Illinois Governor Arrested...

[jeninflorida]

Geese, first not all schools cost around $80,000. One can still attend a Florida state school and pay even with room and board around $40,000. The issue for most large schools comes from tenure.

Thanks, but I know the difference I’m just doing three things at once and rapid firing on blogs. What I like about so many people here is that he/she know that they are wrong and they pick on the little things when I post….fine…what ever

I've got news for you...going to a reputable four-year university already costs around $80K a year if you add up the costs of tuition, books, living expenses, throw in daycare, etc.

One added benefit is that after an education one knows the difference between "their" and "there," and the proper use of capital letters and punctuation.

 

[Stella_Omega]

for me I just don't understand how anyone can be a democrats...take from the rich and give to the poor. sure there should be help and as a society we should help the less...however, for years Democrats have supported welfare and what has that gotten us? how many people feel that welfare is a career choice? if people would stand up and say forget welfare and support education and job programs so that people can move off welfare...however, that will only loosen the ranks for democrats.

Gee, Jen, enlighten us.

how many people DO feel that welfare is a career choice, do you have numbers?

Tell you what, honey. If you want attention, why not just take your shirt off? At least your tits are real.

 

[Emperor_Nero]

Gee, Jen, enlighten us.

how many people DO feel that welfare is a career choice, do you have numbers?

Tell you what, honey. If you want attention, why not just take your shirt off? At least your tits are real.

Are you sure about that?

 

[Guest]

Are you sure about that?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Are you sure about that?

I often wonder if people like this aren't actually Andy Kaufmann's ghost!

 

[cloudy]

Geese, first not all schools cost around $80,000. One can still attend a Florida state school and pay even with room and board around $40,000. The issue for most large schools comes from tenure.

Thanks, but I know the difference I’m just doing three things at once and rapid firing on blogs. What I like about so many people here is that he/she know that they are wrong and they pick on the little things when I post….fine…what ever

Geese????

Stella: not Andy Kaufman. He was intelligent.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Geese????

Stella: not Andy Kaufman. He was intelligent.

Yeah, but he was well-known for inhabiting a role until his friends wouldn't talk to him any more... Dragging a joke into the ground.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Gee, Jen, enlighten us.

how many people DO feel that welfare is a career choice, do you have numbers?

Tell you what, honey. If you want attention, why not just take your shirt off? At least your tits are real.

I don't know if any figures ae available, literally, for what you want. They probably could be found through extensive research into census figures but, even there, you would have to read between the lines. Few, if any, persons would acknowledge that they have never held a job and look on welfare as a career, or a permanent source of income. However, when a girl gets knocked up at 15, and can't or won't name the father, and has more children until she is in her forties, and never gets married or has a job, you could call that making a career out of welfare. The notorious "welfare queen" was exaggerated, but such people do exist. Here are some links, but probably none of them will give many statistics:

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6296

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all&q="third+generation+welfare"&start=10&sa=N

The second link is actually to Google, and there are many hits there. Some of them are strictly vituperation, and should be ignored. I don't know how many include actual statistics, but you can probably find them if you look.

I note that Welfare Reform didn't become fact until the Reps. contolled Congress.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

Some truths about welfare

"One of the most popular myths is that welfare is a serious drag on the economy. Actually, it barely registers on the radar screen. The most vilified form of welfare is Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), which allegedly gives poor mothers a financial incentive to avoid work and have babies. Together, AFDC and Food Stamps are by far the largest items of the welfare budget. Yet in 1992, AFDC formed only 1 percent of the combined state and federal budgets. Food stamps also took up 1 percent.1 If you expand the definition of "welfare" to include all one-way transfers of benefits (such as student grants, school lunches and pensions for needy veterans), then welfare takes up only 12 percent of the combined budgets.2"

"Another myth is who gets welfare. Mention the word "welfare" and most people automatically think of the poor. But the fact is that corporations and the rich receive far more welfare than the poor. Welfare for the poor (AFDC and Food Stamps) totaled $50 billion in 1992, but welfare for corporations (pork-barrel projects, business subsidies and tax breaks) are estimated to run from $85 billion to $800 billion, depending on which think tank you listen to. (More) Brian Kelly, a Washington journalist who has written a book on corporate pork, discloses that pork alone costs taxpayers between $20 to $100 billion a year.3 By itself, the $500 billion dollar Savings & Loan bailout would have funded 10 years of AFDC and Food Stamps. There is simply no question who receives the most welfare from government."

 

[sr71plt]

I thought the Bush administration had pretty much closed out welfare services and decided the churches could cover it out of the goodness of their hearts.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

I thought the Bush administration had pretty much closed out welfare services and decided the churches could cover it out of the goodness of their hearts.

No, that was the Clinton Administration that closed out welfare services. Remember Bill and Sistah Soljah?

 

[sr71plt]

Remember Bill and Sistah Soljah?

Umm, no. But I was out of the country most of that time. Who's Sistah Soljah?

And how could a Democrat close out welfare? Aren't they all communists?

 

[Boxlicker101]

No, that was the Clinton Administration that closed out welfare services. Remember Bill and Sistah Soljah?

Actually, it was more the Republican congress that did it. Clinton did sign off on the laws, but he probably would never have requested them on his own. Now, I wonder if Obama will try to restore what was removed in the 90's.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Some truths about welfare

"One of the most popular myths is that welfare is a serious drag on the economy. Actually, it barely registers on the radar screen. The most vilified form of welfare is Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), which allegedly gives poor mothers a financial incentive to avoid work and have babies. Together, AFDC and Food Stamps are by far the largest items of the welfare budget. Yet in 1992, AFDC formed only 1 percent of the combined state and federal budgets. Food stamps also took up 1 percent.1 If you expand the definition of "welfare" to include all one-way transfers of benefits (such as student grants, school lunches and pensions for needy veterans), then welfare takes up only 12 percent of the combined budgets.2"

"Another myth is who gets welfare. Mention the word "welfare" and most people automatically think of the poor. But the fact is that corporations and the rich receive far more welfare than the poor. Welfare for the poor (AFDC and Food Stamps) totaled $50 billion in 1992, but welfare for corporations (pork-barrel projects, business subsidies and tax breaks) are estimated to run from $85 billion to $800 billion, depending on which think tank you listen to. (More) Brian Kelly, a Washington journalist who has written a book on corporate pork, discloses that pork alone costs taxpayers between $20 to $100 billion a year.3 By itself, the $500 billion dollar Savings & Loan bailout would have funded 10 years of AFDC and Food Stamps. There is simply no question who receives the most welfare from government."

I think most of us here are in agreement with you. I complain about welfare, but I complain just as much about pork.

At the same time, I believe your percentages are current, and that they were higher in the 80's and 90's.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Umm, no. But I was out of the country most of that time. Who's Sistah Soljah?

And how could a Democrat close out welfare? Aren't they all communists?

Hard as it may be to believe, Clinton actually led the drive to turn Welfare into Workfare. Made a lot of people unhappy and the rapper Sistah Soljah tried to call him out on it. He chewed her ass at a NAACP gathering, no less. Needless to say, the GOP congress was bang along side him until they figured out that he was stealing their issues. That's when they got really mad at him.

Was a good politican, old Willie, just too damne reckless in personal life.

 

[sr71plt]

Hard as it may be to believe, Clinton actually led the drive to turn Welfare into Workfare. Made a lot of people unhappy and the rapper Sistah Soljah tried to call him out on it. He chewed her ass at a NAACP gathering, no less. Needless to say, the GOP congress was bang along side him until they figured out that he was stealing their issues. That's when they got really mad at him.

Was a good politican, old Willie, just too damne reckless in personal life.

Ah, so. Well, I'll be glad when poverty becomes an issue of society again and not just for churches to deal with.

 

[jeninflorida]

my only issue with welfare to workfare...is that there is not a full safetynet. one has what, 2 years to find a job and then they are off welfare for good? I'm sure that this program was 86, just like Wisc was

Hard as it may be to believe, Clinton actually led the drive to turn Welfare into Workfare. Made a lot of people unhappy and the rapper Sistah Soljah tried to call him out on it. He chewed her ass at a NAACP gathering, no less. Needless to say, the GOP congress was bang along side him until they figured out that he was stealing their issues. That's when they got really mad at him.

Was a good politican, old Willie, just too damne reckless in personal life.

 

[jeninflorida]

I feel so safe knowing that an “internal” investigation relived that no one from obama’s team talked with the gov….geeze, to me that sounds like Enron’s accounts talking about an internal investigation finding nothing wrong with the books, or a bush spokes person saying that the economy is in great shape.

Illinois Governor Arrested on Corruption Charges

Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich and his chief of staff were arrested in Chicago Tuesday on two counts each of corruption charges relating to trying to sell President-elect Barack Obama's vacated Senate seat.

the rest of the story.

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Looks like I'm gettin' out of here just in time.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeb_Carter
Illinois Governor Arrested on Corruption Charges

Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich and his chief of staff were arrested in Chicago Tuesday on two counts each of corruption charges relating to trying to sell President-elect Barack Obama's vacated Senate seat.

the rest of the story.

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Looks like I'm gettin' out of here just in time.

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I feel so safe knowing that an “internal” investigation relived that no one from obama’s team talked with the gov….geeze, to me that sounds like Enron’s accounts talking about an internal investigation finding nothing wrong with the books, or a bush spokes person saying that the economy is in great shape.

I have also read something to the effect that Blago has said that all Obama offered was gratitude. If that is the case, there must have been some discussion between Obama's people and the gov. By no means do I believe that anybody, particularly Obama, offered a bribe, but I also don't believe their blanket denial.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I have also read something to the effect that Blago has said that all Obama offered was gratitude. If that is the case, there must have been some discussion between Obama's people and the gov. By no means do I believe that anybody, particularly Obama, offered a bribe, but I also don't believe their blanket denial.

Phone rings; "Hey Barak, it's Blag, whaddaya got for me?"

"Not much, you're the worst news a president-elect could ever want to hear from, never call me again!"
Buzzzz.....

 

[midwestyankee]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeb_Carter
Illinois Governor Arrested on Corruption Charges

Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich and his chief of staff were arrested in Chicago Tuesday on two counts each of corruption charges relating to trying to sell President-elect Barack Obama's vacated Senate seat.

the rest of the story.

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Looks like I'm gettin' out of here just in time.

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I have also read something to the effect that Blago has said that all Obama offered was gratitude. If that is the case, there must have been some discussion between Obama's people and the gov. By no means do I believe that anybody, particularly Obama, offered a bribe, but I also don't believe their blanket denial.

It's still not entirely clear why Blago made that statement about not getting anything from Team Obama but "appreciation," but the U. S. Attorney's office has said repeatedly that it has found no unlawful conduct in the matter from anyone on Obama's staff.

Still, if you must speculate, at least do so from facts: Chicago Tribune.

 

[Liar]

I feel so safe knowing that an “internal” investigation relived that no one from obama’s team talked with the gov….geeze, to me that sounds like Enron’s accounts talking about an internal investigation finding nothing wrong with the books, or a bush spokes person saying that the economy is in great shape.

I smell sarcasm.

So what would you want them to do? What could they so at this point in time to make you feel safe? Do tell.

 

[Guest]

It's still not entirely clear why Blago made that statement about not getting anything from Team Obama but "appreciation," but the U. S. Attorney's office has said repeatedly that it has found no unlawful conduct in the matter from anyone on Obama's staff.

Still, if you must speculate, at least do so from facts: Chicago Tribune.

Thank you, Sir Yankee.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeb_Carter
Illinois Governor Arrested on Corruption Charges

Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich and his chief of staff were arrested in Chicago Tuesday on two counts each of corruption charges relating to trying to sell President-elect Barack Obama's vacated Senate seat.

the rest of the story.
Looks like I'm gettin' out of here just in time.
I have also read something to the effect that Blago has said that all Obama offered was gratitude. If that is the case, there must have been some discussion between Obama's people and the gov. By no means do I believe that anybody, particularly Obama, offered a bribe, but I also don't believe their blanket denial.

It's still not entirely clear why Blago made that statement about not getting anything from Team Obama but "appreciation," but the U. S. Attorney's office has said repeatedly that it has found no unlawful conduct in the matter from anyone on Obama's staff.

Still, if you must speculate, at least do so from facts: Chicago Tribune.

Since it was so obvious there had been contact between Blago and a rep. of Obama, I didn't bother looking up any details. It turns out now that I was correct. Rahm Emanuel, the future chief of staff did discuss the senatorial appointment with Blago, which was perfectly proper. I don't know why the Obama camp would deny that any contact had taken place, when some clearly had. Not improper contact, but a conversation or discussion of some kind.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Here is something I just saw that relartes to what the subject has become, I don't necessarily agree with the opinion being presented; I just want to toss it out.

I have to wonder about Valerie Jarrett. It would seem to me that lobbying for her appointment to the Senate is rank cronyism, certainly not "Change we can believe in."

I can say the same thing about the possible appointment of Caroline Kennedy.