FLDS compound

[breakwall]

eh. semantics. but I get what you're saying.

I think you're concluding that I'm 'lumping' the FLDS in with the Mormon Church. I'm not, honestly.
There are five major branches or offshoots of the LDS church and none of them are in any way sanctioned or recognized as legitimate by the Mormon church.

 

[isthisdesire]

I think you're concluding that I'm 'lumping' the FLDS in with the Mormon Church. I'm not, honestly.
There are five major branches or offshoots of the LDS church and none of them are in any way sanctioned or recognized as legitimate by the Mormon church.

as I said, I get it.

 

[breakwall]

Yes, it is. And my opinion is that the Mormon Church's "official statement" on any matter is meaningless. (Unless you believe things like Hitler really being Mormon, thanks to a posthumous baptism. That's another one of their "official statements".)

Well, nobody said the Mormons weren't an interesting bunch. However, I've only seen evidence of groups like FLDS and the Bountiful Sect actually practicing polygamy. To my knowledge (and I may be wrong) I haven't heard of a documented case of a polygamous marriage that involved a Mormon 'member in good standing'.
So, either it's fuel for the fires of anti-Mormonism or it's hidden extremely well.

 

[breakwall]

as I said, I get it.

I try to make sure all my fine points are laboured into dullness.

 

[isthisdesire]

I try to make sure all my fine points are laboured into dullness.

I appreciate it.

 

[HenryFastpants]

Prostitution is illegal in Las Vegas. Get it straight, child.

Now I see why the cade-cadre thinks you're an idiot.

 

[isthisdesire]

Now I see why the cade-cadre thinks you're an idiot.

actually, he's right. I didn't know. but apparently RoryN is right about at least one thing.

 

[HenryFastpants]

actually, he's right. I didn't know. but apparently RoryN is right about at least one thing.

I quoted one posting of his, but my opinion was based on the many idiotic posts I've read from him in the past few days.

 

[isthisdesire]

I quoted one posting of his, but my opinion was based on the many idiotic posts I've read from him in the past few days.

ah, that makes sense.

 

[isthisdesire]

I try to make sure all my fine points are laboured into dullness.

hey, why's your team called the Habs?

 

[smartandsexy]

Rory's right in that it is a cornerstone of the doctrine. Yes, the church condemns having two concurrent wives in this life. However, the LDS church also still teaches that polygamy will be practised in the celestial kingdom. Within the LDS church a man can still be sealed to more than one woman 'for time and all eternity'.

 

[isthisdesire]

Rory's right in that it is a cornerstone of the doctrine. Yes, the church condemns having two concurrent wives in this life. However, the LDS church also still teaches that polygamy will be practised in the celestial kingdom. Within the LDS church a man can still be sealed to more than one woman 'for time and all eternity'.

it is not a cornerstone.
I haven't ever heard about the rest of what you said, but even if it is true, it's not a cornerstone.

 

[RoryN]

Now I see why the cade-cadre thinks you're an idiot.

So, of all the statements of mine you think are stupid, you highlight one that's clearly factual. Way to go, swifty.

Rory's right in that it is a cornerstone of the doctrine. Yes, the church condemns having two concurrent wives in this life. However, the LDS church also still teaches that polygamy will be practised in the celestial kingdom. Within the LDS church a man can still be sealed to more than one woman 'for time and all eternity'.

Thanks for the input, but don't bother: there's folks here in denial. You'll just get refuted.

 

[smartandsexy]

it is not a cornerstone.
I haven't ever heard about the rest of what you said, but even if it is true, it's not a cornerstone.

Well we could argue about what constitutes a cornerstone - I don't see any sense in debating the relative importance. The fact is, the doctrine remains in place (Doctrine & Covenants 132). It is a common practice for a man to be sealed to another woman after his first wife has died (and theoretically to an unlimited number of women as long as each one dies before the subsequent marriage, so that polygamy doesn't occur in this life). Each of those sealings is valid for time and all eternity.

Brigham Young himself said

The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy. Others attain unto a glory and may even be permitted to come into the presence of the Father and the Son; but they cannot reign as kings in glory, because they had blessings offered unto them, and they refused to accept them.

(Journal of Discourses 11:269)

To be completely accurate and fair, the Journal of Discourses is not considered canonical. But D&C most certainly is.

 

[RoryN]

Well we could argue about what constitutes a cornerstone - I don't see any sense in debating the relative importance. The fact is, the doctrine remains in place (Doctrine & Covenants 132). It is a common practice for a man to be sealed to another woman after his first wife has died (and theoretically to an unlimited number of women as long as each one dies before the subsequent marriage, so that polygamy doesn't occur in this life). Each of those sealings is valid for time and all eternity.

Brigham Young himself said

(Journal of Discourses 11:269)

To be completely accurate and fair, the Journal of Discourses is not considered canonical. But D&C most certainly is.

I really appreciate your patience with explaining this to everyone.

It's patience that I ran out of a long time ago.

 

[smartandsexy]

I really appreciate your patience with explaining this to everyone.

It's patience that I ran out of a long time ago.

No worries. I've developed a bit of a morbid fascination for the whole mormon rigmarole in the last year or so.

 

[Weird Harold]

um, prostitution is legal in Nevada. get it straight, kiddo.

but NOT in Clark County/Las Vegas -- protistutionis legal or illegal on a county by county basis and Las Vegas is in one of the counties that prohibits prostistution. FWIW, Reno is in Washoe County which also prohibits prostitution.

 

[Ham Murabi]

I'm back with my original question: Did the state overstep?
Sure looks like it to me.
And it sure looks like the judge is playing along.
Too bad the anonymous "16-year-old girl" who called didn't say there were a bunch of assault rifles in the compound.

 

[RoryN]

*looks for isthisdesire*

Goodness me, it got quiet in here all of a sudden...

 

[renard_ruse]

I haven't followed this story very closely so I haven't felt informed enough to comment. I hope this wasn't another case where the government targeted a "discrete and insular" minority group for destruction (like Waco).

I am always comforted by the thought that there are cults and various types of religious, social, and philosophical sects living their own way on their own property in our country. The idea that if I finally get too fed up with life in "mainstream" America (the great cesspool of idiocy, hypocrisy, and materialism) I could pick such a community to join and live a different kind of life, or better yet found an alternative community myself based on any sorts of values that I want provided I don't harm people or animals. That is comforting to me.

We are constantly preached to by the ruling class and their media mouthpieces on the "virtue" of "diversity" yet when there is real diversity such as a cult they seem to want it destroyed for not conforming to the societal "norm."

 

[richard_daily]

I'm back with my original question: Did the state overstep?
Sure looks like it to me.
And it sure looks like the judge is playing along.
Too bad the anonymous "16-year-old girl" who called didn't say there were a bunch of assault rifles in the compound.

So "at best" stopping 50+ year old men from coercing 14 year old girls into being their wives and impregnating them is "overstepping"?

I wonder if you have any young daughters... and if you'd let them date 50 year olds.

 

[Sean]

There was a young woman on BBC radio last week that had escaped from this mob. She told stories about how, after her "marriage", her husband beat the shit out of her and repeatedly raped her. She was thirteen at the time.
I don't think the authorities overstepped by one fucking millimetre.

 

[Lovelynice]

So "at best" stopping 50+ year old men from coercing 14 year old girls into being their wives and impregnating them is "overstepping"?

I wonder if you have any young daughters... and if you'd let them date 50 year olds.

Evidence that this was happening at the FLDS compound= NONE.

A fake "16yo" girl who was some angry nutter with a chip on her shoulder and chose to tell lies does not make a case.

It's certainly not good enough to take away hundreds of children from their parents.

Get a life.







.

 

[Lovelynice]

There was a young woman on BBC radio last week that had escaped from this mob. She told stories about how, after her "marriage", her husband beat the shit out of her and repeatedly raped her. She was thirteen at the time.
I don't think the authorities overstepped by one fucking millimetre.

Wasn't she from "Bountiful"? That's a different group isn't it?




.

 

[renard_ruse]

Evidence that this was happening at the FLDS compound= NONE.

I've only read a couple articles about this group, but it sounded a bit like the stories of coercion could be exaggerated. I don't know. I only know that there has been a pattern in the past of the government targeting cults, communes, and alternative communities for destruction and using trumped up or exaggerated charges to justify it. That is always a cause for concern and suspicion.