the most amazing husband, a special darling boy online, chat with a few men who a friends, and have a IRL Dom.

The problem you are running into is common. Not just with women seeking Doms, but also very much so with anyone seeking anyone for a relationship. A woman's submission is her gift to give anyone she chooses. and she should be choosy about who she give that submission to. She needs to have someone who can and will take care of her, and that isn't every guy that lurks online. Submission requires trust and that is slow to unfold.

But the problem isn't the women that is listing what she is interested in finding. If you don't ask you have no chance of receiving.

Even a submissive woman should have a list of limits. the HELL nos, the soft limits, the maybes.
but along the same line they should have a list of things they want to experience. having a stack of fantasies written down and saying they want EXACTLY what is written and nothing else would be a red flag for many Doms.

But a man saying he want you to submit to me completely, without discussing limits and wants, especially if he has not tried any of this before would be a huge red flag to me also.

If I mis read or mis understood your post, please accept my apology.
 
Eh, it's not just women. It's most people who label themselves as submissive. This is godawfully rampant in the Femdom community, for example.

I think a lot of people just don't really know or understand the words Top and bottom, or else they want to sound edgier by calling themselves submissive when they aren't. But I think more often, it's that they don't realize being a Top or a bottom is a thing.

The general rule of thumb, I've found, is that most people want to be done unto, but they like to frame it as serving you. I am a phone sex operator who mostly does Domme work, and the number of times I've heard "I want to do x for you, Mistress when all I want is for them to send me $500 and fuck off.... :rolleyes:
 
Eh, it's not just women. It's most people who label themselves as submissive. This is godawfully rampant in the Femdom community, for example.

I think a lot of people just don't really know or understand the words Top and bottom, or else they want to sound edgier by calling themselves submissive when they aren't. But I think more often, it's that they don't realize being a Top or a bottom is a thing.

The general rule of thumb, I've found, is that most people want to be done unto, but they like to frame it as serving you. I am a phone sex operator who mostly does Domme work, and the number of times I've heard "I want to do x for you, Mistress when all I want is for them to send me $500 and fuck off.... :rolleyes:
That makes a lot of sense. At times myself, in my moments of "submissiveness," I really just want to be a passenger in the encounter while she takes the lead, which is ultimately a pretty selfish desire on my part. But I try to remain aware of that rather than dressing it up as being giving.
 
I just had a conversation with the Dom tonight. Were discussing what I liked best about our recent meeting.
He asked if I liked having my tits spanked.
My response was "honestly I like other things more. But it isn't about what I like."
Being a sub doesn't mean not having preferences. It's just not putting your preferences on the top of the list. A good Dom will indulge you often enough.

I personally struggle in this newer relationship of asking for what I want.
 
I'm pretty new to the Literotica world but have been interested in some areas of kink/fetish for years. I was mostly a lurker on Fetlife for awhile, and was an early adopter of Feeld back when hardly anybody used it. I consider myself someone who dabbles in this world; someone who's pretty open-minded and mostly taboo-free but I'm not an expert and I definitely shy away from using super specific labels to express my sexuality other than cishet. Some days I feel more submissive, others I feel more dominant. Most of my relationships and sexual experiences still remain pretty vanilla. But I like the self-expressive side of sex and the idea I can dive into society's sexual taboos in a safe and positive manner with like-minded people.

But I wanted to vent a bit about what I don't like about this world, and see if some of my frustrations resonate with anyone. I'm also open to being wrong, or maybe just misunderstanding some things. Perhaps I'll learn something from putting my thoughts out there?

I think my primary frustration is the overwhelming amount of submissive heterosexual women who are actually seeking service tops, or are mostly seeking to top from the bottom. This is quite common on Feeld. To be clear, there's nothing actually wrong with seeking that. Topping from the bottom is a perfectly fine thing to do/seek. But the manner in which it is expressed or explained almost always leaves out the part about how the Dom is actually only there to fulfill her needs as opposed to his own. Additionally, the Dom she seeks is always "experienced" which makes the dating profile look more like a job listing.

Related to this is an additional frustration I have around American society, but can apply to many cultures, that stigmatizes sex work. When I read a woman's profile who seeks an experienced Dom with all sorts of specific capabilities, I can't help but think she should probably pay for that. But she won't because unlike getting gagged or spanked, she sees paying for sex as beyond the pale, or perhaps only for desperate incels.

As someone who's recently become more interested in a BDSM type of relationship, I find it rare to see a submissive woman centering a desire to serve, please, or be lead. Most often it's merely a roleplay she seeks, where she can let go of her usual (and often Type-A) self and perform something that if it wasn't a just a game or acting, she would find reprehensible.

Maybe there's a selection bias in my sample. Maybe the women on apps are more inclined to be assertive about their wants, and truly submissive types wouldn't put that out there?
does it matter?

More people communicating, fucking and getting off can only make better sex lives, regardless of how it’s communicated, done or described. JMO.
 
I have the most amazing husband, a special darling boy online, chat with a few men who a friends, and have a IRL Dom.

The problem you are running into is common. Not just with women seeking Doms, but also very much so with anyone seeking anyone for a relationship. A woman's submission is her gift to give anyone she chooses. and she should be choosy about who she give that submission to. She needs to have someone who can and will take care of her, and that isn't every guy that lurks online. Submission requires trust and that is slow to unfold.

But the problem isn't the women that is listing what she is interested in finding. If you don't ask you have no chance of receiving.

Even a submissive woman should have a list of limits. the HELL nos, the soft limits, the maybes.
but along the same line they should have a list of things they want to experience. having a stack of fantasies written down and saying they want EXACTLY what is written and nothing else would be a red flag for many Doms.

But a man saying he want you to submit to me completely, without discussing limits and wants, especially if he has not tried any of this before would be a huge red flag to me also.

If I mis read or mis understood your post, please accept my apology.
That is very well written
 
I'm pretty new to the Literotica world but have been interested in some areas of kink/fetish for years. I was mostly a lurker on Fetlife for awhile, and was an early adopter of Feeld back when hardly anybody used it. I consider myself someone who dabbles in this world; someone who's pretty open-minded and mostly taboo-free but I'm not an expert and I definitely shy away from using super specific labels to express my sexuality other than cishet. Some days I feel more submissive, others I feel more dominant. Most of my relationships and sexual experiences still remain pretty vanilla. But I like the self-expressive side of sex and the idea I can dive into society's sexual taboos in a safe and positive manner with like-minded people.

But I wanted to vent a bit about what I don't like about this world, and see if some of my frustrations resonate with anyone. I'm also open to being wrong, or maybe just misunderstanding some things. Perhaps I'll learn something from putting my thoughts out there?

I think my primary frustration is the overwhelming amount of submissive heterosexual women who are actually seeking service tops, or are mostly seeking to top from the bottom. This is quite common on Feeld. To be clear, there's nothing actually wrong with seeking that. Topping from the bottom is a perfectly fine thing to do/seek. But the manner in which it is expressed or explained almost always leaves out the part about how the Dom is actually only there to fulfill her needs as opposed to his own. Additionally, the Dom she seeks is always "experienced" which makes the dating profile look more like a job listing.

Related to this is an additional frustration I have around American society, but can apply to many cultures, that stigmatizes sex work. When I read a woman's profile who seeks an experienced Dom with all sorts of specific capabilities, I can't help but think she should probably pay for that. But she won't because unlike getting gagged or spanked, she sees paying for sex as beyond the pale, or perhaps only for desperate incels.

As someone who's recently become more interested in a BDSM type of relationship, I find it rare to see a submissive woman centering a desire to serve, please, or be lead. Most often it's merely a roleplay she seeks, where she can let go of her usual (and often Type-A) self and perform something that if it wasn't a just a game or acting, she would find reprehensible.

Maybe there's a selection bias in my sample. Maybe the women on apps are more inclined to be assertive about their wants, and truly submissive types wouldn't put that out
I switch with men and women and a few trans. All subs do this. They want their fantasies fulfilled and there’s nothing wrong with that. If your sub partner wants things, make her earn them.
 
In my humble opinion it's certainly important to discuss needs and desires with your dominant. It's a problem when you begin to feel entitled. A good Dom will provide what you need but in a time and manner that He feels is best for you and the relationship. When you begin topping from the bottom to manipulate when your desires are met is when it becomes an issue.

I have recently been made aware of such actions by my Master. Not because I had such desires but that I did them selfishly and outside of His guidance and control.

There really is no other type of relationship where your such a reflection of your partner and its critically important to remember that.
 
I just had a conversation with the Dom tonight. Were discussing what I liked best about our recent meeting.
He asked if I liked having my tits spanked.
My response was "honestly I like other things more. But it isn't about what I like."
Being a sub doesn't mean not having preferences. It's just not putting your preferences on the top of the list. A good Dom will indulge you often enough.

I personally struggle in this newer relationship of asking for what I want.
I think you responded perfectly to his query about liking having your tits spanked. I don't think 24/7 D/s is a perfect thing. When NOT in D/s...that is the time in my humble opinion to say what it IS that you like best and desire. You are right..a good Dom will indulge you enough!
 
@emme8 put it in one sentence: If you don't ask you have no chance of receiving.
A sub submits because she wants to get something out of submission. Submission is a means, not an end in itself.

If a sub keeps asking and controlling, the something can be amiss. The source may lie with the sub or the dom.

For every submissive out there who is not really submissive and just follows the fad, there is a dom who is not really dominant.
 
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I have had a version of this conversation with male friends. Though in a much more vanilla context.

I think they, and you, are right that modern dating is, in some significant aspects, unfair to men (there are things that suck about being a woman in the dating pool too - both can be true). I think I even empathise with a lot of the complaints.

But, speaking as a woman, I'd really really feel a lot better if the complainers would acknowledge that their complaints are about society. You know, the structural issues at play. The things that we, as individuals, are not realistically in a position to change.

Because without that acknowledgement. And I mean a really clear spelling out of the thing. I can't help but feel an expectation is being put on me to change my behavior to make things more "fair" for the men who might date me. And that is deeply unfair to me! I do not date, or play, because it's some civic duty. I do it because I want to. And I sure hope I don't need to explain why anything other than that would be a dystopian nightmare!
 
I have had a version of this conversation with male friends. Though in a much more vanilla context.

I think they, and you, are right that modern dating is, in some significant aspects, unfair to men (there are things that suck about being a woman in the dating pool too - both can be true). I think I even empathise with a lot of the complaints.

But, speaking as a woman, I'd really really feel a lot better if the complainers would acknowledge that their complaints are about society. You know, the structural issues at play. The things that we, as individuals, are not realistically in a position to change.

Because without that acknowledgement. And I mean a really clear spelling out of the thing. I can't help but feel an expectation is being put on me to change my behavior to make things more "fair" for the men who might date me. And that is deeply unfair to me! I do not date, or play, because it's some civic duty. I do it because I want to. And I sure hope I don't need to explain why anything other than that would be a dystopian nightmare!
Really well said, it’s also unfortunate that men (and I include myself) still don’t fully appreciate the much more significant risk factors that women have to navigate. I still get amazed by some of the stories of male behavior that i hear from women I’m close to.
 
I'm pretty new to the Literotica world but have been interested in some areas of kink/fetish for years. I was mostly a lurker on Fetlife for awhile, and was an early adopter of Feeld back when hardly anybody used it. I consider myself someone who dabbles in this world; someone who's pretty open-minded and mostly taboo-free but I'm not an expert and I definitely shy away from using super specific labels to express my sexuality other than cishet. Some days I feel more submissive, others I feel more dominant. Most of my relationships and sexual experiences still remain pretty vanilla. But I like the self-expressive side of sex and the idea I can dive into society's sexual taboos in a safe and positive manner with like-minded people.

But I wanted to vent a bit about what I don't like about this world, and see if some of my frustrations resonate with anyone. I'm also open to being wrong, or maybe just misunderstanding some things. Perhaps I'll learn something from putting my thoughts out there?

I think my primary frustration is the overwhelming amount of submissive heterosexual women who are actually seeking service tops, or are mostly seeking to top from the bottom. This is quite common on Feeld. To be clear, there's nothing actually wrong with seeking that. Topping from the bottom is a perfectly fine thing to do/seek. But the manner in which it is expressed or explained almost always leaves out the part about how the Dom is actually only there to fulfill her needs as opposed to his own. Additionally, the Dom she seeks is always "experienced" which makes the dating profile look more like a job listing.

Related to this is an additional frustration I have around American society, but can apply to many cultures, that stigmatizes sex work. When I read a woman's profile who seeks an experienced Dom with all sorts of specific capabilities, I can't help but think she should probably pay for that. But she won't because unlike getting gagged or spanked, she sees paying for sex as beyond the pale, or perhaps only for desperate incels.

As someone who's recently become more interested in a BDSM type of relationship, I find it rare to see a submissive woman centering a desire to serve, please, or be lead. Most often it's merely a roleplay she seeks, where she can let go of her usual (and often Type-A) self and perform something that if it wasn't a just a game or acting, she would find reprehensible.

Maybe there's a selection bias in my sample. Maybe the women on apps are more inclined to be assertive about their wants, and truly submissive types wouldn't put that out there?
All of that is very common and true for most submissives. I've acted this way myself though some Dom/mes have said I don't always try to get my own needs fulfilled, I'm happy to submit to most things my Dom/me wants. They were happy enough to own me and some didn't work out since it was online and I can't be there 24/7.

It's true this is all too common in the femdom world too, and I could make the same argument that a man's submission is also a gift he gives and he should be picky.

Both malesubs and femsubs should have their own desires but they should definitely try not to overwhelm their Dom/mes desires with their own unless they're really looking to top from the bottom and their sex partner is okay with that.

Domination is control, discipline and obedience, not full and mindless control at all. Unless you're into a TPE relationship which I actually wouldn't mind if some of my hobbies and work aren't affected.

Also, one thing I never see discussed is aftercare for dominants. They need the same reassurance that they're supposed to give their submissives that they did things right and there's nothing wrong with them. If you're submissive, you don't have to blabber, but talk to your dominant and make sure you say you love them (if you do), that they did their job well and you'd love to submit to them again because they knew what they were doing, they really turned you on and whether you came or not, it was thrilling to give up ownership of your body to them. Same as what you'd expect from them. Simple acts like that will make them want to be more dominant and if you're in love, fall in love with you deeper.

You should expect aftercare from your dominant too, yes, but be sure to give what you get and expect no matter your orientation and dynamic.
 
I'm pretty new to the Literotica world but have been interested in some areas of kink/fetish for years. I was mostly a lurker on Fetlife for awhile, and was an early adopter of Feeld back when hardly anybody used it. I consider myself someone who dabbles in this world; someone who's pretty open-minded and mostly taboo-free but I'm not an expert and I definitely shy away from using super specific labels to express my sexuality other than cishet. Some days I feel more submissive, others I feel more dominant. Most of my relationships and sexual experiences still remain pretty vanilla. But I like the self-expressive side of sex and the idea I can dive into society's sexual taboos in a safe and positive manner with like-minded people.

But I wanted to vent a bit about what I don't like about this world, and see if some of my frustrations resonate with anyone. I'm also open to being wrong, or maybe just misunderstanding some things. Perhaps I'll learn something from putting my thoughts out there?

I think my primary frustration is the overwhelming amount of submissive heterosexual women who are actually seeking service tops, or are mostly seeking to top from the bottom. This is quite common on Feeld. To be clear, there's nothing actually wrong with seeking that. Topping from the bottom is a perfectly fine thing to do/seek. But the manner in which it is expressed or explained almost always leaves out the part about how the Dom is actually only there to fulfill her needs as opposed to his own. Additionally, the Dom she seeks is always "experienced" which makes the dating profile look more like a job listing.

Related to this is an additional frustration I have around American society, but can apply to many cultures, that stigmatizes sex work. When I read a woman's profile who seeks an experienced Dom with all sorts of specific capabilities, I can't help but think she should probably pay for that. But she won't because unlike getting gagged or spanked, she sees paying for sex as beyond the pale, or perhaps only for desperate incels.

As someone who's recently become more interested in a BDSM type of relationship, I find it rare to see a submissive woman centering a desire to serve, please, or be lead. Most often it's merely a roleplay she seeks, where she can let go of her usual (and often Type-A) self and perform something that if it wasn't a just a game or acting, she would find reprehensible.

Maybe there's a selection bias in my sample. Maybe the women on apps are more inclined to be assertive about their wants, and truly submissive types wouldn't put that out there?
Hey sternbuzz, lovely to see another new person here willing to post their thoughts. (Not looking for a partner, just glad I’m not the only new one here)

I agree with others that a lack of vocabulary may well be the issue for some. Women may want a top, not a Dom. They may want a service Dom or a soft Dom. They may want a driver and to be a passenger (I’m thrilled I’m not the only one who uses driver/passenger). It may help to ask them, and to clarify terms, politely.

I also strongly agree with other posters that subs do have wants they want met and that’s fine. It can go along with a drive to please and serve a Dom. Spelling out and listing their wants really saves you both time online when one can’t negotiate face to face, I imagine.

It might help if you ask women about limits, not just wants, and whether they are open to discussing other acts they didn’t list before possibly trying them. That’s if they didn’t list limits.

As others have said, and you understand, it is dangerous for women to seek partners. They have to be very choosy. If this is unfair to anyone it’s women. Men can generally walk away. We sometimes get raped or killed if we try to leave.

I urge men to crack down hard on the bad actors who ruin it for everyone. Women can’t do it alone. We would all benefit from more respect and safety for everyone, especially for women, trans folks, and anyone at greater risk.

Thank you for the respect you showed towards sex work. It saddens me how terribly it is still viewed by men and women.

Australia (or was it NZ) has male sex workers whose services are covered by medical insurance. They are similar to sexual surrogates in the US (women and men) but are treated better.
I'm pretty new to the Literotica world but have been interested in some areas of kink/fetish for years. I was mostly a lurker on Fetlife for awhile, and was an early adopter of Feeld back when hardly anybody used it. I consider myself someone who dabbles in this world; someone who's pretty open-minded and mostly taboo-free but I'm not an expert and I definitely shy away from using super specific labels to express my sexuality other than cishet. Some days I feel more submissive, others I feel more dominant. Most of my relationships and sexual experiences still remain pretty vanilla. But I like the self-expressive side of sex and the idea I can dive into society's sexual taboos in a safe and positive manner with like-minded people.

But I wanted to vent a bit about what I don't like about this world, and see if some of my frustrations resonate with anyone. I'm also open to being wrong, or maybe just misunderstanding some things. Perhaps I'll learn something from putting my thoughts out
Hey sternbuzz, lovely to see another new person here willing to post their thoughts. (Not looking for a partner, just glad I’m not the only new one here)

I agree with others that a lack of vocabulary may well be the issue for some. Women may want a top, not a Dom. They may want a service Dom or a soft Dom. They may want a driver and to be a passenger (I’m thrilled I’m not the only one who uses driver/passenger). It may help to ask them, and to clarify terms, politely.

I also strongly agree with other posters that subs do have wants they want met and that’s fine. It can go along with a drive to please and serve a Dom. Spelling out and listing their wants really saves you both time online when one can’t negotiate face to face, I imagine.

It might help if you ask women about limits, not just wants, and whether they are open to discussing other acts they didn’t list before possibly trying them. That’s if they didn’t list limits.

As others have said, and you understand, it is dangerous for women to seek partners. They have to be very choosy. If this is unfair to anyone it’s women. Men can generally walk away. We sometimes get raped or killed if we try to leave.

I urge men to crack down hard on the bad actors who ruin it for everyone. Women can’t do it alone. We would all benefit from more respect and safety for everyone, especially for women, trans folks, and anyone at greater risk.

Thank you for the respect you showed towards sex work. It saddens me how terribly it is still viewed by men and women.

Australia (or was it NZ) has male sex workers whose services are covered by medical insurance. They are similar to sexual surrogates in the US (women and men) but are treated better.

I am grateful that male sex workers for women exist. I am grateful that a few men who visit sex workers treat them like people, like they would any other service provider, with kindness and respect. So long as whore is a degrading term, I don’t think sex workers get respect. (I understand some use the word whore in non-deragatory ways)

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I wish you luck and hopefully joy in your search for play partners!
 
About wanting experienced Doms. I think that is more about wanting a higher probability of safety than about Olympic level flogging or shibari skills. An experienced Dom has probably earned women’s trust.

If you don’t have experience, you can still be trustworthy. Spell out explicitly the things that reassure us. Your observation here that we would find things reprehensible if it wasn’t play reassures me. You might emphasize that playing with power and pain is just that, play. That fantasy roles are not our real selves. Maybe you already do that, wonderful if you do. Might emphasize your understanding of informed consent, ongoing consent, checking, safe words. Aftercare for all participants is another biggie. Your openness to learning was reassuring to me. Willingness to hear feedback is reassuring.

I think confident willingness to highlight things that make us safe could make a man stand out. It really is a bowl of M&M for us and we have almost no way to tell which ones have cyanide and which ones are delicious.

Note, I am not on the apps but many of my friends tell me what it’s like. The same stuff I discuss here determines who I will engage with on LitE or anywhere online.

Note 2, many women feel hesitant to explicitly ask for safety because then we get dog piled with Not All Men and But I’m One of the Good Ones and that’s awful. So “experienced” feels like a safer way to say I want safety.

Thank you again for posting and I hope your search is fruitful.
 
Maybe I'm not a true enough submissive.
However seeing my dominant submit would probably decrease their power over me.
But I'm maybe not a "good" enough sub.
I want to submit, but I recently realized its only in very limited ways.
 
Maybe I'm not a true enough submissive.
However seeing my dominant submit would probably decrease their power over me.
But I'm maybe not a "good" enough sub.
I want to submit, but I recently realized its only in very limited ways.

Please don't talk yourself down like that. A few folks may act as though there is One True Definition Of Submission (TM) but that just limits others enjoyment more than it clarifies anything.

Everybody submits in limited ways, our limits are just different.

Please never feel a need to apologize for nor feel a need to explain your preferences. You are fine as you are!

Your views add to this discussion as much as anyone else's.
 
Maybe I'm not a true enough submissive.
However seeing my dominant submit would probably decrease their power over me.
But I'm maybe not a "good" enough sub.
I want to submit, but I recently realized its only in very limited ways.
Forget the label of what does or doesn’t qualify as being a sub or ‘good enough’, they’re words you should never use against yourself - if you feel good, and the person you’re with feels good, that’s all that matters
And everyone is different. There’s only one guy I’ll ever submit to, but I’ll submit completely for Him. But others enjoy submitting a bit to various people
Just enjoy the experience, and if you feel you trust your dominant enough to submit a bit more, maybe consider it; otherwise don’t feel pressured. A limited bit of submission can go a long way
 
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